"Those who control the United States Government are up to something BIG"

Originally posted by Nucleardiver
reply to post by GrantedBail

 

Wow....checkpoints like that? That would be a big sign that it is time to vacate the premises. I felt the same way when I was in Fl and got out of there because I do agree that we are going to see a time of major unrest in this nation.

As far as taking on the full force of the US military I am quite certain that will never happen. I was active during the Clinton years when there was a lot of talk about Chinese troops and martial law and I talked to plenty of enlisted personnel and officers that said they would not disobey their oaths and turn on the American people.

The same is true now. I am a member of Oath Keepers and we are constantly spreading the word to active members and a very large majority of our current military would refuse any order against the American people. Also as the above poster stated you have to look at our history in Iraq and especially Afghanistan to see that small groups of guerilla forces can really give the US military a run for their money. We've been fighting bands of goat herders in Afghanistan for years now and still can meet our objective.

There are also a lot of former military personnel out there with specialized skill sets that would be on the side of the people that could organize specific tactics and strategies. Our military personnel are well aware of this and many of them would jump sides very quickly.

Just curious, you say there are checkpoints on routes leaving the country. Are you in Latin America?

edit on 7-6-2013 by Nucleardiver because: (no reason given)

It's set up just the same in southern Texas. 2 routes only, with checkpoints.

All the stuff in the video is stuff that has been happening. It's not a fear mongering thing (except maybe the added music for production). That's where we are. If one denies that, they are denying reality. In fact, what you'll find is that most people are too frightened to even comment on the events. They won't even comment. Think about that. They are too afraid to even THINK about it, let alone say something for fear of getting put on some damned list.

I disagree with the video on one aspect though. There's only one way out, and it's economic catastrophe. Weird, but that's the one thing that can unravel the strings. The majority of the populace is too scared to even consider what is happening. The chain of command structure is too strong for even most well meaning of the enforcement class to do anything.

reply to post by GrantedBail


I was wondering why you wouldn't respond regarding the source. Now I know why.

Either way the only thing they have done here is to take a bunch of news stories and compile them together with some terrible background music and smeared the screen with some GFX to make it more Dramatic. So why do all of the when the news speaks for itself.

Like I said before there is no new material. It is all a repeat.

By the way I do agree that OUR country is going in the wrong direction. There needs to be some Drastic Changes and if you are looking for those changes to happen within, and by OUR government you might as well just go ahead and put that in your " AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN " pile and Flush it.

Also I think it is fair to note that the people that publish these videos are the same people that say "You don’t believe everything you hear on the news, .. do you?".

reply to post by ShadellacZumbrum


I think you are being a little harsh. You admit that these things are happening right? What is wrong with putting them in one place. It surely does put two and two together. Does it not??

People should check out tarpley.net and listen to the last couple of Webster Tarpley's radio broadcasts, particularly his appearance on the Jeff Rense program. He thinks that the right wing of the oligarchs, the ones who supported Romney in the last election, are preparing to get rid of Obama one way or the other and install a military dictatorship headed by General Petraeus.

That's putting it in a nutshell. There may be different ways this could play out, but the end goal is a hot war with Syria and with Iran. They are tired of Obama's foot dragging on this issue. Benghazi and other scandals associated with Obama are seen by Tarpley as "setups" engineered to create a climate of disapproval for the President, out of all proportion to his real deficiencies.

Enter the New York Times . . . journalism or politics?

Tarpley points out that recent movies have created memes in the public's consciousness of assaults on the White House or the President. Lincoln. Olympus Has Fallen.

Facilities featured in the OP's video might get a workout if Obama is a-worded. And this could happen fairly soon. Russia is rapidly closing the "window of opportunity" in the Middle East/Caspian region.

Scary stuff.

reply to post by GrantedBail


Yes I do agree, But, it does not take a mathematician to watch the news.

I will say that there is so much in the news that is detrimental to the country that it becomes convoluted over a months period of time. Most people have forgotten that last month N. Korea was acting a Horses @$$ and then comes the Marathon Bombing and everyone forgets about N. Korea.

It is confusing for most so much so that they just go with it and completely forget why they were mad at the country last week.

That video is very impactful. Great find. Please please do not think it is too late. I won't quote the evidence on this (unless you want some of the studies) but over 100 studies( between 1972 and 2011) have been done on motivation and how external control affects this.

Findings consistently confirm that surveillance (yes they've done studies on this), being forced to do something (even if you like to do it or don't mind doing it), being evaluated, and threats of punishment reduced intrinsic motivation and peoples sense autonomy (autonomy and motivation go hand in hand). Having the freedom to make choices and having control over ones destiny, experiences, activities, and life in general increased motivation in all of these studies. External rewards were even found to decrease intrinsic motivation. *Ill explain this below as it might not be interesting to some.

Because these studies run the span of decades I'm sure this is known by those in power. It has been a slow process. Depression and anxiety seem to increase every year. It may not be a conscious thing the government is doing but rather an inner knowledge of humans in general - knowing that exerting power over others makes them weak over time.

I admit - i don't feel motivated to start anything. It's scarry. It would affect my job and At this point it would probably be socially unacceptable. That doesn't mean I would not join in but I admit my motivation for this has dwindled over time. Sorta - ill suck it up and hope someone else does something. I don't know how the 60''s started but whoever begins this will need to have a strength to them to overcome years of conditioning - to be persistant and patient and muster up any lost sense of autonomy and motivation. We know the more people who join in the more people will feel safe in doing so when the time comes because most are thinking it but few are motivated to act due to fear. Is there any strength left in the psyche of Americans to stop it. I can only imagine that if something isn't done soon our kids will have zero strength. Then it will for sure be too late.

* the above mentioned said even external rewards were found to reduce motivation. An example of this imagine you have a passion for growing vegetables. Your motivated because it makes you feel self sufficient, at peace, etc. someone comes along and offers you some money to do this (not your idea to sell them but theirs). The condition is that you now must produce x amount of food and it must be done in x amount of time or you lose money. The idea in here is that it takes the power out of your hands. If you were to sell them based on your conditions your motivation would stay in tact. I know a whole lot of places where the government uses rewards to entice people but those come with a trade off of control. Now it appears we don't even get to say "no thank you".

reply to post by ShadellacZumbrum


"now you know why"????

I didn't respond because I thought your question was lame. If you had watched the video you would have seen that most everything was sourced and anyone that has been around the internet community for any amount of time is aware of this. It is not my job to do that for you.

This was a video that put it all together.

In line with Tarpley's thoughts on a possible military takeover in the US, it seems clear that if the President were to be removed "with extreme prejudice", and if there were any suspicion at all that this was an inside job, there could well be large scale unrest emanating from the black community.

It is interesting to speculate on what would be the reactions of the other ethnic groups in the United States to a heavy military assault on rioting black people and the potential internment of black people in already built internment camps.

It brings to mind a variation on the well known epigram about round-ups: "First they came for the rowdy blacks but I did nothing because I'm not a rowdy black . . . "

Originally posted by Nucleardiver
reply to post by solomons path

 

I don't know what part you are implying was made up, whether it is the quote itself or whether Alexander Fraser Tytler originally penned it. However it has been accepted as being Tytler's quote since 1951 when it was printed on page 12A of the Daily Oklahoman on December 9, 1951 in a letter to the editor. The author of that letter was named Elmer T. Peterson and he attributed the quote to Tytler.

"Two centuries ago, a somewhat obscure Scotsman named Tytler made this profound observation: 'A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.' - Elmer T. Peterson"

The Library of Congress' Respectfully Quoted writes attributes the quote to "ALEXANDER FRASER TYTLER, LORD WOODHOUSELEE. Unverified." and as such most people including scholars and academics consider Tytler to be the contributing author.

John E. Swearingen used the first part of this quote in a speech in 1961 saying: "In a quotation attributed to the French author, Alexis de Tocqueville, the dangers of loose fiscal policy were stated as follows: 'A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury.'"

Regardless of the original author the point is still the same, I just choose to go with Tytler since the Library of Congress attributes the quote to him. I guess I do so for the same reason I use the Dewey Decimal System when looking in a card catalog.

Who cares who said it. Is it true? That's what we need to know. Somebody writes a letter to a news paper in 1951 makes up a bunch of nonsense because he don't want to pay his taxes, attaches some name to it and you want to accept it as gospel.

You guys get so close to the truth when you talk about TBTF banks and corporations who have leached off the commons for ever and then you veer off and vilify the poor guy getting food stamps because he's the ruin of the country. He's not the ruin, he's the ruins. The left over remains of an out of control capitalistic oligarchy that has taken over our government.

Wake up and see who the real devil is.

reply to post by okyouwin


You are so right. Some people just. don't get. it. It is because they are still stuck in that left right paradigm and being influenced by bs conmen and chain emails.

Why is it that people do not see the total and complete takeover of our government by the mega corporations. They are partnered together along with the TBTF banks. The revelations of the last two days should have cemented that stuff into peoples brains. The largest corporations in this country work hand in hand with the government in a quid pro quo kind of way. You gotta be thick to not get that. THIS IS WHAT IS CALLED FASCISM. It is not socialism, it is not marxism, it is not any of that. It is fascism.

Originally posted by Nucleardiver

I drive a 1984 chevy truck that cost $400 and my wife drives a 1996 minvan that we paid $1200 for, we don't have cable TV and instead rely on the internet to watch the news and our TV shows and there are plenty of times that I spend my weekends turning wrenches mechanicing on the surrounding farmers tractors and combines. Believe me I would much rather spend my Saturdays and Sundays sitting around relaxing after working 75+ hours a week but I realize that the only way I am going to ever catch up to that happiness I am pursuing is to work hard, sacrifice, and make my own happiness.

We make it just fine and have money put away for emergencies and retirement not because we are rich, not because we take the income redistribution that the government hands out, but because we budget and live within our means.

You Sir are so heavily indoctrinated that I don't see the sense in even trying to argue with you. Instead I'll simply pray that you find this happiness you're "pursuing", and that one day you will be able to rest.

reply to post by GrantedBail


Unfortunately since you don't know I will tell you. When you post something like that you are required to post the source. You might want to have a look at the posting rules. It is not for me, It is because of the rules. Not knowing that might seem a little lame to me.

I might have thought that anyone who has soent any time in the ATS forum might know that.

reply to post by ShadellacZumbrum


Seriously. Are you a rule monitor? I posted a video.

Sue me.

Lol! Talk about paranoia induced fear mongering. If anything is going to happen it will happen, complaining about it on the internet won't change a darn thing. Be content with your own life and live each day not expecting to see tomorrow because nothing in life is guaranteed. By living in fear of catastrophe you'll only lose sight of what's most important, your sense of well being.

Allowing external circumstances to effect your internal self is the highest form of slavery. Think about it, when you search for doom you're leaving the door to your reality wide open for it.

It's funny how people only want to look for the worse in everything when there is an entire world of bliss right in front of your eyes. Just look at how you all treat each other on this forum, constantly arguing and bickering about people offending you when you are all here for the same purpose. If you ask me the conspiracy theorists of this world will devour each other long before the government ever will.

reply to post by GrantedBail


Did you produce the video? Didn't think so.

There is no need to sue you. You have nothing I want.

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reply to post by EviLCHiMP


Well thanks for stopping by to offer your recipe for peace and understanding.

Do you have a theme song.

I am happy for you that you are not disturbed

What is this bliss you speak of?

I had a hunch earlier today about what is going on. Not sure where it came from, but there is a plantation mindset with the police and security, and military in the nation. Military is making lily pads, for example, instead of big targets like bases. That these gang member kids are hoping to ransack the country one day soon. Civil war I mean. US enemies sneer and state the obvious that the country is insolvent, and a foreign perspective is, do you know how countries care about their people when they are insolvent? They rewrite rules for control, and often surprise attack their own people likely to dissent the strongest. Internet helps them find out who. Those lists are camp lists for individuals who say no to a national breakup.

Granted, I don't have to believe what a country counter to the US thinks, but at an international accountability level, that concept applies. Assume that the rulers will cheat to maintain their upper hand over a country, even if they have to reduce a population. I mean, we are talking about the mind sets of a political regime that historically has opinions that abortion is a good idea, taking cuts in family to save money. They may carry that to country too, not necessarily physically but with the same mindset of canceling deals before the dependent ones are aware of their fate. Citizens are the dependent ones, and we don't know what is in store for us, if we grow or get plucked.

reply to post by EviLCHiMP



I agree with that Whole Heartedly.

That is what the media is all about. Taking life from you.

Because the media puts allot of stress on each and every person that watches it. Especially those that over consume the news several times a day. We are lead to believe that everything we eat is going to cause cancer. All of the decisions we make through out the day is going to have a detrimental affect. It really does nothing but shorten life expectancy.

reply to post by GrantedBail


The people of the USA need to seriously realize that there is no difference between the dems and the repubs - they are all working toward the same thing.

Then there are people like the opinion that evilchimp expresses - Who cares - I still have my gadgets - and drugs - and cheetos.......