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Father kills son, himself during supervised visit at YWCA office

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posted on Aug, 11 2013 @ 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by goou111
A guy in New Hampshire shot and killed his 9 year old son and then himself during a supervised parental visit at the YWCA.

Its not really saying why the visits were supervised although now it seems pretty clear.

It says the parents shared custody so not sure why it was supervised..

A counselor was in the room when it happened but escaped unharmed.

bigstory.ap.org...

New Hampshire man shot his 9-year-old son to death before taking his own life during supervised visitation at a YWCA office, officials said Sunday.

An adult supervisor was present when Muni Savyon, 54, of Manchester, took out a handgun and shot 9-year-old Joshua Savyon of Amherst before shooting himself around 10 a.m., the attorney general's office said.

The father sent an email to a friend suggesting he was suicidal before the shootings, said Rabbi Levi Krinsky of Chabad Lubavitch in Manchester. Krinsky said Savyon had been depressed after recently returning from his brother's funeral in Israel but he had seen him last week and had no concerns he would harm himself or someone else.


I predict this one case will change the way supervised visits and custody exchanges are handled throughout the US.

Its going to be like getting on a plane.. Scanned, searched groped



If state agencies such as child youth services were involved, here's how the "visitation" would go. The "counselor" will sit with the child while you interact with him or her. There is no privacy nor respect for either parent. You are under suspicion the whole time as the "counselor" writes down everything you say and do while with the child. The experience is like being raped and humiliated and powerless to stop it from happening.

So I would say one possibility is that the state was making threats of taking away his son and so seeing no other way he did this horrible thing. It not logical but emotional and desperate. The state and the "counselors" and the agencies get big bucks for every kid they can take away from parents.

I am so glad my kids are grown up and married.





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posted on Aug, 11 2013 @ 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by Destinyone
reply to post by VoidHawk

 


I do know something about you. I know you are seemingly ready to defend the position of a father who killed his innocent 9 year old son! That is a LOT to know about you. JMOHO....

Des


I dont see you attacking the OP who said he'd shoot the guy again.!!! Is that ok in your book?
To say I "Felt" for the guy is not defending him!



posted on Aug, 11 2013 @ 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by VoidHawk
I know a few will rant and hate the father for what he did, but personally I cant help but feel for the guy. Seems like he couldn't bare to be parted from his son and (because of his beliefs) saw this as a way to solve the problem.


Child separate person from you, you would die a trillion times over but never harm the child, you would swim farthest ocean, but never harm child. You would never harm child. They not a possession so the mentality if you can't have him, no one can is pure psychopathy, and they are NOT a toy to play power games over, to get back at family over, they are human beings deserving of breathtaking love from parents, giving your all.

Child separate from you.

Suicide is one thing, I believe that those who commit suicide have full teams of counselors on the other side and don't buy into any religious ideas on this, for know quite a few very sensitive youths, and young men who did this. And only feel great compassion for them, and love them, light candles to them.

However, if you thought you were a danger to others and offed yourself, that would be one thing, but you would not harm anyone first.

That mentality isn't suicide ITS MURDER ONE AND SICK.
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posted on Aug, 11 2013 @ 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by Fromabove
I am so glad my kids are grown up and married.

Same here. But I have a grandson whom I love to bits, and he's growing up in a world full of people who judge without knowing the facts, and jump all over those who show compassion.
That worries me!



posted on Aug, 11 2013 @ 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
However, if you thought you were a danger to others and offed yourself, that would be one thing, but you would not harm anyone first.

I agree. But this person did "Off" someone else, does that not suggest they weren't in their right mind?

I havent tried to defend what this person did! I simply said I felt for the guy because to do something like that must mean your mind is sick, and if thats the case it could happen to anyone because a sick mind means you have no control!



posted on Aug, 11 2013 @ 08:59 PM
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Seems like a way to lash out at his Ex.

I could be wrong but seems like if you want to check out. You should go alone.

I would die for my child...

So sad.



posted on Aug, 11 2013 @ 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by VoidHawk

Originally posted by Fromabove
I am so glad my kids are grown up and married.

Same here. But I have a grandson whom I love to bits, and he's growing up in a world full of people who judge without knowing the facts, and jump all over those who show compassion.
That worries me!


Yes, it's a shame. America we knew is gone and is now a political police state. The destruction of the family is the final blow to any society. When they interfere in the parent and child relationship they destroy the true meaning of trust, unity, cohesion, loyalty, devotion, dedication, and endurance. We as a nation are probably seeing our final years of decline. So sad. But this is what happens to every progressive socialist communist based nation.

I remember when I used to take my child to the doctor for checkups. I literally had to make sure there wasn't even a scratch, or pimple out of pace so as to not be accused of something. They would ask my child all kinds of trick questions that had nothing to do with medicine so as to search for some thing to pin on me as a parent. Eventually I got so fed up with it, and I talked long and hard with my children and taught them all the trick questions they might ask and how to respond. But it was so sick. Parents are not criminals to be investigated, but this is what socialism and social engineering looks like.





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posted on Aug, 11 2013 @ 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by VoidHawk

Originally posted by goou111

Originally posted by VoidHawk
I know a few will rant and hate the father for what he did, but personally I cant help but feel for the guy. Seems like he couldn't bare to be parted from his son and (because of his beliefs) saw this as a way to solve the problem.


Well I think the guy is a selfish piece of S@#$ and I would be happy to shoot him again.


I could be tempted to think like that, but there's very little background info in the linky, so we can only make our own assumptions as to what was going on.
Selfish? maybe, then again maybe he knew the kid was doomed to a life of absolute misery, and if the guy had a mental illness maybe to him this was the answer, especially if he believes they'll be together in some heaven somewhere, if thats the case then is he still selfish? after all, he sent himself there too.

are you f'n seroius..someone able to predict the future here?(doomed to a life of absolute misery)...the child should of got his turn to live and experience life..this is why we are all here
selfish..i very much think so
oh and there are no facts that we may or may not know about that justify killing your 9 year old son

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posted on Aug, 11 2013 @ 09:07 PM
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Those with Mental problems sometimes dont know they have them. They also dont know how to deal with them.

What a sad story.


Prayers for all of them.



posted on Aug, 11 2013 @ 09:15 PM
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What a dangerous world we live in.

I posted this.


I know a few will rant and hate the father for what he did, but personally I cant help but feel for the guy. Seems like he couldn't bare to be parted from his son and (because of his beliefs) saw this as a way to solve the problem.


For that we have members (who should know better) replying to me with



You scare me....really.



In my opinion, that makes your thinking processes, unstable...like the father.



I know you are seemingly ready to defend the position of a father who killed his innocent 9 year old son! That is a LOT to know about you. JMOHO....


Well, stuff like that scares me too. You judge without knowing the facts, and you attack those who show compassion.
Never once did I say I defended what the man did but I am judged unstable and scary.
You people are whats wrong with this world. The media push out an emotional story and your all in there shouting and demanding blood, and attacking anything that gets close enough to become a target.

You should know better.
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posted on Aug, 11 2013 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by vonclod

Originally posted by VoidHawk

Originally posted by goou111

Originally posted by VoidHawk
I know a few will rant and hate the father for what he did, but personally I cant help but feel for the guy. Seems like he couldn't bare to be parted from his son and (because of his beliefs) saw this as a way to solve the problem.


Well I think the guy is a selfish piece of S@#$ and I would be happy to shoot him again.


I could be tempted to think like that, but there's very little background info in the linky, so we can only make our own assumptions as to what was going on.
Selfish? maybe, then again maybe he knew the kid was doomed to a life of absolute misery, and if the guy had a mental illness maybe to him this was the answer, especially if he believes they'll be together in some heaven somewhere, if thats the case then is he still selfish? after all, he sent himself there too.

are you f'n seroius..someone able to predict the future here?(doomed to a life of absolute misery)...the child should of got his turn to live and experience life..this is why we are all here
selfish..i very much think so
oh and there are no facts that we may or may not know about that justify killing your 9 year old son

edit on 11-8-2013 by vonclod because: (no reason given)


Where did I say it justified killing his son?
See my above post.



posted on Aug, 11 2013 @ 09:20 PM
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sad ... may they have better luck in the next life ...
amitaba ...
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posted on Aug, 11 2013 @ 09:40 PM
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Knock it off!

I don't know anything about this. Maybe the Social Worker snapped and killed them both. Maybe dad was in anguish over who knows what. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.


They are both still dead. It's tragic for everyone. They were supposed to be safe at the "Y". They weren't. Those people will carry this too. The mother.


Good Lord, stop justifying YOUR opinion. Take a moment and grieve, this is sad. It's okay to be sad.

But STOP already



posted on Aug, 11 2013 @ 10:01 PM
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seemed like because we dont know all the facts that somehow you felt there might of been some excuse or reason..if i misunderstood you my apoligies
even if the dude was mentaly ill im having a hard time with feeling anything for him..enough said
tragic story


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posted on Aug, 11 2013 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by Destinyone
The only *fact* that counts to me is...

There always comes a time where one finds them self acting on what they know is right regardless of what it will "look like" or the consequences.

This is not to absolve or condone this scenario, but to remind that there is never only one "fact" that counts if one truly wishes to understand the source of and thus implication of and reaction to a situation.
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posted on Aug, 12 2013 @ 08:39 AM
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Another "gun free" zone I would imagine...

Gs



posted on Aug, 12 2013 @ 09:04 AM
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