this seems to have turned into a "is he a traitor or not" discussion (still wading my way through all the pages but have jumped towards the end). i
guess in many ways that depends on where one is or is and what country they come from. for those not IN the US i imagine most will go with the fact
that he is NOT a TRAITOR. in fact he may be considered a "super patriot
of the WORLD", as one of the things he has let out is that regardless
of if this "spying" is being done to US residents or not, that they ARE spying on EVERYONE ELSE in the world. in fact the US GOVERNMENT while
denying that they are spying on their citizens has ADMITTED that they are spying on everyone else.
while i don't agree with spying on us
citizens in the US, i even more disagree with them feeling they have the RIGHT to spy on the public citizens of the rest of the world.
for this fact alone i have to say even if he can be considered a traitor to the US government he is definitely NO TRAITOR to the rest of the WORLD. as
such the rest of the world should not only be applauding what he has done but should be doing everything in their power to protect him from the
that is awaiting him back in the US.
now many reasons people are considering him a "traitor" is that he has been traveling (as far as we know anyway) through "enemy" territories like
China (Hong Kong), and Russia. i have to ask where else could he have gone with less risk of being turned over to the US government? Canada? the
European Union? think about it, these are Allies
of the US, chances are ANY allies would almost IMMEDIATELY turn him in. therefore he really
had no good option BUT to go to and through "enemy" countries, if he wanted to stay free. as the saying goes, "the enemy of my enemy, is my
friend". just as if you were wanting to escape say China, chance are you would turn to the US or their allies, not go to Russia who would be more
likely to send you back, (kinda like how China sends defectors back to North Korea knowing full well the persecution that will be awaiting the
i will say so far i have seen NO EVIDENCE that he has let any "real" secrets out. ALL governments KNOW that ALL governments are trying to spy on
them, friends and foes alike. this is a part of the game of "statehood". what IS different is this is not about spying on COUNTRIES, this is spying
on EVERY PERSON ON EARTH.
THAT is intolerable and so we ALL owe this man our thanks for a job WELL DONE.
for letting us all KNOW
what many of us have long suspected
, but could never PROVE. now that there is the "proof" something should be done about it. in fact if the
UN was really about the people of the world, they would be putting SANCTIONS in place against the US for this GROSS VIOLATION of the citizens of the
worlds PRIVACY, until such a time as the NSA and like institutions are DISBANDED and not replaced without severe over watching of say a panel from all
other governments. the "right to privacy" is NOT only valid for citizens of the US, but are the UNALIENABLE RIGHT of EVERYONE in the WORLD. another
thought is that perhaps the "world court" should have to provide "warrants" to any country that wishes to "wiretap", intercept e-mails/net
traffic etc, for anyone party that resides outside of the country wishing to do it, with the same "proofs" provided that would indicate a REASON for
doing so on an individual basis.
in fact every government should be lining up and thanking Snowden for providing this proof and then charging the the members of the US government,
those in the NSA and those that work for the NSA on charges against breaking the different countries privacy/anti-wiretapping laws. not to mention of
course a class action lawsuit against the same for "invasion of privacy" on behalf of every person who does not live in the US, (say to the tune of
a few thousand dollars each), for this gross "breach of world privacy".