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Originally posted by Azeari of the Radiant Eye
On the other side of the coin, we've made many serious errors over the years on the foreign policy front.
Yeah, a few. I'll do my best to scour my brain to list a few. Plan columbia, nafta, WTO, iraq (both wars), giving funding to terrorist such as al queda, still giving funding to CIA listed terrorist, supporting rogue nations such as iraq, pulling out of kyoto, pulling out of the land mine ban treaty, exporting pestisides to poor countries, pulling off a coop in democratic countries such as venzuela and panama and then putting in our own dictator such as Penoche who slaughters thousands of people, testing nukes in native american's back yards, dumping toxic waste on reservations, using up 75% of the worlds resources, defecting in our treaties with north korea, the internment of japanese americans, AND always taking isreal's side. Most of these have mulitple sub categories, but i won't go into those.
I think most of these i mention happened in the last half century, let alone the genocide of enslavement.
I suppose one possible reason why no one seems to help us in times of need is that we're perceived as not needing help; and, truth is, we probably don't. I have no facts to back this up, but would imagine that we already have the best emergency services in the world, with the best gear and the best training and plenty of funding.
Actually i think we are around number 17 or so. I know that in california we where too cheap to pass a prop that would cost each californian at most six dollars per year to keep emergency rooms open, and it was voted down. My mom is an emergency room nurse, so this is something i keep close tabs on. I beleive cuba is way above us in healt care service. I know that in california that one trama center is being closed down every other month, and this is epidemic accross the united states. It is also not due to trials who's cost are less than 1 percent.
As for haterd of Americans: depends on your definition of hatred. I've spent the last 21 years living outside the US, and have come across a fair number of people who "hate" us, but (so far, luckily!) it's been a pretty mild form of "hatred", usually involving dislike for the degree of influence we have on the rest of the world (Rome being "ruined" by McDonalds, American phrases "polluting" the French language, etc).
Some hate us because we have more "stuff" than them.
The ones we have to worry about, though, are the ones who've been taught - very thoroughly and from a very early age - to really hate us. And who really do believe that if they die killing some of us they'll to straight to heaven and be met by 70 virgins. (And incredibly stupid concept, I know, but there's no shortage of stupidity in the world.) On a more practical level, the martyr knows his family will be well provided for after he blows himself to smithereens.
Actually, very few beleive that, but they do have some serous grevences when they see thier family members blown away in an illegal war. When GB the first asked them to rise up against saddam in the first place, we didn't help them. They felt betrayed, and now when we have killed 100,000 of them in this war as well as millions of iraqis in sanctions, you think they are the crazy ones.
Is it crazy to fight against those you view to be your oppressors, especially when they don't give you a reason to believe the opposite.
I hate it when people say they hate it when people say the US is at fault. Usually when people fault the united states, it is because it is the united state's fault. To denigh the mistakes or intentional transgressions against humanity by the united states is to not take responcibility for you actions. Why would you not want to take responcibility? All you conservatives who don't look at the negative, take some responcibility. Or are you affraid of public scrutiny?
Take responcibility for your actions.
Originally posted by jrsdls
July 4, 1776 is when the world begin to hate America. Ever since we have been a nation, the world has not had us on their favorites list. The only time we are liked is when we can do something for them.
[edit on 11/11/04 by jrsdls]
Originally posted by Azeari of the Radiant Eye
It's certainly not fragility.
Some of it is a certain innocence about the world outside the US, although 9/11 has changed that somewhat.
Those of us who have travelled extensively can understand it better than others.
As for empires and degenerate apes: well, you're of course entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't change the fact that no one has any legitmate reason to hate American people. The vast majority of us are just normal, ordinary folk trying to live our lives, love our families, etc - just like most people in other countries.
We are not our government. (There's an old saying that people get the government they deserve...but it's hard to see how that could work in practice, when - generally speaking - decent people don't go into politics...)
Originally posted by vibetic
If world hates(!) America, show me some polls ? research papers ? something ? anything at all ? to back it up.
I live in 'the world' and I don't know anyone who hates america. Yes some dislike some american policies but they often have good reasons (even half of the americans dislike some american policies). Probably 1% or less of the world population hates americans or america as a whole.
US doesn't get help because people perceive it doesn't need help, and if someone would send aid package to US then some american politicians would flame the sender to hell and call it a political maneuver trying to humiliate US.
Rove wants america to believe world hates american so that america unites behind the current government... Jane Fonda wants America to believe world hates Americans so that she'd get things her way.... I quess God hates america too www.godhatesamerica.com...
Originally posted by American Mad Man
It's simple. Leftists hate America. The farther left you go, the more intense the hatred becomes.
Where do you get this idea from?
[Hence why a lot of Europe hates us - a lot of Europe *cough FRANCE cough* is going farther and farther left.
Of course, there is also the extreme right that hates America (in the form of Islamic terrorists) but that is more based on religion then politics.
As far as I am concerned, screw those who dislike us or our government. The fact is we AS A COUNTRY - AND THAT INCLUDES OUR GOVERNMENT - do more good then harm. In the ME we are cleaning up a haven for destructive beliefs that has existed for many times the years that the US has. Maybe if ANY OTHER COUNTRY GOT OFF THEIR WORTHLESS ASSES IN THE LAST, OH, 1000 YEARS OR SO WE WOULDN"T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.
So if we where in poverty because our cities where ransacked a hundred years ago by people from africa in order tom enslave us, then we would be worthless?
But what else is new? France and Europe in general can't stand us - no matter what we do. And in 100 years when the whole world is better off for it they will be in our debt, just like now.
Actually we are in france's debt. if not for them we would ne be our own country. And when we desided to grab canada from then in the war of 1812 and they burn washington DC, but desided we could remain our own country, we should still be greatful. If not for them being nice to us, we would either be eating crumpets and tea or speaking french.
I am bloody sick of hearing about how everyone hates our government - if anyone else would deal with all the problems in the world we would not have to. All those leftists hating America throughout the cold war seem to forget it was America working to protect every free nation in the world against communism.
where is the love for other countries in this map?
Everyone seems to forget that in Vietnam, all we were doing was PROTECTING OUR ALLY! Isn't that what you are supposed to do? How is that different then the Korean War or WWII? IT'S NOT!
So unless I see any other country take on the worlds problems at the scope the US has, I will give a collective # YOU to any nation or people that DARE criticise the US.
really? whjo asked us to take on the world's problems? Who said they where problems in the first place? i know the Iraqis didn't ask us.
Shame on you for not critiziing the US. What the hell do you think the founding father wrote the first ammendment for? What do you think that jefferson wrote that it is ok to over throw our own government. If you had lived in 1776, you probably would have fought on the side of england.
Originally posted by chapo
Ask the PHARAON
Originally posted by Voice_of Doom
Originally posted by Muaddib
I am so tired of hearing people blame the U.S for everything that is happening in the world...
And Ive grown quite tired if these b*lls**t statements as well.
We're not children here, so let's not be naive about the US and its foreign policy since the begining.
Uh oh, looks like class is in session, let's start:
The US began its existence by exterminating 90% of the population living on it's land. Thats 90% Muaddib. The SINGLE greatest instance of genocide in the history of the world...ever! Far larger in scope than what the NAzi's accomplished. They then "relocated" the rest of the natives to some of the worst land in the country...a popluation that might never recover, muadibb! Or to quote Chris Rock, "when's the last time you saw two indians in a room together!". Think about it...really...think about it.
Then we proceeded to indulge in 400 years of a slave-labor economy. Thats 400 years, my friend! Think about that too.
Women in this country didn't get the right to vote until 80 years ago. S**t, we didn't even legalize civil rights until the 1960's! Thats 40 years ago!
Since then we've invaded Mexico, tried Canada..twice. Engaged in terrorist acts in Nicaragua (for which we were found guilty in the world court), Honduras, El Salvador, Chile, Argentina, Panama, Haiti, Cuba and the Phililpines. We have supported a dictator in East Timor that massacred 300,000 people in the 1970's. He got his money and weapons from the US as we blocked UN efforts to halt the killings. 300,000 people Muadibb..ever heard of it? Probably not if you live in the US..nice and insulated.
We support the Saud family that violently suppresses its population so our companies can get good oil prices.
We give 10 BILLION dollars a year to Isreal, whose actions, are almost universally condemd by the world community.
We support dictators in Africa.
We helped overthrow the Shah of Iran.
We setup Saddam and armed him with WMD to use against the Iranians and his own people and then turned our backs on the resistance that tried to overthrow him after the first Gulf War.
There was also that little thing we did to the Vietnamese for 13 years. I think 3 MILLION people were killed...and for what? Our prestige? So they couldn't have the form their government of choice?
How about Columbia, Muadibb? Know anything about that? Know that outside of Isreal they receive that largest amount of money from the US? Did you know that?
Did you know that from 1997 to 2003, when they were getting the largest amount they were one of the worst violaters of human rights in the world? Did you know that? Didn't hear it on FOX news eh? Weird. Do you know why they get so much money? Do you know its to support a brutal dictatorship that makes sure its resources and cheap labor stays available to American companies? Did you know that?
Do you know what the world thinks of our financial support of Turkey...do you know what the Italians think of the way our CIA made sure that no social parties took hold in the government after the second world war?
Do you know what the world thinks about our "invasion" of Iraq? Do you think they might think that its only in the best service of American Corporations...and that only lip-service is paid to democracy? Strange...I wonder why they would think that? Do you think its because we overthrough the "democratically" elected president of Chile in 73? Do you think its because turned our back on Castro in the 50's, when he was leading movement OF THE PEOPLE! You know that thing we're ALL ABOUT!
Did you know that not everybody see America as the "shining light" of the world? Did you know that some places even think that America's actions are hypocritical? OH MY GOSH!!! NO!!! But we're so good!!! It can't be!!
Don' they know Jesus loves us? God Blesses US??!!!
Did you know that you can learn these things and many more by picking up a ****ing book, muadibb? Do you think its time for, "the sleeper to awaked?"
Can we drop the third grade rhetoric and really talk about how things are in the real world now? Is it adult time yet?
Give me a ****ing break!
There is no enemy anywhere - Lao Tse
Originally posted by Muaddib
Originally posted by AceOfBase
They were talking about war mongering Americans because of the war in Vietnam at the time of this article.
They're talking about war-mongering Americans now because of the Iraq war.
They'll be talking about war-mongering Americans 10 years from now as the next US led war is taking place.
The US has done much good throughout the years but that is overshadowed by the wars that America fights and the nations that they intervene in overtly or covertly.
This hate is directed at 'America' the government, not 'Americans' the people, as some have already pointed out.
I see...so the U.S. is the only one who has waged wars in the world?.... i guess France has nothing to do right now with what is happening in the Ivory Coast...or what happened in the 90s with Rwanda.... or even before that during their colonizing days....
Many countries have done even worse things that overshadow anything that the U.S. has done.... yet there is no voice raised against what other countries have been doing.
BTW, if you actually read the broadcast i quoted in the original post you will see that the hatred was not only because of Vietnam, even before that and after, there was hatred against the U.S....
Originally posted by American Mad Man
I will give a collective # YOU to any nation or people that DARE criticise the US.
Originally posted by abbadaba
The colonists "conquest" of Native Americans was primarily a biological one and not military and not intentional. Dozens of deadly communicable diseases derived directly from crowded European cities spread quickly among Native Americans, who had no immunity to them. Smallpox was one of the deadliest. Estimates are there were 2 to 18 million Native Americans in what is now the United States, not 20+ million, and most of these Native Americans were killed by European diseases, not by guns. If you want to check this, read some books on American History or do an online search. To be sure there were many battles resulting in deaths on both sides, but this was small in comparison to the deaths caused by spread of disease. Prior to the arrival of the Europeans, there was essential no communicable diseases among Native Americans, and hence little resistance.