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Originally posted by winofiend
Originally posted by elouina
reply to post by Yngvarr
Ohhh... I think this one will certainly do it. I mentioned in another thread that the Obamanites were angry. Wait until they get a load of this!
IMPEACH NOW!!!! That is punishment most fitting of this crime.
What good will that do?
You see, it seems that while everyone was not looking, communist china came along and said "Home of the brave, land of the free!" and sat down in the big chair.
I still find it absolutely unfathomable that they can justify this. My brain is swimming...
How can you fix something that has tendrils of sinister intent intertwined into everything you now use?
Originally posted by elouina
reply to post by Yngvarr
Ohhh... I think this one will certainly do it. I mentioned in another thread that the Obamanites were angry. Wait until they get a load of this!
IMPEACH NOW!!!! That is punishment most fitting of this crime.
Originally posted by Sankari
Originally posted by elouina
NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants - Angry yet?
Nope. I live in Australia. They can't tap my phone.
Sucks to be you.
Originally posted by tgidkp
Originally posted by elouina
reply to post by Yngvarr
Ohhh... I think this one will certainly do it. I mentioned in another thread that the Obamanites were angry. Wait until they get a load of this!
IMPEACH NOW!!!! That is punishment most fitting of this crime.
looking back at yngvarr's post, I was hoping to discover how this argument got steered toward Obama rhetoric yet again. but, unsurprisingly, it was our fair elouina that derailed.
am I angry and shocked about the surveillance? absolutely.
but does Obama have to be the focus of every single thread? you don't think there are people involved with this that have no tie to the executive? surely there must be. will hanging this one man really be effective recourse? I doubt it. (it would be interesting to watch, tho)
you are really undermining the importance of this information by pursuing your hatred of the president over the hatred of these abominable federal activities.
Originally posted by tgidkp
reply to post by Heliophant
you know I get ruffled? I suppose I must be an "obamanaut", huh?
or rather, perhaps I just prefer a nice clean debate.
....but I know how you love your mud-slinging. (making assumptions is fun!)
elouina says: "just fire them all".
that is certainly a more appropriate response, IMO.
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by elouina
Dear elouina,
Cell phones and phones are different, cell phones broadcast over the air and anyone can listen to them. Nothing you put on the internet cannot be hacked. Do hackers need warrants? If they do not then expect the government to data mine everything that is in the air and on the net. If you do not like that then use regular mail and a land line.
Are you saying then, that anything written on the internet, anything posted on the internet is excluded from the protection afforded in the 4th Amendment?
Originally posted by elouina
Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by elouina
Dear elouina,
Cell phones and phones are different, cell phones broadcast over the air and anyone can listen to them. Nothing you put on the internet cannot be hacked. Do hackers need warrants? If they do not then expect the government to data mine everything that is in the air and on the net. If you do not like that then use regular mail and a land line.
Hello??? Obviously you didn't read the article. This matter is so serious, and your argument so weak, that I don't even have to counter anything here. Just go read the darn article, will you?
Originally posted by Ex_CT2
reply to post by elouina
But ... but ... but ... didn't our wonderful heroic president just say the other day that no one is listening to our phone calls? And that we could trust our government? Oh my! I'm so dismayed and confused. Someone is lying to us. Who am I supposed to believe...?
If you do not like that then use regular mail and a land line.
Blaming the president is appropriate since I think presidential executive orders were given to allow the NSA to ignore the constitution and do their spying. Of course the president isn't the only one to blame, but we can't really blame anyone else for their executive orders.
Originally posted by Heliophant
reply to post by tgidkp
You do have a history of getting ruffled when Obama-blame comes up.