New low for the Tea Party

Originally posted by AlienScience
It is hard to believe that any intelligent person would still be defending the "Tea Party". Doesn't using the argument that "well that doesn't represent everyone in the Tea Party" over and over get kind of old? After you say that about multiple events, doesn't it at some point actually do start to represent the entire movement?

Only if your brain dead. All could just as easily represent a propaganda effort against the TP. What did Hitler tell folks, of Gabby G, that if you tell folks a lie long enough they will believe it?


The fact is you cant find anything on an official TP platform that is any of the things its accused of. Cant be said for the Nazis, communists, socialists, progressives ect.

I don't know the specific situation you are talking about, I really doubt a lot of people are ONLY buying candy with food stamps.

And I really don't think a drug dealer would trade candy for drugs or alcohol...why wouldn't they just go buy it? That makes zero sense at all.

I'm not sure what you consider healthy food, but it is expensive to eat healthy. It is cheaper to buy mac and cheese, PB&J, frozen pizza, cheap ground meat and other processed junk food than it is to buy fresh vegetables and lean cuts of meat.

Yes, some people abuse the system...some people abuse the bankruptcy system...some people abuse the mortgage market...there are some people that will abuse any system, that isn't a reason to want to get rid of the system, and it isn't a reason to judge all participants in the system because of a few examples. Even if the abuse is widespread and is the majority of participants, there are still those that use it for it's intended purposes and are able to feed their children because of it. To judge those people and punish them because of the abuse you see is not logical or compassionate.

The otherthing is you cant just put people in two groups. Able to work and Unable.


There are 4 sets IMO.

1) Complety Unable. Basicaly those classified retarted or bed ridden. I dont think there is any agument about helping them long term except from the very few hard core hard hearted ultra righ wingers. Hell I dont think Neo is against this group.

2) 50% Able. Basicaly those with mental disorders, CNS problems and a number of muscle disorders. Yes 50% of the time they are able. Problem is you cant predict when that 50 % is. Im actually in this group(due to a infection messing up my lungs and CNS) and I know a number who are and would love work but no one will employ them due to being so unrealible work wise and if they do manage to get a job they will like in my case get dissmised after a month due to to much sick leave (trying working when you have gone blue due to cyanosis and cant feel you legs). Now this group is not a lost cause. What I did is start my own business so I can be more flexable when I work. But Im lucky I had capital and a extremly good credit rateing. A lot in my poistion are not so lucky, they have no money and have such a poor credit rateing due to finacial woes (I bet its worse in USA due to hopsital bills) they would never get a loan. So to get this group working there needs to be some sort of goverment buisness grants OR Banks needs to buck up and give some charity.

3) Rstricted work. Back injurys, para and quadraplegics, amuptees. Fact is there is work they can do fine. But not all work is suitable. If you cant do heavly lifting or standing for long periods of time fact is up to 75% of jobs can be a no no. Not because they wont but cause they phycialy cant. Now this is a problem in a area with high unemployment. If able bodied people are have trouble finding work then someone who is restricted in what they take will have even more bother. If they are a paraplegic and all the jobs in the area require heavly lifting or climbing then they will be in bother. Solution really is to support them for abit longer than normal unemployed and be understanding while they find work or like above help them set up there own business, but make sure they are actually looking for work and not just pretending while they cash checks.

4) Able bodied. Well no excuse not to work unless there are serouis economic issues in the area.

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by seabag

 

Obviously conservatives are just suppose to throw a bunch of money at the poor, and that automatically means they care no wait.

Conservative give more to charity than liberals do and they still get vilified.

No....Conservatives give more money to thier church...which can go to funding anything from improving the improving the church, financing the clergy, sponsoring evangelical missions abroad to financing Ted Haggard's Meth-Amphetamine binges and male prostitutes.

Conversly...Liberals, Democrats et al. donate more to secular organizations...otherwise they don't ask the hungry chuildren if they have accepted JC as thier personal savior before they feed them.

Study: Conservatives and liberals are equally charitable, but they give to different charities
www.washingtonpost.com... s/

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Plus, when Conservatives donate to their church...they aren't doing it out of goodwill, they are doing it to buy an admission into heaven (or so they think).

I donate to causes I care about and I mostly donate anonymously when I can because I don't need credit for doing something that is a good thing to do.

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by seabag

 

Obviously conservatives are just suppose to throw a bunch of money at the poor, and that automatically means they care no wait.

Conservative give more to charity than liberals do and they still get vilified.

No....Conservatives give more money to thier church...which can go to funding anything from improving the improving the church, financing the clergy, sponsoring evangelical missions abroad to financing Ted Haggard's Meth-Amphetamine binges and male prostitutes.

Conversly...Liberals, Democrats et al. donate more to secular organizations...otherwise they don't ask the hungry chuildren if they have accepted JC as thier personal savior before they feed them.

Yea the communists would never stoop to this. Although they have been know to hold a gun to ones head and order then to denounce Christ. lol. Secular organizations! Almost all of which a firmly and openly politically alined....so in effect the same game on the other side of the street. They help out and give with as much hope that doing so will reflect upon their political bent as much as anyone else.

Originally posted by AlienScience
I don't know the specific situation you are talking about, I really doubt a lot of people are ONLY buying candy with food stamps.

Maybe you missed the part where I told you I personally put these items into their bags. Maybe you feel like you know me well enough to call me a liar.

Originally posted by AlienScience
To judge those people and punish them because of the abuse you see is not logical or compassionate.

Nothing wrong with a judgement call. You seem to agree, as you were quick to judge me. Anyway, I will continue to think it's wrong for those certain people to buy sugary snacks with Food Stamps. I'm not going to hate them. We even joke around over the counter.

I'm pretty sure you didn't know who I or my customers are. So, I can understand you making assumptions based on your biases. I hope I was able to clarify things for you.

lmao!!!

Im sorry OP, Did you just use Liberals Unite for a source?

Ok, so, the "author" states this will "probably be the Next Big Thing (TM) for Tea *partiers* who love to hate."

How can anybody pin this on ANY political party? Besides, wheres the proof? This is just another attempt to paint the Tea Party in a bad light, Not that they need much help after the grassroots movement was overtaken, But, this is complete crap, and there is no evidence that this is the Tea Party nor any other political party for that matter. This is obviously just what it is, a pissed off taxpayer who has an issue with titty suckers.

Now, for my opinion on the matter.
I actually agree with this tactic. And I think it might be beneficial for all of us as a society to make government tit-sucking to be shamed. Its a shameless practice now.


The only way to stop the government over-reach is to quit relying on them. And if we have to create a stigmata towards 'living off the system' to make that happen, well, then maybe thats what we should do.

ETA: I claim not political affiliates, I just hate to see such an obvious smear thread taken as truth by other members.

reply to post by gentledissident

Maybe you missed the part where I told you I personally put these items into their bags. Maybe you feel like you know me well enough to call me a liar.

No, I saw that part...but you bag the groceries for a incredibly small percentage of those on food stamps...even in your area, it is probably a very small percentage that you see. And I still doubt that every person you see that uses foodstamps ONLY buys candy and pop.

Nothing wrong with a judgement call. You seem to agree, as you were quick to judge me.

A judgment on an individual and their story on the internet is quite different than judging an entire segment of society based on your very narrow sampling of personal interaction.

Originally posted by AlienScience
And I really don't think a drug dealer would trade candy for drugs or alcohol...why wouldn't they just go buy it? That makes zero sense at all.

That's the response I got online when I mentioned that people were buying loads of candy on EBT. I know people used to sell food stamps for money and will loan out their cards for cash.

Originally posted by AlienScience
I'm not sure what you consider healthy food, but it is expensive to eat healthy. It is cheaper to buy mac and cheese, PB&J, frozen pizza, cheap ground meat and other processed junk food than it is to buy fresh vegetables and lean cuts of meat.

We don't sell fresh vegetables or lean meats. We do sell frozen meat and vegetables. The food you mention is far healthier than what many EBT card holders buy at my store.

Originally posted by AlienScience
And I still doubt that every person you see that uses foodstamps ONLY buys candy and pop.

A judgment on an individual and their story on the internet is quite different than judging an entire segment of society based on your very narrow sampling of personal interaction.

1: The abuse is pretty bad at my store, but nowhere did I say "every person".
2: There you go again making me out to be something I never claimed nor indicated to be.
3: Do you realize you're going off on a socialist?

Originally posted by AlienScience


Plus, when Conservatives donate to their church...they aren't doing it out of goodwill, they are doing it to buy an admission into heaven (or so they think).

I donate to causes I care about and I mostly donate anonymously when I can because I don't need credit for doing something that is a good thing to do.

How very higher moral of you.
And no credit huh?? I guess no credit is needed, except here on ATS.

reply to post by Hefficide

"Why photoshop?"


No access to a printer?

Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by seabag

 

Obviously conservatives are just suppose to throw a bunch of money at the poor, and that automatically means they care no wait.

Conservative give more to charity than liberals do and they still get vilified.

No....Conservatives give more money to thier church...which can go to funding anything from improving the improving the church, financing the clergy, sponsoring evangelical missions abroad to financing Ted Haggard's Meth-Amphetamine binges and male prostitutes.

Conversly...Liberals, Democrats et al. donate more to secular organizations...otherwise they don't ask the hungry children if they have accepted JC as thier personal savior before they feed them.

Originally posted by LogarockYea the communists would never stoop to this. Although they have been know to hold a gun to ones head and order then to denounce Christ.

??? Did you just conflate half the country with the Khmer Rouge? Don't know how to help someone with that magnitude of idealogical derrangement.

Originally posted by Logarock
lol. Secular organizations! Almost all of which a firmly and openly politically alined....so in effect the same game on the other side of the street.

You are obviously painfully unaware of any charitable organizations that aren't aligned with Christian agenda's.

I'll give you a context clue...the GOP in Congress, for months, refused to pass a hurricaine Sandy relief bill...an unprecendented act so idealogically sociapathic that a long list of GOP in congress, some of them indisputably hyper-conservative, were forced to publicly ask WTF is wrong with you people....before the rest of the GOP in Congress was shamed into acting.

Originally posted by Indigo5

You are obviously painfully aware of any charitable organizations that aren't aligned with Christian agenda's.

I'll give you a context clue...the GOP in Congress, for months, refused to pass a hurricaine Sandy relief bill...an unprecendented act so idealogically sociapathic that a long list of GOP in congress, some of them indisputably hyper-conservative, were forced to publicly ask WTF is wrong with you people....before the rest of the GOP in Congress was shamed into acting.

Now I see your problem.
You think that your example is charitable aid.

It is not. It is Tax money going to States to hand out for repair of things that should be covered by insurance or the person that owns it.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Can you prove to me that anyone in that group holding the signs is an actual patriot.

can you prove any of them aren't?

It seems you are saying we can no longer reasonably assume...there must be proof..maybe a video of them making it.

Assumptions are nearly NEVER acceptable.... and the only way your "reasonable assumption" works, is when stating an opinion...which is not what was done in the OP, and the article it linked to...they were stating that it was fact that it was done by a specific group of people, with no proof.

he brains at ATS decided this...

to whom are you referring, and what is it that they decided?

Incidently, can we be certain humans wrote the poem on the statue of liberty? is there a youtube video of humans doing it?

yes. because there are witnesses, and documentation....you know...that annoying stuff we mentioned before...proof...

I give up...you refuse to acknowledge how I said the letter is almost beside the point and should lead to a discussion, but some of you are too thick to comprehend that
so, nevermind..actually...I know who wrote the sign in ops. it was clearly baby hitler with help from demon aliens....because the tea party lubs welfare programs and never, ever would say anything bad about them.

i'm sorry..your argument is as laughable as your position, and really....implying i'm stupid because i don't believe what you believe, and because i actually require proof, or because i actually want to talk about the topic this thread is about, instead of "teh tea partee is soh mean, bekuz they wanna take away everebuddy's welfare", really is a lame tactic....

all it shows is that your position cannot, and does not hold up to scrutiny, and that you know it, but refuse to accept it.....because it's so much easier to stay on the baseless blame bandwagon..

reply to post by Indigo5

No....Conservatives give more money to thier church...which can go to funding anything from improving the church, financing the clergy, sponsoring evangelical missions abroad to financing Ted Haggard's Meth-Amphetamine binges and male prostitutes.

Seriously?

Love that hyperbole and vitriol.

Conversly...Liberals, Democrats et al. donate more to secular organizations...otherwise they don't ask the hungry children if they have accepted JC as thier personal savior before they feed them.

They ask them if the have accepted the Democratic party and Government as the resurrection and the life.

Everyone has links:

www.realclearpolitics.com...

Did you guys find out the truth yet?

Is this true?

Amazing 25 pages over something that hasn't been verified.

Originally posted by CryHavoc
No, sorry. Uneducated people don't get to decide if I have Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder from getting hit by a drunk driver. If they really want to take it out on someone, they are more than welcome to take it out on the drunk that hit me and caused the problem. I'm also dealing with a bunch of physical problems and a sleep disorder which may or may not be related to that accident or possible untreated food poisoning I may have had as well.

Civilian arrest for anyone trying to practice medicine (diagnosis) without a license. Practicing Medicine without a License is a Class 4 Felony in Illinois. You do not have the right to have a Medical Opinion about anything if you do not have a Medical License. It's also called Misprison of a Felony if you witness a Felony and don't report it. You can go to jail for not reporting it.

By the way, that message is also called Inciting if it causes any crime.

I notice that the person that wrote it doesn't have the balls to give their real/full name. We need to start a list of Tea Party members and their addresses and post them on street corners and telephone polls.

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and uneducated people don't get to decide that we need to post the names and addresses of people with a non-violent political affiliation, just because they don't like them...

i see you have decided to embrace ignorance, and fantasy.....just because some dude on a blog with an agenda says it, does not make it truth.....where's the proof?

The biggest difference between the left and right.

The left loves to demagogue the right on their religious views and they love to deify government because of that free will people do things on their own there is no need for social programs such as the op or the out right fascism done under the false pretense of 'helping' people in need.

Some people said the TPM sunk to a new low well that comment about drugs, and male prostitutes is as LOW as it gets.

Originally posted by neo96

Everyone has links:

www.realclearpolitics.com...

And yet your link is based on a study by the partisan American Enterprise Institute, a right wing org and a debunked, wholey skewed data-set from 2008.

Whilst the link I provided is from the past year, and an exhaustive, unbiased study by political scientists at MIT..

papers.ssrn.com...

But who am I kidding? The quality of information? Facts? Numbers? all are liberal inventions straight from the pit of hell.