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posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by vethumanbeing

Originally posted by akushla99
White bearded 'father', dragon spectres, spinning and floating wheel with 4 faces, a stick that turns into a snake...jungian archetypes...
The machinery required to 'conjure' whatever you want is operating 24/7...creating personal and communal bardos are the result (specific to the Tibetan Book of the Dead). Primary domain for these creations is the freak show behind the curtain ('I went to hell and met the devil')...secondary domain is the paperfolding tecnique that we conduct to 'raise' frequencies to semi-concrete spaces, by dent of foci (inherent in machinery).
That's the bardo experience, in a nutshell...bleeds into a temporally conditioned locus, an already concretised locus (dent of 'the word')...your hurdles are now solid, here...but, in a feedback loop scenario, the finer thought mechanisms affect that freak show, and back again (since we reside in both - essentially)...Å99


Temporary weakened condition, the freak show is the over abundance of Harry Potter and Hobbit type information that is being flooded into ripe exploded open melons; (minds) at this time. Primary Machinery 101 involves the subversion of that mind without any histrionics, its easy, its in place as in the thought "MAYBE I CAN BE A CONJURUR"; maybe you can do great harm to yourself in the process of becoming GODPARTICAL. The bardo is always a temporary state of conciousness, unfortunately, your not aware of when your in it and the results afterfact; when you reawaken can be detrimental to your mental health. Its all in the feedback loop, you keep refining.....something that never needed to be perfection in the first place.


If I were to add...this was the addition...TY VHB


Å99




posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 10:23 PM
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Its all as obvious to me as it is to you, however the uniqueness of language allows anyone to express themselves. Direct and consistant; pinpointing and quantifying an understanding of a simple concept is exponencial in its release of information. Can anyone catch it--105mph fastball (you can).

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posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 10:56 PM
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threads of interest

An interesting preprint from Ray Chiao about a gravitational effect in superconductors

The five biggest obscenities of Capitalism today

Robots to revolutionize framing (Yah!), ease labor woes (Huh!)

NAVY Space Command Uncovered

Meet DARPA'S real-world Terminator, The Atlas


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Remote Veiwing: The Data Dump on PSI warfare

Might find use full


As for the pop quiz

The elbow grease is up to you

Now for the incoming

*Keep in mind we wont be there when they go to do magics
Research and thought skills required
Discipline being developed
All the material you need has been provided or access to the knowledge is available

*As for the use of mind
takes training
The human body has the potential to do the butterfly spin kick
the dynamics are their.. the body systems are their..
It takes practice, exercise, stretching its called training

*17 pages of warnings, advice, and knowledge
even the disagreements contain information

Now into the shallow end of the pool



A slight warning

Do not skip the steps
dont eat right before you get in the water


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Portable space

Pagans sometimes have .. Issues..
Portable space is items you might bring with you to create instant space

Plenty of reasons exist for this
Cant keep foot traffic out of space
Small children and animals

The idea is the creation of a space to be cleansed
The most brilliant I have seen

is the creation of a traveling sacred space backpack
it contained a few interesting items

Beach Towel
Lighter
metal water canteen
almanac
Two candles
-one lavender
-one sandlewood
Pocket knife

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Legal issues to keep in mind

Certain states have special need issues
and the Keep silent part applies

You cant just carry your dagger,knife, and or Anathema unpeace tied

Even peace tied it can cause issues

Check your local laws and state laws
Each has different rules on these religious items

You will need to know them

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In conclusion
threads you might find interesting
purpose
portable space
Laws (learn them.. transportation of ritual items can be an issue)

I will leave you with this for the night


If you wish to learn, the knowledge is all out there
the problem you run into as you can tell from the Conversations

Everyone has great investment advice (this stock will make you a fortune, my friend lost money on that deal, those time shares are a scam) However few mention the TRAINING required


Learning to learn is part of Impeccability

I will read the responses some time tomorrow.. should be interesting to say the least







Kosh Naranek: Ahh. You seek meaning.
Talia Winters: Yes.
Kosh Naranek: Then listen to the music, not the song.


Babylon Five- JMS

The main thing is exercising the ability
to be able to accomplish the goal

step by step day by day

Decision by Decision




posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 02:00 PM
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So far

Journal
Definitions
hobby

Missing item
US magic energy thingy
people watching

POP quiz



I am taking a moment to answer some questions from U2U


Manifesting the impossible...
a plus b equals c

C is set in quantum stone
however chaos theory states that not all of the initial conditions are the same

I call it wiggle room.. the B5 technomage video covered it too

the grey area


A good thought exercise

Think of what is an impossible situation
write it down and list the ways it could happen

Turn some one into a frog



Details..
initial conditions
Intent

= Walking on water



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 02:03 PM
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So I would like to mention to neonates interested in magic(k) and following this thread...

A few weeks of study is not adequate for warranting jumping into a ritual as he is suggesting. Particularly if you are solitary! If you wish to jump in to the water, without learning how to swim, you most assuredly will drown.

I'd thought this was to be a thread exploring ideas and aspects in relation to magick, however, I didn't think it was going to be progressed dangerously to practicing techniques that take much longer than a few weeks to assimilate and understand. Do so at your own risk and peril, as Ripcontrol, was sure to wash his hands of responsibility should things go wrong. (shakes head).

Was I mistaken in your intentions Ripcontrol? I thought you'd committed yourself to this thread for a year and a day? Exactly what is your reasoning for such a rush, that can be detrimental to those who did decide to follow your protocol? Particularly, if this is their first interaction with these ideas?

You've mentioned being part of a coven, Ripcontrol. Exactly what was your covens base? Upon which deities and what method were you instructed? It didn't matter before, but in that you are instructing neonates to do adept things, I'm now curious.

Cirque



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 04:54 PM
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Ive asked the same thing, coven and area of discipline. No answer; total disregard.



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by vethumanbeing
reply to post by CirqueDeTruth
 


Ive asked the same thing, coven and area of discipline. No answer; total disregard.



In case you haven't caught it yet, Rip tends to answer late at night est.

My question to you is "what diff does it make" too you personally. You qualify yourself as being practiced. If you are , you undoubtedly found your own pitfalls if in fact you practiced. Those pitfalls as it were were necessary to strengthen the mind., the spirit and the body to the path. We all experienced it, at least some of us did. We are in a new paradigm. One that works faster than twenty or thirty years ago. As are the new practitioners. We are dealing with new laws, not subject to the old ways.

Information travels faster. Problems can be found at your fingertips. As can answers. This new generation of adepts is not us, we paved the way. Open your mind to new possibilities, and new paradigms as you so eloquently posted you were capable of earlier in the thread.Cirque, you too. ditby]edit on 18-7-2013 by twohawks because: (no reason given)

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posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by vethumanbeing
reply to post by CirqueDeTruth
 


Ive asked the same thing, coven and area of discipline. No answer; total disregard.





I have not disregarded you

not yet

Your the principal reason things are being done the way they are
so far you have shown yourself to be a harm to yourself... let alone the path others may have been on

I have been kind to you and again you insist on being rude..


You have only demonstrated a cracked mind of someone who dabbles

Your looking for reasons and excuses to destroy someone.. to belittle them
You have contributed only your presence

You have a need to dominate others
the majority of it is passive aggressive behavior

You seem to have a need to be treated with disdain
I am not establishing a codependent relationship with you

You can keep complain but you personally will get no answers from me unless
1)you apologize to those here you have insulted
2)you demonstrate a much wiser level of behavior
3) I will not have your Karma on my hands because of something I gave you are not ready for. (even if I am sharing with others)


As for me
1) My thread
2) I have followed ATS rules
3) My communications methods are my own


I am not asking the universe to punish merely to share


If you feel so sure I am wrong

Just pick up a red feather and type your response detailing how you are innocent 100% and have not been rude..Include how I am wrong.. make sure you hold the feather when you type ... K

Unless of course you are wrong



BTW way feel free to keep venting

Your improving at least
your statements have been much clearer

If this was the grading type of thing I would give your last few responses a C-

Again good work on clearly getting your point across



However my patience does have its limits..

@Universe
By chance I am wrong may it harm him not and pass through him as if he was not there...



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 06:56 PM
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So much to say and I cant



The paradigm has changed


I will address this partially when I finish my response to CDT



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by twohawks

Originally posted by vethumanbeing
reply to post by CirqueDeTruth
 


Ive asked the same thing, coven and area of discipline. No answer; total disregard.



In case you haven't caught it yet, Rip tends to answer late at night est.

My question to you is "what diff does it make" too you personally. You qualify yourself as being practiced. If you are , you undoubtedly found your own pitfalls if in fact you practiced. Those pitfalls as it were were necessary to strengthen the mind., the spirit and the body to the path. We all experienced it, at lest some of us did. We are in a new paradigm. One that works faster than twenty or thirty years ago. As are the new practitioners. We are dealing with new laws, not subject to the old ways


It matters if the underlying intention is to harm. Which would be the intention, when instructing 'students' to jump into the frying pan without first learning to adjust the heat.

For some purpose, he's deliberately leading people into ritual w/o the necessary tools needed to do so safely. Why? Is this a 'coup' for a purpose we've no knowledge of? This is why I ask. If he's of certain belief sets - then I can understand why he might be doing this... Leading sacrificial lambs to the slaughter.

Don't worry TwoHawks, I have reasons at this point in time for giving Ripcontrol a hard time, and I promise, he won't take the offense you have - for my giving him contention. It's all part and parcel with the role he is trying to establish for himself. It's also a lesson for those following him - if you can figure it out.


Blessings,
Cirque



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth

Originally posted by twohawks

Originally posted by vethumanbeing
reply to post by CirqueDeTruth
 


Ive asked the same thing, coven and area of discipline. No answer; total disregard.



In case you haven't caught it yet, Rip tends to answer late at night est.

My question to you is "what diff does it make" too you personally. You qualify yourself as being practiced. If you are , you undoubtedly found your own pitfalls if in fact you practiced. Those pitfalls as it were were necessary to strengthen the mind., the spirit and the body to the path. We all experienced it, at lest some of us did. We are in a new paradigm. One that works faster than twenty or thirty years ago. As are the new practitioners. We are dealing with new laws, not subject to the old ways


It matters if the underlying intention is to harm. Which would be the intention, when instructing 'students' to jump into the frying pan without first learning to adjust the heat.

For some purpose, he's deliberately leading people into ritual w/o the necessary tools needed to do so safely. Why? Is this a 'coup' for a purpose we've no knowledge of? This is why I ask. If he's of certain belief sets - then I can understand why he might be doing this... Leading sacrificial lambs to the slaughter.

Don't worry TwoHawks, I have reasons at this point in time for giving Ripcontrol a hard time, and I promise, he won't take the offense you have - for my giving him contention. It's all part and parcel with the role he is trying to establish for himself. It's also a lesson for those following him - if you can figure it out.


Blessings,
Cirque


Cirque, incase you missed my earlier posts putting rips feet to the fire as it were, and my subsequent apologies for being so forward (including threats) which I'm still ashamed of. I fully understand your concern. However I also believe the flood gates are opening with regard to universal knowledge and why not try to direct, those that connect , to a more fruitful path. We are facing fast paced times dear which in my vow will require fast paced growth. Those that gravitate to this thread will either be able to flow and flourish or crash and burn. Hard lesson, yes but do these times not justify the severity of the lessons.
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P.s. I Don't believe his intention is to harm.
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By the by cirque, there's nothing stopping you from offering protective measures for those that are reading.
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posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 07:21 PM
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By the way I thought and meant to type view not vow, but looking back I believe it still works.
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Just to be clear I did not take offense. I simply have an evolving view of majics in today's society. All be it I do revert to old paradigms from time to time. Old habits and all.
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posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 08:11 PM
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I have not heard back from another U2U person so your answer on definitions is hidden in these post


First I will be honest I have kept my personal journal

ATS journal Entry
#X then I put the date

And that has been it

(note I never made the requirement over length)

I have cheated because I also never specified it had to be the same Journal every day

(note I only stated the discipline of making the entry not in the same journal nor did I consider it. only the making the entry was the purpose to impeccability)


At least until today..
In the one with my other ideas.. my floating journal of ideas.. the one where I was keeping stories, plans, weapons designs, exctra

POOF

My hobby
remember that other thing you have to be doing for the same amount of time you put into studying magic

Well long story short my hobby showed up at the company my gf works for
Different location
I was talking with one of her bosses

My new hobby came up..

Then when I went to pick my girlfriend up

The basic thoughts certain special people have had here
The underlying basic

Just need to visualize
Energy flow


Like the earlier statement

The human body can do so much.. why it can do a spinning jump kick


Is the answer still
Need to visualize
energy flow


In there defense they are partially right
they just left out the elbow grease part of the conversation

It has taken every thing I have had not to respond with this
If it is that easy..

How many languages do YOU speak unnamed person

started think why is it not that easy (but it is)

Raw notes from journal
From various sources in my memory

language
Native tongue

how do you first learn

Immersion theory

Picture the sperm meeting the egg and it grows dvided
rinse repeat

BABY

everyone speaking
gestures and bonding

(birth noises include)

associations form

Stimulus
Brain forms neurons

process of feed back
-words formed
gramatical structures

speaking is a different part
loop 1 stimulus
namer guesser

testing of info

Speech and hearing interact


of note

Deaf kids
Alobar
learn new languages (or dual languages
autistic girls communication


10000 hour rule for mastery

correcting math
24hours x 7days x 52weeks


8736

you sleep
avg 7

so leaves
17*7*52=6188

(for now yes dream learning and other stimulus still occur but going with avg parents sleep)

then it dawn on me

Learning the sounds of the language are different then speaking

uses more of the brain and different sections... work together time

(note with correction my journal entry is changing from original entry please forgive..)

We have the creation of a database that is used continuously

not to mention a compound use advantage
(for some reason I also thought compression of data)

stimulus
1-hearing
2-visual

response
3-speaking

Additional feedbacks form
more loops

Database grows

name guesser has grown as sorting becomes necessary

Reading
writing add more loops

You can walk down the hours and see growth
infants (sounds) 6188 hours (counting prenatal)
year one (words) 6188 hours
year two (which is the point of basic phrases) 6188 hours

then reading
then writing

some time in there art, math, music

Now this database is very important in language usage

We come upon the issues of languages
(Was humanity cursed with not only different languages but the inability to share - tower of babel)

what the training programs do is
add new parts to the data base

world structures sometime add in
They use the other neurons pre-existing

Now back to question

How would the spell go

taking advantage of natures work and operating systems


I will work on it.. very cool idea...
then you run into an idea or two
spell lasting effects

either way what you walk away from with this

The original question

if language is roughly acquired in this way
the more connection the brain forms on the matter the better

In Remote viewing they insist also on the drawing and art parts


I end this addition with but a single thought

A builds on b which c uses to construct d

solid foundation
leads to success


This segways to my response to CDT



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 08:53 PM
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reply to post by CirqueDeTruth
 


Well madam you pose me with an interesting problem

We gave our words we would not discuss Coven teachings

I have never bothered with most things in this area
Out of respect for those who did teach me I can not answer your question fully

with that said

Remember the discussion I had with an individual who claimed to be taught by five different traditions

Well there are only a few priestess who actually go through that process
and are allowed to

(few teachers plus acceptance rules.. and you know that)

So those who would have taught that POSTER would be limited in number

maybe that poster is able to share the time it takes for each step...
from neophyte to High Preistess

three to five is my guess but I can not give a solid answer

On a completely seperate point
COMPLETELY SEPARATE point

You have a good point
I need to include new definitions
after all I do have to give fair warning

Definitions-
Traditions

(forgive spelling)
Alexandrian
Gardenarian
Dianic
Their is a separate egyptian, but again rare (I have heard it some where before)
Hellanic (again distinctively separate)

I have heard rumors of these traditions
Summerian
Kabbalist (actually more coven not related to main church)


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Others who were guest teacher I cant reveal

However

In DFW you would be surprised at the wide variety taking place

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As for your other statements
I do apologize for being unable to answer your first statement over the traditions I was trained

Or the guest ones we did get additional training from


Now for the other concern

It is a big issue and I believe I solved several problems
First their are a few people who have bad intent
it comes from their post

Two
I wont be able to be their to hold their hands and walk them through the process

Three all the warnings I could give were their

four
You have a daughter you know how well people in general listen


It left me in a crux point.. What to do what to do
You see our conversations and discussions proceeded very quickly
we covered a lot of ground

So in my own nature
I gave very specific instructions

Impeccability

Now lets walk through this process I gave

POP Quiz

You see if they fail to follow instructions they know quite well it go boom in there face

So what instructions have they been given

Think back to the church example
Proper pre planning to go
what goes into it

So lets look at an average persons time
Sleep -7 hours
Work - 8
travel time- 3
hygene- 3 (from bathing to laundry
equals 21 hours

three free hours (yes the language issue popped about the time apparently you made your post)

7*24 = 168

five days of the week work

so we work the math a little
5 times 21 = 105
63 hours left
weekends
minus 23 hours from the manual chores
(remember they cant skip hygiene it was part of the instructions.. Read cleansing plus that self discipline word)

leaves us with forty hours
minus 14 for eating

26 hours a week left

How are they going to fit this in their schedules -
Those twenty six are spent over seven days

Not to mention stress.. from work - family coworkers

veg times
lose seven

this leaves 19 hours
now family time

other commitments
I would say what ten.. I'll be nice
eight

I am left with eight hours free

every week

Now remember this probably shorter.. (say sleeping in on weekends or days off)

they have to do people watching, journal, essay (which I have not seen any yet :mad
, look for lost items,


hey this is not done BRB

I have to take care of something

to be continued



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by twohawks

Originally posted by vethumanbeing
reply to post by CirqueDeTruth
 


Ive asked the same thing, coven and area of discipline. No answer; total disregard.




twohawks In case you haven't caught it yet, Rip tends to answer late at night est.

My question to you is "what diff does it make" too you personally. You qualify yourself as being practiced. If you are , you undoubtedly found your own pitfalls if in fact you practiced. Those pitfalls as it were were necessary to strengthen the mind., the spirit and the body to the path. We all experienced it, at least some of us did. We are in a new paradigm. One that works faster than twenty or thirty years ago. As are the new practitioners. We are dealing with new laws, not subject to the old ways.

Information travels faster. Problems can be found at your fingertips. As can answers. This new generation of adepts is not us, we paved the way. Open your mind to new possibilities, and new paradigms as you so eloquently posted you were capable of earlier in the thread.Cirque, you too.


So elevated as you are have some idea that "Rip tends to answer late at night Eastern Standard Time" What does that mean? Hes not working on GMT? Minion Twohawks; magick has no tyranny, destiny or time. I have never doubted my ability; no pitfalls and am a natural at what I do, whether it is fast tract or not, new practitioners can be thwarted as infantile unpracticed neophytes. Faster magick than 20-30 years ago? Really??? Never heard of 'faster' TIME WISE as a condition of a particular method. Same question; what is it? (yours) Information travels faster? You use what form of informational method? The cell phone a keyboard? Have you not heard of mind to mind instantaneous Telepathy?
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posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 09:50 PM
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Hello,

Firstly I'm brand new here and this is my first post other than introduction. You know my mother, CDT.

I wanted to reply to a sentence specifically in you recent post about using me as a reference as how teenagers do what they want to do. I have no interest in taking your advice in magick when I have my own experienced mother to teach me from what's right and wrong. I understand that I may not be the only teenager reading this thread it just poked me in the wrong way to use specifically me as an example to get your point across. Please let me say that I'm not your typical 15 year old and if you read my mother's posts you may know why.


On another note...I try reading through your posts and why do you answer in riddles?



posted on Jul, 19 2013 @ 01:04 AM
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I sent you a U2U message

I will have to finish the response to your post in the morning


As for putting my feet to the fire



I do apologize but an issue came And I can completely respond without a response

It is an additional issue of protection and cleansing I can address but it has to be dealt with a lot more subtly then I have energy for right now



posted on Jul, 19 2013 @ 01:11 AM
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no one is going to get mad at you dude

You can lose the attitude

AS for your question


I will take sleep time to answer it for you injured mind


Think about the differences between The generations and the technolgy useage

These changes have caused massive processing changes in the human mind

This generation and the two before it stand on the cusp for quite interesting reason.. I will only cover one

It is called game theory
and video games

The last three generations
have changed how there brains work

Continual game theory applications in virtual worlds and role playing
They stand on the shoulders of giants and are as tall

Their brains take all the information in faster and also have access to a wider range.. they are also better versed ingame theory decision making processes

thank to video games

So yeah it has changed because the time spent is different and the practitioners have changed as a mass

have a good night



posted on Jul, 19 2013 @ 01:52 AM
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I get a sense that the op may be very young himself. I Have tried to read the thread and it is in riddles, or conduits of expression. To read through 18 pages is mentally quite exhausting. I see it as drawing out serious practitioners and a bit of jest.



posted on Jul, 19 2013 @ 01:54 AM
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Thanks for sharing.

I am replying to flag and come back to this thread.

I am at the level where I can handle this endeavor. If you know what I mean.


Thoughts can take you with them.


AAC



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