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Originally posted by seabag
Peace to all! I hope you all find what you're looking for. Whatever it is, I don't have it.
I think everybody had to read that book in school, certainly I did. Only some lessons can be taken from it as society is very different from the 1950s.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by frazzle
Actually racism is pretty mild compared to other countries, but one would never realise it till they leave their nation and travel abroad to some third world countries with no legal protection whatsoever. Rwanda, south africa, central america, south america, ethiopia, somalia, balkans, ceylon.
Blacks hating on ther blacks, catholics hating on orthodox christians, muslims hating on jews, hindus hating on budhists, everyone hating on athiests, etc.
Undo posted a video of what was going on in south africa with the apartheid regime. It was so horrible I simply could not watch it.
You're right, and you're offering two possible solutions. I'm not saying that we'll ever try them, but your offering great ideas. Why not reduce our reliance and emphasis on "the sickening perspectives of the past in relation to race?" Isn't focusing on the terrible things of the past quite possibly harmful?
The past frames the present... if we all were cut off from the sickening perspectives of the past in relation to race, then you might have a leg to hop on... as it stands, we're immersed in our ill fitting hand-me-downs of conditioning.
I thought I had, see above. I'm probably misunderstanding you, but are you saying that we should not have discussions on race? Should they be on "human development?"
So it might be better to realize we know little, ask serious questions and quit even coming to discussions with race foremost on the mind.
OK, I like working with individuals instead of large amorphous groups. But don't we then have to stop saying "Whites are racists?" Or, "They always treat Black men like that?" I know that eliminates the Klan from any reasonable discussion (I think the lost that right a very long time ago.), but what does it do to Farrakhan and Sharpton? They talk in terms of racial groups all the time.
Perhaps we should approach this on an individual basis with knowledge of past atrocity and daily belittling... along with the knowledge that even in this "enlightened" time, racial awareness looms large.
Originally posted by neo96
So religion is race now ?
How's that possible?
Religion is learned behavior.
Now, batting in 6th position, the designated hitter, Mr. Confusion!
Heh, maybe whites should do nothing outside of themselves? Why are they the ones to act? It's slightly paternalistic to think whites have to, or can do, a darned thing about "race," except, perhaps, to check themselves for biased thinking and avoid it.
Of course, I hope you're right, but if nobody can do anything outside of themself, why should the current situation not continue ad infinitum?
It will get better gradually, as people learn their racist attitudes are empty and that exceptions are the norm, rather than the exception.
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by LittleBlackEagle
I am sincerely honored and pleased that you decided this conversation was worth getting involved in. Thank you.
i can't even believe i'm discussing this as i usually don't get involved with this type of thing.
people have been prejudice for tens of thousands of years, propaganda has been around just as long,
I wonder if this prejudice can be reduced over time. Allow me to use myself as an example.
What seems like a hundred years ago I was in a military drill competition at a college in South Dakota. We knew there was a hostile audience, as the stands were filled with members of SDS. (Does anybody even remember them?) When we first went out, the students swarmed the floor and our team commander ordered us back into the locker room. He did that the next time as well. We were told, that whatever else happened, we were not to give up our grip on our rifle.
We were swarmed again, I was knocked to the floor, stepped on and kicked a few times, and basically froze with a death grip on my rifle. I was pulled out of the mob by the biggest, most beautiful black man I had ever seen. He was 9 1/2 feet tall, looked like a god, and could pull 50 box cars with one finger. (Of course, I was under a little stress.)
I recently thought about people in life I really admired. I was surprised to see that six out of seven were Black. These things make me think that change is possible, I just don't know how to make it happen, especially against the forces who want race relations to stay bad or get worse.
I'm wide open for your thoughts.
Originally posted by charles1952
You may be right, I don't know what was in the person's head. It seemed to me that it was a little more angry, a little more "You Whites are going to have to listen to the non-Whites. You need to be told what they want, why they want it, and you have to accept your guilt and pay for it." As I say, I'm guessing, but it sounded like that.