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Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by cartenz
Deflection attempt and failure on your part.
America .. where secular rule of law makes none of that happen.
America ... where abortions are not forced like they are in China.
America ... where you don't go to jail for writing anti-Obama songs.
China ... where abortions are forced.
China .. which supports North Korea starving millions of humans to death.
China ... with slave labor for policial prisoners.
Russia .. where you get thrown in jail for writing anti-Putin songs.
Russia .. where you get thrown in jail with no charges and no trial for years.
The most controversial provisions to receive wide attention were contained in subsections 1021-1022 of Title X, Subtitle D, entitled "Counter-Terrorism," authorizing the indefinite military detention of persons the government suspects of involvement in terrorism, including U.S. citizens arrested on American soil. Although the White House and Senate sponsors maintain that the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) already grants presidential authority for indefinite detention
This report published by Der Spiegel reveals the true face of the so-called “Opposition”, supported and upheld by the “international community” in the name of democracy. The gruesome details provided in this report on “the burial brigade” provide ample evidence of crimes against humanity committed by the US-NATO sponsored rebel brigades, largely integrated by mercenaries. A system of “burial brigades” for those executed confirms an organized process of mass-murder and extra-judicial killings. This single “burial brigade”, according to the executioner’s testimony, was responsible for the arbitrary execution of 350-400 people including “prisoners” and “traitors”. The “traitors” are Sunni civilians within the occupied urban and rural areas, who express their opposition to the rule of terror of the Free Syrian Army (FSA): “Since last summer, we have executed slightly fewer than 150 men, which represents about 20 percent of our prisoners,” says Abu Rami. … But the executioners of Homs have been busier with traitors within their own ranks than with prisoners of war. “If we catch a Sunni spying, or if a citizen betrays the revolution, we make it quick,” says the fighter. According to Abu Rami, Hussein’s burial brigade has put between 200 and 250 traitors to death since the beginning of the uprising.” The important question which the Spiegel report does not address is: Who is behind these rebel groups? What is the command structure? Who decides on the arbitrary killing of civilians, categorized as`”traitors”. The executioner is a young man obeying orders. How many burial brigades have been set up by the Free Syrian Army (FSA)? Despite the documented atrocities committed by the rebel FSA army –as conveyed in the Spiegel report– the legitimacy of the “opposition” is not questioned.
Syrian rebels say they are at a turning point in the two-year conflict against President Bashar Assad’s forces, and that for the first time they have an organized, unified command that will now also benefit from a shipment of weapons from the United States. The Obama administration decided this month to provide military aid to the rebels, with the first shipment expected within the next two weeks. Meanwhile, rebels already wear American-supplied uniforms, use American radios and eat U.S. military rations. The United States has also been providing $2.5 million cash every month, they said.
MASANJIA, China — The cry for help, a neatly folded letter stuffed inside a package of Halloween decorations sold at Kmart, traveled 5,000 miles from China into the hands of a mother of two in Oregon.
Originally posted by MountainLaurel
Lets get real about China too.....Our Corporate Government sold us out to China a long time ago....for God's sake, we have given them land, infrastructure and access to strategic ports on the West Coast and now our Government wants to pretend they are our enemy?!
Originally posted by WhiteAlice
If you're about to become public enemy number one of your country of residence, then running to those countries who have the least pleasant relationship with said country would almost guarantee that they would not be so keen on simply handing you over.
Originally posted by neo96
So Russia and China are 'beacons of freedom, and democracy and liberty' ?
Originally posted by Tykonos
It seems people are upset at others speculating whilst they are doing the same in countering others opinions.
Originally posted by sonnny1
First, you limited yourself when you said current Administration! Look at your own qoute.....
Second, Manning has spoken.
You STILL haven't shown those whistleblowers silenced! Wheres your proof?
I brought up gitmo because theres no American whistleblowers being held there.Its a prison. That is the one place if you go to that your rights really dont matter. Yes you can be burried there.
But you used the word killed.
Give me proof. Quit trying to play the Alex Jones game making wild accusations with no evidence. Why would I apologize for asking for proof?
Originally posted by zeeon
reply to post by imalitehaus
To the uneducated, it might appear that the US Constitution is the supreme law of the land.
Something can be LEGAL and still appear to be un-constitutional.
What the NSA has done (or is doing still) hasn't been ruled UN-CONSTITUTIONAL.
You and I may think or believe it may be - but as of yet - IT IS NOT.
That is the difference. Just because you think it is, doesn't make it so.edit on 26-6-2013 by zeeon because: typo...it's early
Originally posted by zeeon
Why don't you try using those logical deduction skills you claim to have. I'm sure it will come to you.
It's not that difficult to figure out. Whistleblowers and journalists have been doing it for years.
Case in point - Stuxnet and Flame. Source code wasn't leaked was it? Yet, we found out about it.
We found out about our nations Cyberwarfare capabilities. Yet, the *DETAILS* of how that technology actually worked - was not released by the whistleblower, was it?
That is the difference. Snowden released the entire program - not just the fact (with corraborating information) that the NSA is spying.
Originally posted by zeeon
Now you are asking me what I believe - do not confuse my personal beliefes with the reasons why we have PRISM / NSA Spying now.
I believe to spend billions of dollars to prevent something that I, personally, have a 99% chance of never encountering (terrorism) is stupid and wasteful. I was, and still am against the Patriot Act and the NSA activities - but not because they are spying on me.
I am against this because I refuse to live in fear of something that has such a little chance of affecting me, my family or friends at all, in our lifetime. I am more afraid of the asshole driver on the freeway on my way to work every day then some radical jihadist. I am more afraid of dying of heart disease then some radical jihadist.
Yet, *I* didn't vote for this. I shouted and told as many people as I could not to allow the Patriot Act.
My minority voice (minority in the sense that my opinion was not of the majority) was drowned out by the multitude of American's who were so scared of Terrorism that they allowed the Patriot Act to come into existence. The very same American's now who cry foul now that we know the NSA is spying on American's to prevent the very thing THEY ASKED THEM TO DO.
It so very hypocritical to see so many people in here cry foul at the NSA when it was they who were the very ones who brought this upon the rest of us. It's also so hyprocritical to see the multitudes of posters in here congratulate and praise a traitor who betrayed his country - the very same country that was doing the very thing the MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ASKED THEM TO DO.
I am here to explain to people that they got what they asked for.
Originally posted by thegreatone68
reply to post by FlyersFan
Exactly! It was cool when he told us. But the minute he told others he became a traitor. And should be hung or put in front of a firing sqaud. Its as simple as that. We should hunt him down and bring him to justice. So no one else gets any more stupid ideas and think they can hide in russia or china or where the hell ever!
Originally posted by Miracula
reply to post by NickK3
You know the part I don't get about the NSA monitoring is why they are doing the stuff in China and Hong Kong.
China supports us with North Korea. China put their foot down with North Korea.
I understand preventing acts of terror, but I don't get the NSA stuff with Hong Kong and China.
Originally posted by Kryscent
What i didn't understand so far is this:
Did the guy release only information related to NSA/CIA/other intel organization spying on everyone everywhere OR did he also release info that could potentially weaken USA's defense system [whatever that info might be].
If it's the former, let the guy be. If the it's the later, yes, he committed treason.
Half of the people using a PC already knows they're being monitored, and a half of these users might not care. [i don't see this as treason]
However only a very few people would care to know that the White House's fence is unguarded for 30 seconds on the left side, for a distance of an 1 inch. You can dig or jump in that place and then see the president in his pajamas hula dancing. [I see this as treason]
Originally posted by Daedalus
what FF was talking about is him allegedly giving away "state secrets", and "national defense secrets", and "hurting america"...when there was absolutely ZERO proof that any such thing had occurred, and trying to pass it off as verified fact.
Originally posted by thegreatone68
reply to post by Daedalus
Basicly what im saying is i really dought hes sitting in some room at a airport afraid to come back home for nothing. Somebody everywhere hes been has most likely took a look at the supposed laptop he is carrying with him. And maybe i am being harsh about hunting him down and killing.................not god bless america.we have no room for turncoats and traitors. Im sure he took some kind of oath before he joined those organizations.