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posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 12:11 AM
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LOL




thankyou for the laugh before I go to sleep I needed that..




posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 12:39 AM
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More childish non-speak.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 12:46 AM
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To the OP, please inform your readers to refrain from using a Oiuja board. This is not magic. This is opening a door for something to come through. You do not want this.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 01:12 AM
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That's an interesting post. I thought I'd say a few things as I've practiced witchcraft in the past.

First off here' my advice. Don't over complicate all of this. If you want to tap into lets call it universal laws, just use your imagination. Forget all these rules, spells, and all the other crap that goes alone with that. Just use your imagination. That's all you need to do. Imagine what you want, what you want for others, etc etc. And just create a vision in your mind of what you want to happen. It won't necessarily happen. Or it might take a longer or shorter than you think to happen. And it might take some physical doing as well. But now that you've imagined it, you know what it is, and you can start toward making it a reality. So for example maybe you want a new car. Well what color, what make, model, yr, what options, etc etc. When do you want it by? Etc etc. Now that you know exactly what it is you can start to make it happen. And ya that might mean you have to get job, because you have to save up and pay for it. But then when you do it's all that much more rewarding. Okay so there's my example of magic. Manifesting something into your reality. Again it's gonna take work. And it's gonna be more practical than all this hocas pocas crap. But it works.

Now getting into another concept. Well first off, my belief is there's only 2 forces. Good and evil. God and Satan. So anything to do with magic has to do with satan, the deceiver. And that's what magic is in a lot of ways. It's a form of deception. Simple proof of that is how it comes in so many different forms, like the author mentioned in his post. How does it work? Well it works (and not very often) but when it does by the help of demons. Those are fallen angels that are trapped within the atmosphere and serve satan. So say you do a spell. Well if done enough you're opening a interdimentional doorway for demons to come in and reek havic in your life.

So they might even start to grant your spells on some minor level where you think something might actually be happening. But there's always consequences. And repercussions. Like in the movie Camelot, the wizard Merlin doesn't use his spells anymore because he knows for what spell he does, he'll get twice back in some form of punishment. So it's ill advised. Plus you're in essence deciding to serve and obey satan. Which is evil, and actually can put you on a path to hell when you die. So I'd avoid that. But the point is magic works through demonic power. It rarely works, and basically is a pathway down to the dark side.

Here's my thought, if you want to experience real power, in a magical way, all you have to do is pick up a bible and start reading. All you have to do is get on your knees and pray to God. That's truely magical. That's where the real power is. And if you have some requests you can make those to God. If you need something you can ask him for it. Again he might not grant it, or might not in your time frame or way, but you stand a much better chance with getting something via God than via Satan, that's for sure. Besides the point is that you'll be aligning yourself with the architect of the universe. The true source of power. Life is just easier when you've overcome your pride ego. Anyway that's the ultimate mission of every human life is to try and relinquish there very self and accept God into there life and get to know him.

So all this stuff about magic just makes me laugh. Ya I've tried it once, in my teens, it was a very bad idea. But it did make me very aware of the spirit world. But if you want to tap into the powers of the universe, the best way is just to get on your knees and pray. That's the best way. Your then talking to your spiritual father. An entity that loves you and wants the best for you, not as in magic where you're tapping into demons that want to kill you and only want the worst for you. So anyway again the source of magic is demonic power. Waste of time. Completely wrong approach to everything. If you want something in life, just figure out what it is and go to work on it. Not caste some spell. If you want some back up, pray about it. Thats' the best and only course of action. But each to there own.


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posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 01:49 AM
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Claiming accuracy on an unmeasured dartboard of your own construction is priceless. I would venture that a bidding war would last a lifetime, were it able to be sold...

...now...

...there is gibberish being written (under your very noses)...you can no less 'practice' welding...you are either doing it, or not...step by step, dot point, spell casting is the antithesis of what is being discussed...art-life, or, life-art?

Master/slave/apprentice relationships should be taken as information exchanges...each his/her own master...especially without bavardure and kowtow to realmic creations that are completely unknown in scope (as if it were certification from an unknown master)...dribble...this applies to myself (included) but most certainly, to a Unified Practice of Madge Ick...also dribble...

That unmeasured dartboard must be examined for the knots in its cork (lowers the overall price)...but seeing as you (as in everyone, individually) having made thier own, for thier own examination...unifiability is misnomic...Comparative, unmarkable term papers - junk science...

If you do not believe you are living it, you are a slave to the practice of a blindfolded game of your own choosing (as it should be)...

Å99



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 02:12 AM
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My response is in the form of a quote from Shadwynn, from "The Crafted Cup" in relation to Christ and the Craft.

"As practitioners of the Craft, we have nothing to fear from the Christ. He, together with his apostles, consisted of a coven of thirteen. He was careful as a guardian of the mysteries not to divulge the secrets of his teachings to the uninitiated, but only to the inner circle of his disciples. He employed the techniques of divine magick for the healing and betterment of others. He aggressively lashed out against the hypocritical religious establishment of his day. he recognized the handiwork of Deity in even the most seemingly insignificant beauties of Nature. He shunned the self-righteous asceticism of religious piety in favor of eating, drinking, and celebrating the joys of life with the common people most in need of his message of hope. He instituted mystical rites designed to enhance our oneness with the Deity. Like Tammuz, he died. Like Osiris, he descended into the realms of the dead. Like Attis, he rose again, and like Mithra, he ascended into the light of the glorious immortals. For modern Pagans to refrain from embracing at least a celebratory recognition of his ageless significance with the highest religious and mystical aspirations of Western spirituality would be to simultaneously disgrace all the previous gods of Pagan antiquity who, through the process of theological evolution, were themselves assimilated into the composite mystery which is the Christ"

Christ Jesus taught the trinity - the triple nature of humans. Body, mind, soul. But also more importantly, our higher spiritual triple nature - the masculine, feminine and divine child within born in complete union of these two aspects of our nature. (Matthew 6:19-22, Matthew 3:16, Luke 4:18, John 3:34).

Christ taught us about the human mind and how it affects the health of the physical body. (Matthew 6:22-23)

Christ taught us how prayer and sound had sympathetic effects upon consciousness. Spells. (Matthew 6:5-14, Matthew 7:7-12)

Christ taught us how to call upon the essence of beings and bring it into one's own presence. (Luke 9:28-36)

Christ taught immortality of the soul. (John 14:1-4)

Christ taught reincarnation. (Galatians 6:7)

Christ taught clairvoyance. (Matthew 3:13-17, Luke 1:39-45, Acts 16:9)

Christ taught us about Aura's. (Matthew 14:34-36, Matthew 14: 22-33, Mark 9: 2-8)

Christ taught us about prophecy. (Luke 1:67-80)

Christ taught us that spiritual gifts were bestowed upon us. (I Corinthians 12:1-30)

Christ taught us higher communication with Deity in dreams. (Matthew 1:20-25, Matthew 2:13)

Christ taught spirit and Angelic communication. (Matthew 26:53, 28:9, John 14:26, Acts 11:12-15, 4:31, Luke 1:1-38, 4:10-11)

I won't even go into giving references on how he demonstrated how we can heal others with nothing but a touch. So, are we to be like Christ as he instructed, or are we to go against his teachings and simply worship him? I study the bible, and read the words attributed to Christ - but I think I come away from it with a very different message than most.


"Real esoteric Christianity has not yet been taught publicly, nor will it so be taught until humanity has passed the present materialistic stage and becomes fitted to receive it." ~ Max Heindel

Brightest Blessings of Light and Love,
Cirque



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 02:52 AM
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You're only proving my point that people involved in "the craft" are deceivers. All of what you said is just twisting and manipulating something that is of good, scripture, and trying to poison it and twist it to your own benefit, which is what witches do. Taking a few verses out of context to use them for your own liking is only deceptive in nature. But each to there own.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 03:28 AM
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Originally posted by spartacus699
reply to post by CirqueDeTruth
 


You're only proving my point that people involved in "the craft" are deceivers. All of what you said is just twisting and manipulating something that is of good, scripture, and trying to poison it and twist it to your own benefit, which is what witches do. Taking a few verses out of context to use them for your own liking is only deceptive in nature. But each to there own.


Wait a sec. I thought it was encouraged to study scripture, and draw one's own conclusions and draw inspiration from it personally. To have a personal experience with scripture and Christ.

Yet, according to you - I'm not? Or that when I read the bible, and the good I garner from it is false, because I haven't converted to the established order Church thinking on this??


To each their own, indeed.

Peace,
Cirque



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 03:35 AM
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Originally posted by spartacus699
reply to post by CirqueDeTruth
 


You're only proving my point that people involved in "the craft" are deceivers. All of what you said is just twisting and manipulating something that is of good, scripture, and trying to poison it and twist it to your own benefit, which is what witches do. Taking a few verses out of context to use them for your own liking is only deceptive in nature. But each to there own.


The 'craft'...lol...

High art and its poor bumpkin cousin, the 'craft'...
Careful everyone...that you don't become armchair origami experts...comparing monsters and marking them on 'composition, color, likeness, perspective...'

'My rooster is bigger and better than your rooster!'

Å99



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 03:44 AM
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the ouija board I believe is classified as a divination tool, which would fall into the magic category.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 03:47 AM
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Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by spartacus699
reply to post by CirqueDeTruth
 


You're only proving my point that people involved in "the craft" are deceivers. All of what you said is just twisting and manipulating something that is of good, scripture, and trying to poison it and twist it to your own benefit, which is what witches do. Taking a few verses out of context to use them for your own liking is only deceptive in nature. But each to there own.


The 'craft'...lol...

High art and its poor bumpkin cousin, the 'craft'...
Careful everyone...that you don't become armchair origami experts...comparing monsters and marking them on 'composition, color, likeness, perspective...'

'My rooster is bigger and better than your rooster!'

Å99


Hush now Akushla. I'm having fun!



Cirque



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 03:53 AM
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Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth

Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by spartacus699
reply to post by CirqueDeTruth
 


You're only proving my point that people involved in "the craft" are deceivers. All of what you said is just twisting and manipulating something that is of good, scripture, and trying to poison it and twist it to your own benefit, which is what witches do. Taking a few verses out of context to use them for your own liking is only deceptive in nature. But each to there own.


The 'craft'...lol...

High art and its poor bumpkin cousin, the 'craft'...
Careful everyone...that you don't become armchair origami experts...comparing monsters and marking them on 'composition, color, likeness, perspective...'

'My rooster is bigger and better than your rooster!'

Å99


Hush now Akushla. I'm having fun!



Cirque


Excellent!

I'm watching...


...but it must be said (and apart from the laughy and smiley ones having fun) there's a kind of titter that wells up when seeing the kids on the roundabout that are crying and just about to throw up...I know that's cruel...

Å99



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 04:48 AM
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Nice Chaos Ripper

You forgot something.
You can't forget and expect to have social dominance.
AND you did not respond to my points on world control ...
I was not splitting hairs, the “association of ideas", falls under the category of sympathetic magic.

R.S said the following “A lie in the physical world becomes an agent of destruction in the astral world. A lie is a murder in the astral world. This phenomenon is the origin of black magic. The earthly commandment, Thou shalt not kill, may therefore be translated into Thou shalt not lie, in reference to the astral world. The lie is nothing but a word, an illusion. It may do untold harm, but nothing is actually destroyed. In the astral world, every feeling, every idea is a visible form, a living force. The astral lie brings about an impact between the false and true forms, resulting in death. The white magician would impart to other souls the spiritual life he bears within him. The black magician has the urge to kill, to create a void around him in the astral world because this void affords him a field in which his egoistic desires may disport themselves. He needs the power which he acquires by taking the vital force of everything that lives, that is to say, by killing it.
That is why the first sentence on the tables of black magic is: Life must be conquered
What on the Earth we call feeling comes back again to Earth in the form of actuality, event, fact. The nerve-storms that exhaust man have their origin in the astral world.
It is for this reason that the Occult Brotherhoods decided to demonstrate and reveal the hidden truths. For humanity is passing through a crisis and must be helped to regain health and equilibrium.”
Other assorted points
VHB is not a troll, its rude and disparaging to resort to name calling (what would you expect your thread to fall to when you set an example). You bend the T&C on drugs,( but say you don't bend rules and could report VHB), don't go and tattle to the mod squad, any respect you have will be lost if you can't even communicate with your words wordsmith.

To other student of the evil mage (serious question not intending to be rude)....
When taking magic leassons from an evil mage and self indentity is a witch one cannot seriously be casting disparageing views upon occult?
‘I let myself have spell cast on me by an evil mage with a self imposed Karmatic null & void . But don’t talk about the occult as its bad’?
A question (related to your motives), why do you call yourself evil?

One must be ripe for silence.

Does this world need more self serving evil mages with whopping big egos and chloroform words? What did evil mage's do for the people of Atlantis? Are you here to watch things blow up in faces and laugh.

I reached for the top draw, but too late his words enetered my mind, fertilization had already occurred.




Sleep weal.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 06:27 AM
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Thank you,
I have it bookmarked to look at when I am not so busy with work


I never did dragon magic, just had a couple of encounters with one,actually once with an entire den of them.
When I was first learning about speaking with spirits,I had an astral travel where I was brought to a floating rock with several dragons, I was inspected
(brought in front of several dragons all who had their own magical symbol),
told I was advancing in ability. Shortly after I became MUCH more open on a "psychic" level.
So I know they exist somewhere.

Kind of crazy stuff, and sounds almost insane,but at the time I did not know about dragon magic,
didn't know it even existed until a few years later when I met someone who practiced it.

I wonder if he still does?

*ponder*



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 03:14 PM
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POP QUIZ

The Missing item

Construction of Book of Shadows-

Book of Shadows



A Book of Shadows is a book containing religious texts and instructions for magical rituals found within the Neopagan religion of Wicca. Originating within the Gardnerian tradition of the Craft, the first Book of Shadows was created by the pioneering Wiccan Gerald Gardner sometime in the late 1940s or early 1950s, and which he utilised first in his Bricket Wood coven and then in other covens which he founded in following decades. The concept of the Book of Shadows was then adopted by other Wiccan traditions, such as Alexandrianism and Mohsianism, and with the rise of books teaching people how to begin following Wicca in the 1970s onward, the idea of the Book of Shadows was then further propagated amongst solitary practitioners unconnected to earlier traditions.


First Decision
What goes in it?


Recommend
construct three at the same time

Spells only
Magical other
Financial


Now with that done

now if you have studied
you have secured location
Cleansed caster ( I recommend this first)
Cleansed location
cast circle

In the space you have set aside for magic
With the note of portable magic space for those who are forced to operated under keep silent

(keep those magical spaces cleansed)

Write out the construction process
note on paper

Environments issue
who has been in it,animals included as well as any other
history of the place
Time your are doing the planning
humans nearby

remember base details make no assumptions

Caster issues
Personal issues going on
Health
Financial

remember base details mna

With that covered you begin the planning

Materials needed
What is the BOS actually going to be made of

Bought from store
made at home
example- binder with inserts
Unless you can make the books completely your self (go for it if you want)

Writing utensil

Paper

have fun..

Recommend
I would say a pen with ink different then the color black or blue
Your mind sees it as different...
(Check color charts for meanings... hint... hint...hint..)


now if you have studied
you have secured location
Cleansed caster ( I recommend this first)
Cleansed location
Cleansed material
(Please note a lot of arguments over style occur here.. do you cleanse in circle or out of circle)


Write out you construction plan of the book of shadow..

(note you can use your journal for paper)

Also at this point you can use this as a break point.. be aware if you use a break point, at this point in practice I recommend recleansing every thing

then come back to here

You know your influences
Astrological
External influences accounted for
Internal influences accounted for

The books first entry

Cover -
beware of decorating the book
You or your book may need to hide


Top page

this is where I am beginning


Basic Protection Spell

I highly recommend using google translate and have the letters for some rare foreign language you do not speak
This is for basics..

(your conscious is being sidestep)

Write Basic Protection Spell on this page in the language of your choice.

Debaz Pwoteksyon korektè

now on the next page
You need to write your own little protection ward

Since this is basic
write paragraph or two covering (recomend pre writing preputting in BOS)

Who can make entries with your permission
Who can read entries with your permission
Those not approved book hides form
Violators consequences


Sign it
however you want

Recommendations
Write it as small as you can
use a magnifying glass if you want
Google translate each line into a different language mixing and mashing language

Example
តើនរណាអាចធ្វើឱ្យធាតុដែលមានសិទ្ធិរបស់អ្នក
ווער קענען לייענען איינסן מיט דיין דערלויבעניש
Kadtong mga dili-aprobahan nga basahon nagtago maporma
違反者への影響

kev hlub thiab kev thaj yeeb
केंट दीवारों


A note when when you close the circle.. after finishing this
I recommend

"Stay if you want
go if you must
harm ye none on the way"



Its a pop quiz for a reason
Everything you need has been covered in this thread
The resources have been mentioned throughout


(journal, hobby, definitions, search for missing item, usa magical essay, people watching.. odd all prep work)
You will need to plan this and plan it carefully

To Be Continued



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by Darkblade71
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Thank you,
I have it bookmarked to look at when I am not so busy with work


I never did dragon magic, just had a couple of encounters with one,actually once with an entire den of them.
When I was first learning about speaking with spirits,I had an astral travel where I was brought to a floating rock with several dragons, I was inspected
(brought in front of several dragons all who had their own magical symbol),
told I was advancing in ability. Shortly after I became MUCH more open on a "psychic" level.
So I know they exist somewhere.

Kind of crazy stuff, and sounds almost insane,but at the time I did not know about dragon magic,
didn't know it even existed until a few years later when I met someone who practiced it.

I wonder if he still does?

*ponder*


White bearded 'father', dragon spectres, spinning and floating wheel with 4 faces, a stick that turns into a snake...jungian archetypes...
The machinery required to 'conjure' whatever you want is operating 24/7...creating personal and communal bardos are the result (specific to the Tibetan Book of the Dead). Primary domain for these creations is the freak show behind the curtain ('I went to hell and met the devil')...secondary domain is the paperfolding tecnique that we conduct to 'raise' frequencies to semi-concrete spaces, by dent of foci (inherent in machinery).
That's the bardo experience, in a nutshell...bleeds into a temporally conditioned locus, an already concretised locus (dent of 'the word')...your hurdles are now solid, here...but, in a feedback loop scenario, the finer thought mechanisms affect that freak show, and back again (since we reside in both - essentially)...

Å99



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 03:29 PM
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Of note

If all the definitions have been done

If you have kept a hobby going

If you have kept the journal

If you have been looking for the missing item

If you have been people watching

If you have done the essay on us magic energy

All will be simple

If you have read the thread to date..

All the arguments and discussion will have given you an idea, a feeling of what some important things are

Think condoms

PROTECTION!!!!!!

Google and Bing have been mentioned
This means videos is an option

among those videos is hours of casters doing the work

ATS threads have been mentioned

Some different ideas on whats missing covered areas you need to know
some recomendations
meditation
LBRP

Entities
(I highly recommend only summoning the base elements the first run through for you)

Other poster do have knowledge- do not be afraid to ask for input

I will however merely request Post your full construction spell for review Pre-casting


So cleanse
Protections
Materials
Plan
Cast and construct item
Close (second cleansing optional)

Remember the idea in closing is for the new items to emerge
this is where the rubber meets the road...

Among the secrets to learning is listening

All the knowledge you need is present

Now I have to go take my pop Quiz.. seems the universe has a sense of humor..



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 08:39 PM
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Well,as a child of the 70s,none of this was as over exposed or exploited as it is now.
It's not as if we even noticed the subtle changes over the years,until they were sort of shoved in our faces .

The high priestess under whim I learned Wicca,is a pioneer ,and that entire group she was affiliated with,are the ones who made it ok ,to say who you are.

No matter what anyone says about Herman Slater,if it wasn't for Herman ,we would all still be "in the broom closet",so to speak .
Laurie Cabot ,of course did it her own way as well,but shes a bit of a caricature ,which makes it seem less credible.

My observations about the pentagram,and the four elements ,are of my own conclusion,from my being immersed in Asian culture half the time.

Nothing is more flattering that being emmulated ,but sometimes,its not always a positive thing ,is my observation .



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 09:16 PM
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Im not a troll, I am a believer in the disapline and if questioning your methods of practice (without any forthright answers) is negligable to you is not my problem. You havent explained yourself enough to me to believe you.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by akushla99
White bearded 'father', dragon spectres, spinning and floating wheel with 4 faces, a stick that turns into a snake...jungian archetypes...
The machinery required to 'conjure' whatever you want is operating 24/7...creating personal and communal bardos are the result (specific to the Tibetan Book of the Dead). Primary domain for these creations is the freak show behind the curtain ('I went to hell and met the devil')...secondary domain is the paperfolding tecnique that we conduct to 'raise' frequencies to semi-concrete spaces, by dent of foci (inherent in machinery).
That's the bardo experience, in a nutshell...bleeds into a temporally conditioned locus, an already concretised locus (dent of 'the word')...your hurdles are now solid, here...but, in a feedback loop scenario, the finer thought mechanisms affect that freak show, and back again (since we reside in both - essentially)...Å99


Temporary weakened condition, the freak show is the over abundance of Harry Potter and Hobbit type information that is being flooded into ripe exploded open melons; (minds) at this time. Primary Machinery 101 involves the subversion of that mind without any histrionics, its easy, its in place as in the thought "MAYBE I CAN BE A CONJURUR"; maybe you can do great harm to yourself in the process of becoming GODPARTICAL. The bardo is always a temporary state of conciousness, unfortunately, your not aware of when your in it and the results afterfact; when you reawaken can be detrimental to your mental health. Its all in the feedback loop, you keep refining.....something that never needed to be perfection in the first place.



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