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What is this hatred agaisnt the U.S., and when did it begin?

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posted on Nov, 11 2004 @ 08:57 AM
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To go off the topic a little.......how do you believe the lib-dems will go? And to go to the other extreme, how much support do you think the BNP will receive?




posted on Nov, 11 2004 @ 09:02 AM
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I missed your comment about the Axis of Evil and disagree entirely.

The Axis of Evil (stupid name, I suppose) refers to countries who avow (openly or clandestinely) the destruction of "the West".

The "International Community" is not - despite vicious rumors to the contrary - engaged in any conspiracy to destroy any country, religion, or group of people.

The war in Iraq was a mistake (I believe), but it wasn't part of a conspiracy.



posted on Nov, 11 2004 @ 09:07 AM
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Guess we're crossing posts!

I'm not expert on British politics, but it seems like the Libs are still not quite a true opposition. Their leader seems like a nice bloke you might meet down at the pub, but not a real political force. (They're doing well at the local level, though...)

The BNP is of course beneath contempt. The way to derail them is to find a way to properly (fairly, humanely) control immigration.

If I was eligible to vote here I'd seriously consider the Greens...



posted on Nov, 11 2004 @ 09:12 AM
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Apart from NK, Iran and Syria do not call for the destruction of the West, they call for the destruction of Western imperialism in the Mid-East.



posted on Nov, 11 2004 @ 09:41 AM
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I'd guess they started hating you after the second world war, when your foreign policy started going to crap. The middle east really appreciated being used as pawns in your shadow war with the reds, as I suppose did most of southeast asia. Strange, that. Guess where extreme Islam crops up most...

After that, the people you carpet bombed probably didn't like you, nor would their relatives.

Or maybe it's the 'throw a tantrum' style economics you practice with other nations, such as Canada. Man, we sure enjoyed American governments ruining our cattle industry, our softwood lumber industry, and now certain states are chipping away at the pork industry in Canada. Thanks, America!

I don't hate the American people. I hate the American people so blinded by patriotism that they heartedly support the above listed actions. That, and I hate Albertans.

DE



posted on Nov, 11 2004 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by vibetic
If world hates(!) America, show me some polls ? research papers ? something ? anything at all ? to back it up.

I live in 'the world' and I don't know anyone who hates america. Yes some dislike some american policies but they often have good reasons (even half of the americans dislike some american policies). Probably 1% or less of the world population hates americans or america as a whole.

US doesn't get help because people perceive it doesn't need help, and if someone would send aid package to US then some american politicians would flame the sender to hell and call it a political maneuver trying to humiliate US.

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I was raised in Spain in the 80s and i remember the hatred, it was much more than just disliking of Americans, the spaniard youth couldn't say "Americans" without spouting some kind of offensive statement.

BTW, if you want to find more about the hatred towards the U.S. just check the forums, and you will find the evidence sure enough.

If we were offered some help when there are disasters in the U.S. i am pretty sure that we will accept the help.....but noone ever even offered to help us when we were in need, not even now....



posted on Nov, 11 2004 @ 09:16 PM
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i think the hatred started when the U.S.S.R. crumbled.
without anyone to rival americas position in the world, or true evil to contrast it, the hatred started to brew. America suddenly became the subject of international disaproval. With the starting of the EU the fire is being fanned and the hatred increases.

i agree i think most people dont realize just how good america really is, all they talk about are the shortcomings.

but sometimes people dont relize how good something is till its gone, and i think america as we know it may be leaving soon. good luck to the world with whatever it comes up with next.



posted on Nov, 11 2004 @ 09:31 PM
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I think you all, or yall to have a dig at the cultural elitism from the French as somebody touched upon earlier, are missing the point entirely.
I think certain factions of the world DO truly hate America: Islamic fundamentalists, Middle Eastern conspirators etc. The majority of this so call hate is not hate at all. It is a grand dislike for what most of the world outside the USA perceives to the American Attitude. Yes this grew rapidly in Europe since the end of the cold war. Seeing a nation as a sole superpower is very unnerving to many westerners. They believed that the American government (not people) would abuse this power and act as some sort of World Police, stamping their ideology through the world by force. This now seems to be happening in most western peoples eyes. Imperialism is always wrong, and inevitably will always crash and burn. To ask why people hate America would take several servers worth of space to truly explain and debate.
In Europe right now people are starting to respect the American people a lot more since the election, knowing that at least half of US voters think along the same lines as they do. So times are a changing.
So the question is not why do people hate America but, why do people hate the IDEA of America.



posted on Nov, 11 2004 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by The Teller
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In Europe right now people are starting to respect the American people a lot more since the election, knowing that at least half of US voters think along the same lines as they do. So times are a changing.
So the question is not why do people hate America but, why do people hate the IDEA of America.


I think you missed the point of this thread....let me put it like this. The hatred towards the U.S. has been going on for a long time as you can see by the content of the broadcast i put on my original thread.

I see many nations in the world going through a transition that has been on the works for a long time....and many people in Europe want the U.S. to be part of this transition towards.....socialism.... The response of the U.S., or at least of more than half of the population of the U.S, against this transition is what is fueling this hatred.

The world doesn't want the U.S. to be a world power...many nations in the U.N, and many people in the world, want to control the U.S.... Their inability to do so is what is fueling this hatred imo....



posted on Nov, 11 2004 @ 09:51 PM
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"many nations in the U.N, and many people in the world, want to control the U.S.... Their inability to do so is what is fueling this hatred imo.... "

that was a perfect description, ive been trying to figure that out for some time. it seemed to me after this election, the rest of the world cared more about the results then we did, and we cared alot, having the highest turnout since the 60's



posted on Nov, 11 2004 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase

They were talking about war mongering Americans because of the war in Vietnam at the time of this article.

They're talking about war-mongering Americans now because of the Iraq war.

They'll be talking about war-mongering Americans 10 years from now as the next US led war is taking place.

The US has done much good throughout the years but that is overshadowed by the wars that America fights and the nations that they intervene in overtly or covertly.

This hate is directed at 'America' the government, not 'Americans' the people, as some have already pointed out.


I see...so the U.S. is the only one who has waged wars in the world?.... i guess France has nothing to do right now with what is happening in the Ivory Coast...or what happened in the 90s with Rwanda.... or even before that during their colonizing days....

Many countries have done even worse things that overshadow anything that the U.S. has done.... yet there is no voice raised against what other countries have been doing.

BTW, if you actually read the broadcast i quoted in the original post you will see that the hatred was not only because of Vietnam, even before that and after, there was hatred against the U.S....



posted on Nov, 11 2004 @ 10:38 PM
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It's simple. Leftists hate America. The farther left you go, the more intense the hatred becomes.

Hence why a lot of Europe hates us - a lot of Europe *cough FRANCE cough* is going farther and farther left.

Of course, there is also the extreme right that hates America (in the form of Islamic terrorists) but that is more based on religion then politics.

As far as I am concerned, screw those who dislike us or our government. The fact is we AS A COUNTRY - AND THAT INCLUDES OUR GOVERNMENT - do more good then harm. In the ME we are cleaning up a haven for destructive beliefs that has existed for many times the years that the US has. Maybe if ANY OTHER COUNTRY GOT OFF THEIR WORTHLESS ASSES IN THE LAST, OH, 1000 YEARS OR SO WE WOULDN"T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.

But what else is new? France and Europe in general can't stand us - no matter what we do. And in 100 years when the whole world is better off for it they will be in our debt, just like now.

I am bloody sick of hearing about how everyone hates our government - if anyone else would deal with all the problems in the world we would not have to. All those leftists hating America throughout the cold war seem to forget it was America working to protect every free nation in the world against communism.

Everyone seems to forget that in Vietnam, all we were doing was PROTECTING OUR ALLY! Isn't that what you are supposed to do? How is that different then the Korean War or WWII? IT'S NOT!

So unless I see any other country take on the worlds problems at the scope the US has, I will give a collective # YOU to any nation or people that DARE criticise the US.



posted on Nov, 11 2004 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by Volkgeister
"International community"= nations that bow to US hegemony
"Axis of Evil" + "rogue states"= nations outside US hegemony


This sounds like a workable arrangement to me.



posted on Nov, 11 2004 @ 11:08 PM
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I think you missed the point of this thread....let me put it like this. The hatred towards the U.S. has been going on for a long time as you can see by the content of the broadcast i put on my original thread.


No actually I think YOU missed the point of My post. I feel as a person from outside the US and travelling throughout many European countries that you, as a state, have a much distorted idea about what the rest of the world think of you. It seems that since Bush came along in particular, that America has developed a siege mentality. You are being led to believe that the rest of the world hates you. This ethos is being fed and promoted by your own government. It is a way of making it seem like a US and THEM situation. Of course this makes it a whole lot easier to invade countries, to have an aggressive foreign policy and fight a very strange "war" on "terrorism".
If you are made to feel isolated you will be stronger to the cause. If you are made to feel threatened you will endorse greater and more tenuous wars.
Inside America you feel the world hates you. Outside America people think, why do they think we hate them so much?
True decades of mistrust have built up a deep seated resentment from many a nation, but history will show that the USA created a Frankensteins Monster of itself to scare its people into buying the distorted policies it endorsed throughout the world.



posted on Nov, 12 2004 @ 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
I am so tired of hearing people blame the U.S for everything that is happening in the world...

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And Ive grown quite tired if these b*lls**t statements as well.
We're not children here, so let's not be naive about the US and its foreign policy since the begining.

Uh oh, looks like class is in session, let's start:

The US began its existence by exterminating 90% of the population living on it's land. Thats 90% Muaddib. The SINGLE greatest instance of genocide in the history of the world...ever! Far larger in scope than what the NAzi's accomplished. They then "relocated" the rest of the natives to some of the worst land in the country...a popluation that might never recover, muadibb! Or to quote Chris Rock, "when's the last time you saw two indians in a room together!". Think about it...really...think about it.
Then we proceeded to indulge in 400 years of a slave-labor economy. Thats 400 years, my friend! Think about that too.
Women in this country didn't get the right to vote until 80 years ago. S**t, we didn't even legalize civil rights until the 1960's! Thats 40 years ago!

Since then we've invaded Mexico, tried Canada..twice. Engaged in terrorist acts in Nicaragua (for which we were found guilty in the world court), Honduras, El Salvador, Chile, Argentina, Panama, Haiti, Cuba and the Phililpines. We have supported a dictator in East Timor that massacred 300,000 people in the 1970's. He got his money and weapons from the US as we blocked UN efforts to halt the killings. 300,000 people Muadibb..ever heard of it? Probably not if you live in the US..nice and insulated.
We support the Saud family that violently suppresses its population so our companies can get good oil prices.
We give 10 BILLION dollars a year to Isreal, whose actions, are almost universally condemd by the world community.
We support dictators in Africa.
We helped overthrow the Shah of Iran.
We setup Saddam and armed him with WMD to use against the Iranians and his own people and then turned our backs on the resistance that tried to overthrow him after the first Gulf War.
There was also that little thing we did to the Vietnamese for 13 years. I think 3 MILLION people were killed...and for what? Our prestige? So they couldn't have the form their government of choice?

How about Columbia, Muadibb? Know anything about that? Know that outside of Isreal they receive that largest amount of money from the US? Did you know that?
Did you know that from 1997 to 2003, when they were getting the largest amount they were one of the worst violaters of human rights in the world? Did you know that? Didn't hear it on FOX news eh? Weird. Do you know why they get so much money? Do you know its to support a brutal dictatorship that makes sure its resources and cheap labor stays available to American companies? Did you know that?
Do you know what the world thinks of our financial support of Turkey...do you know what the Italians think of the way our CIA made sure that no social parties took hold in the government after the second world war?
Do you know what the world thinks about our "invasion" of Iraq? Do you think they might think that its only in the best service of American Corporations...and that only lip-service is paid to democracy? Strange...I wonder why they would think that? Do you think its because we overthrough the "democratically" elected president of Chile in 73? Do you think its because turned our back on Castro in the 50's, when he was leading movement OF THE PEOPLE! You know that thing we're ALL ABOUT!

Did you know that not everybody see America as the "shining light" of the world? Did you know that some places even think that America's actions are hypocritical? OH MY GOSH!!! NO!!! But we're so good!!! It can't be!!
Don' they know Jesus loves us? God Blesses US??!!!

Did you know that you can learn these things and many more by picking up a ****ing book, muadibb? Do you think its time for, "the sleeper to awaked?"


Can we drop the third grade rhetoric and really talk about how things are in the real world now? Is it adult time yet?


Give me a ****ing break!



There is no enemy anywhere - Lao Tse



posted on Nov, 12 2004 @ 04:44 AM
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Hi everyone. good post by voice of doom. I think that the aceptance of the genocide of the native americans, estimated as 20 million + in what is the now the US, by the general populace would go along way to destroying the myth of America. Its hard to say you are whiter than white when you admit your nation was founded on the back of one of the largest acts of genocide in recorded history. On post there is an excellent book which i recommend no matter your political stance, although it is written by leftists I don't think it can be seen as political propaganda and only as a painful but truthful analysis of the world veiw of the States. Book called funnily enough "Why do people hate America" by Ziaauddin Sardar and Merryl Wyn Davis. Another excellent although very large book is Alistair Cooke's America. It is an excellent history of America written at a time b4 political correctness ruined the UK. My own veiws are that all the distasteful things that the US did during the cold war were to some extent excusable from a private capatilist point of veiw because of the greater battle of ideologies between private and state capatilism(communism). I know I would not have liked to lived under soviet domination. However since the end of the cold war rather than trying to truly help the world they have dominated it for the corporations through US dominance of World Bank & IMF in the hope that a secondery aspect of this domination is that thirdworld countries will emerge from poverty. This has been a con that has left much of the third world worse off. World Bank loans are provided to often corrupt leaderships on the condition that said country opens its economy to unrestrained western imports which only helps the ruling class of said country and western corporations. This I belive is the reason for hatred of the US. The third world hates you because you are the face of the cause of thier poverty and Europeans wrongly dispair at you for allowing this to happen when European governments and corporations are equally responsible. I belive the majority of Europeans find it easier to hate the US than to accept thier own government/corporate leadership is doing the same. Just as most americans can't see thier leadership are capable of the most heinous crimes.



posted on Nov, 12 2004 @ 04:53 AM
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Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by vibetic
If world hates(!) America, show me some polls ? research papers ? something ? anything at all ? to back it up.

I live in 'the world' and I don't know anyone who hates america. Yes some dislike some american policies but they often have good reasons (even half of the americans dislike some american policies). Probably 1% or less of the world population hates americans or america as a whole.

US doesn't get help because people perceive it doesn't need help, and if someone would send aid package to US then some american politicians would flame the sender to hell and call it a political maneuver trying to humiliate US.

........


I was raised in Spain in the 80s and i remember the hatred, it was much more than just disliking of Americans, the spaniard youth couldn't say "Americans" without spouting some kind of offensive statement.

BTW, if you want to find more about the hatred towards the U.S. just check the forums, and you will find the evidence sure enough.

If we were offered some help when there are disasters in the U.S. i am pretty sure that we will accept the help.....but noone ever even offered to help us when we were in need, not even now....


Australia, Britain, Poland, Canada (in Afghanistan), Japan....



posted on Nov, 12 2004 @ 05:18 AM
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Hell, Canada helps all the time. We helped with the hurricanes this year, we took in your citizens when 9/11 was happening, and we've been the prime peacekeeping force in Afghanistan for a good while now.

How did America thank us? legistlation attacking our economy and public talking of smack.

DE



posted on Nov, 12 2004 @ 06:53 AM
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history will give ya the answer to some of this feeling.remeber it goes back farther than our own generation of choices flukemol........



posted on Nov, 12 2004 @ 08:10 AM
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I dont hate America or USA people.

That would be stupid and silly.

Come on.

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Regarding that first post.

Puting the man on the moon.

Come one, ofcourse that USA made it, but not 100% alone, it was the GERMAN (mostly but there was other europ people) "brain" who did first basic on rockets and etc.

landing on the moon is not 100% USA product. Come one.

Also, if ONLY landing on the moon was not political issue, but pure sience, that would be great!

But we all knows that if that was not a political issue - maybe even today we would not be on moon.

So again, USA did not go to MOON cause they was interested in pure sience, it was a 99% political issue (nothing strange ofcourse).

I.



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