Mike Zullo and Joe Arpaio prove Obama's birth certificate, social security number, and selective se

Because a racist Arizona sheriff is better equipped and more informed than the CIA, NSA & FBI to do background checks, right? over 75% of law enforcement are republican or conservative. Do you really think they would have simply looked the other way if they knew he was not a citizen? Do you really think they wouldn't have sold to the highest bidder during the elections....when the iron was still hot? Oh yeah, howz about all the high school and college photos of him that were released recently? Oh, and the people who went to high school with him that were trying to peddle photos on ebay? I guess that's all part of an elaborate conspiracy, right? Anyone who takes Arpaio seriously should really question their sanity and motivations.

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oh so 9 11 wasn't an inside job? and there was no gunman on the grassy knoll either? that's

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All those videos would be valid "if" the pdf was created with either Illustrator or Photoshop.
I'm familiar with both. Been using both for the past 10 years or so.

However if we take the document and open it up in notepad and do a search of the metadata.
there is no reference to adobe anywhere in the document.

Normally you would find a reference to adobe in the metadata.

x:xmpmeta xmlns:x="adobe:ns:meta/" x:xmptk="Adobe XMP Core 4.2.2-c063 53.351735, 2008/07/22-18:11:12 "

and especially if it was created in illustrator a line in the metadata showing it was created in illustrator

2010-02-04T13:32:47-05:00
2010-02-04T13:32:47-05:00
2010-02-04T13:32:47-04:00
Adobe Illustrator CS4

However what we do find in the metadata of the birth certificate is the following.

33 0 obj
(Mac OS X 10.6.7 Quartz PDFContext)
endobj

The program used to create this pdf was Quartz PDFContext. Not illustrator.
I would hazard that the document was sent to them. Then they scanned it using a mac.
Of course anything can be faked or metadata can be removed.

But now the question becomes. If you scan a document in Quartz PDFContext will it produce multiple layers?
We can certainly take a similar type of doc and scan it and see if it would produce multiple layers.
I don't have a scanner on my mac at home so I can't test. But maybe someone else can.

And I'd like to voice a gripe I have with the Birthers doing document forensics here. Everyone tries to debunk a single doc. But I haven't seen anyone attempt to reproduce a document to see if the results of the obama bc are reproducible.
There is no scientific method.
IF you're going to do something that's this serious do it right.

reply to post by flyswatter

Sir, you have not gone over the document first hand. Neither have I. Neither has the kid that made the videos. None of us have. That document is in the archives in the State of Hawaii. What we all have right now is (at the very least) third hand information.

Actually it's not a document.
The actual record is on film.

And if I'm not mistaken it's a negative film at that. And I think that's one of the reasons you see all that funky white around the text of the BC.

like the image below.
www.bookoflife.org...

Originally posted by WilliamOckham
Because a racist Arizona sheriff is better equipped and more informed than the CIA, NSA & FBI to do background checks, right? over 75% of law enforcement are republican or conservative. Do you really think they would have simply looked the other way if they knew he was not a citizen? Do you really think they wouldn't have sold to the highest bidder during the elections....when the iron was still hot? Oh yeah, howz about all the high school and college photos of him that were released recently? Oh, and the people who went to high school with him that were trying to peddle photos on ebay? I guess that's all part of an elaborate conspiracy, right? Anyone who takes Arpaio seriously should really question their sanity and motivations.

Both republicans and democrats have become mainstream and tow the same line with very minor variations/distractions in between. Both are globalists, both want the same thing.

Yes law enforcement is predominately run by conservatives, but they are republican conservatives.

I have also seen these "conservatives" tow the obama line in regard to boston and the birther claims that although accurate, get dismissed by the higher ups. Many/most of these "conservatives" also support arab spring muslim terrorists in the middle east.

Not a nickles worth of difference between the two parties. Perhaps before 9-11 there was!

Originally posted by doryinaz
reply to post by Bob Sholtz

 

THANKYOU, BOB!!! This is the most well written explanation I have ever seen! ATS readers....please read this, especially the link he provides. to "vectorpub.com", It covers every single thing that the misinformed have misunderstood...misquoted, and demeaned. It is the most thorough piece I have read to date. To those who bah humbug the need to be natural born...he also includes the wording of Article2, Section 1(5),of the Constitution of the United States, which clearly states: "No person, except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President, neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained the age of 35 years, and been fourteen years a resident, within the United States"....Your explanation is thorough, and debunks any argument on this thread....or anywhere else, that I have read. No more name calling, people. My point in bringing this to our attention is to open up our eyes. We have a HUGE problem here....one that has altered the course of our history. All the other "scandals", and the so-called murder of Bin Laden, (who was dead many years before the dog and pony show which was created to divert us from the disclosure of this fraud, perpetrated upon us)(and, strangely...all members of Seal Team Six who participated have since been killed, because dead men tell no tales), shows that our dearly beloved Republic has be usurped...not just by Barack Obama, but by the powerful hands the really run the show...unencumbered by elections, financed by shadowy means. I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK...DON'T YOU????

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you don't want your country back, you want it controlled by conservatives....apparently getting your country back didn't concern you when the patriot act was signed into law.....getting your country back didn't concern you when a covert CIA agent (Valerie plame) and her entire international network of operatives that took years to build, were compromised, harmed, or killed. .....getting your country back wasn't necessary when George bush took us to war using falsified evidence, that cost us trillions of taxpayer dollars, and thousands of soldiers their lives.
sorry buddy, your outrage rings hollow.

It's time to take back this country.

Native Americans, are you with me?

reply to post by hellobruce


Bruce, to clarify what I was trying to say, that the natural born clause in Article II states that to be eligible for POTUS, the person must be born in the country of citizen parents. It is well known and documented that Obama's father Barack Sr. was never a citizen of the US, therefore Barack's father was an alien, so that if the natural born clause says citizen parents and Barack Sr was not, then one has to conclude that they have decided that Stanley Ann alone conferred citizenship to her son, and that Barack's allegiance to the British Crown does not disqualify Barack Jr.
The Georgia ruling cites Wong Kim Ark as precedent for their ruling, and Wong Kim Ark was to decide if someone is considered a citizen, and that person had alien parents, and therefore he could be a citizen of the US and not eligible as POTUS.
This is why people were saying in the Citizen Wells webpage that the judge had made a mistake.
Now I had stated from the WND article that a number of attempts had been made to change the eligibility rules for POTUS, and it doesn't really matter if it was done for McCain, Arnie or if Obama tried to do it for himself knowing he was planning for a run, since he did try as Senator to back a change. The fact is, had there been nothing to change they wouldn't have had to try. Since Barack Jr had an alien parent, he surely knew his eligibility might be questioned.
Just because Nancy vouched for him doesn't mean anything in terms of honesty. She's a socialist and she wanted their man in office to do all the awful things he's done, and after all the scandals, people still defend him.

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You really have to be a special tard to even think his birth certificate was fake, but that’s what bigotry does to the brain, it make’s you…special !

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Hi Jimmyx,

you don't want your country back, you want it controlled by conservatives....apparently getting your country back didn't concern you when the patriot act was signed into law

All due respect, that person did not say such a thing in his/her post. I was very angry at Bush for all the wars and angry at all of Congress for the PATRIOT ACT. Does it mean I'm going to vote for the party with the highest number of members of Democratic Socialists of America? No, it does not. Joe Biden says the Patriot Act is really his anyway, so we cannot blame it all on Republicans. Democrats cite privacy violations but Barack still didn't put shut down Patriot Act did he? Patriot Act was to help put a stop to money laundering for terrorist activities, but this admin has proven itself to be above even the Patriot Act, and they even added the NDAA, TSA groping and other truly horrible things.
Yes, let's take our country back from all of this. Jimmy Carter was the first President to have definite CFR/TC connections, and since then, the CFR has controlled every Presidency.
Speaking of wars, current POTUS is using the old trick Democrats love, that is we must save people from themselves. And Barack went to Libya without Congress.
I think it can be said now that Barack has given much power to enemies, and it is likely that he never had the best interests of the US at heart, which is what the natural born clause on eligibility is all about. We know now that this admin manufactures all kinds of stuff, and yet people are still defending him and pretending he really has our best interests at heart.

Originally posted by grey580
reply to post by CornShucker

IF you're going to do something that's this serious do it right.

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Why is it unreasonable to make that same request when it applies to the most important office in the country? I am 60 years old and have my original SS card because I was told I had to have it. I can easily prove that and do it without all the smoke and mirrors surrounding this issue. There should have been no reason for there not to be a single document available for view by all American citizens who wanted to put this question to rest.

You are right. ALL PDFs are not the same. So why would they put a haphazardly done document image up as definitive proof of eligibility? The arguments I've read about deliberately goofing with the "birthers" ignores the fact that it is a felony to intentionally alter something like a birth certificate.

Ridiculing the young guy that did those videos doesn't answer his questions about document numbers that don't match up with form printed per year (I'm referring to the short form COLB).

No hard feeling, here. I just disagree with you. If I have nothing more to say, it is only because I believe this is an issue the seems to have no middle ground. You either believe him to be a brilliant, suave, intellectual or a shyster cut straight out of the Saul David Alinsky playbook.

Originally posted by research100

Originally posted by Magister
To all the "this has been debunked" 'ers out there, could you provide details please?

McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone. The US owned the canal remember? If it were determined that this did not constitute "natural born" then he would be disqualified.

Most of the court cases were dismissed for "lack of standing" or technicalities.

Zullo and his team are LEO's. This is the first time (at least that I know of) that LEO's are investigating.

HOW ABOUT DETAILS FROM THE AIRLINE ARCHIVES

Honolulu Hawaii to Los Angeles California: 2558 miles
Los Angeles California to New York, New York: 2444 miles
New York, New York to Gander Bay Canada: 1116 miles
Gander Bay Canada to London England: 2344 miles
London England to Cairo Egypt: 2180 miles
Cairo Egypt to Nairobi Kenya: 2194 miles
Total Distance: 12,836 miles

there was no direct flight...this would have taken at least 2 airlines and 3 days to fly there. so his mom went to her regular dr appointments and on a whim took this arduous 3 day almost 13,000 miles trip and had her baby in a strange 3rd world primitive hospital surround by strange drs and personnel.

Assuming that Barack Sr and Anna got a free 2558 mile canoe ride from Honolulu to Los Angeles, this brings the total cost of our round-trip fares from Hawaii to Nairobi and back to an underestimated cost of $958.00 for one person and $1,916.00 for two tickets. Adjusting for inflation, $1,916.00 in 1961 would be equivalent to $13,000.00 in 2005.

how did they pay for this when they were living on student loans?

But throwing all logic to the wind, and assuming that Barack Sr & Ann actually did fly into Nairobi Embakasi Airport, again, why would the expectant couple proceed to travel east 300 miles to Mombasa, instead of traveling west 250 miles to Barack Obama Sr's' hometown of Nyang'oma in Nyanza Province? If the couple were in Kenya at the time of Barack, II's birth, the most likely place for them to visit was Barack Sr's hometown — and not Mombasa.

So, let's assume that Barack Obama, Sr and Ann traveled to the the small village where Barack Sr. grew up — Nyang'oma, located inland near Lake Victoria. With the city of Nairobi 250 miles away, why would Barack Sr. and his wife Ann then travel 550 miles to the coast of Kenya, to have Barack, Jr. born in the Coast Provincial General Hospital of Mombasa? If you peruse a map of Kenya, you will see that traveling from Nyang'oma to Mombasa, a person will pass through Nairobi, the Capital of Kenya.

But Barack, Sr. and Ann Dunham didn't even need to travel 250 miles to find a hospital in Nairobi, because 37 miles to the east in Kisumu, the Aga Khan Hospital has been operating since 1957.

"The idea that his heavily pregnant mother (flying is not at all fun for pregnant women) would get on an early 707 and fly at great expense to some foreign country is ridiculous . . . Do you know how many different flights she would have had to take to get to Kenya in 1961? Honolulu to California, California to the East Coast, the East Coast (refueling at Gander Bay, Canada) to London, London to maybe Cairo, Cairo to Nairobi. How much would that have cost? And then you would be stuck having your baby in Africa rather than in a modern American hospital in Honolulu. Or you could go the other way around the world — it’s about the same distance either way. Kenya and Hawaii are more or less on the opposite sides of the globe, almost as far apart as two places can be. This is a very silly idea."

you CANNOT explain away the logistics

www.calldrmatt.com...

edit on 4-6-2013 by research100 because: SPELLING

EXCELLENT!
This is what an argument should be! Not just nay-saying or "proof please"!

Originally posted by Magister

These are vids of Barry and Michelle saying Kenya (Barry says country of birth) is his birthplace. That is if they work. My history with video posts is terrible!

You do know what a correspondence dinner is right? Basically a POTUS roast... Do not get me wrong I do not care for Obama's politics but these guys are barely treading water let alone making serious progress.

If enough babies cry out loud together in the same room, they can accomplish great tasks...

Some "debunkers" take themselves WAY too seriously. They are just as emotionally charged as the rest of them. When threads like this pop up with some new members, so do the same old cavalry so they can lasso the head and steer it into the ground.

What ever happened to open debate? Some posters need to relax a little bit with the ridicule, mocking and name calling, it's such poor taste even if you are right. If what you're saying is true, then why should you have to cram it down people throats?

The same people that call this accusation false and unimportant are ALSO just as ever present and passionate about disproving it.

Beating a dead horse? Just let the people discuss the topic freely without being pricks. Nothing ever comes to light anyway. Sad, power has corrupted the hearts and minds of men in very high influential places.

Criminals don't put other criminals in jail.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by hellobruce

 

Bruce, to clarify what I was trying to say, that the natural born clause in Article II states that to be eligible for POTUS, the person must be born in the country of citizen parents. It is well known and documented that Obama's father Barack Sr. was never a citizen of the US, therefore Barack's father was an alien, so that if the natural born clause says citizen parents and Barack Sr was not, then one has to conclude that they have decided that Stanley Ann alone conferred citizenship to her son, and that Barack's allegiance to the British Crown does not disqualify Barack Jr.
The Georgia ruling cites Wong Kim Ark as precedent for their ruling, and Wong Kim Ark was to decide if someone is considered a citizen, and that person had alien parents, and therefore he could be a citizen of the US and not eligible as POTUS.
This is why people were saying in the Citizen Wells webpage that the judge had made a mistake.
Now I had stated from the WND article that a number of attempts had been made to change the eligibility rules for POTUS, and it doesn't really matter if it was done for McCain, Arnie or if Obama tried to do it for himself knowing he was planning for a run, since he did try as Senator to back a change. The fact is, had there been nothing to change they wouldn't have had to try. Since Barack Jr had an alien parent, he surely knew his eligibility might be questioned.
Just because Nancy vouched for him doesn't mean anything in terms of honesty. She's a socialist and she wanted their man in office to do all the awful things he's done, and after all the scandals, people still defend him.

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Article 2, Clause 5 of the Constitution (Qualifications for Office) states the following:
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

The Constitution does nothing to specifically explain what "natural born citizen" means. However, as stated by Legislative Attorney Jack Maskell on November 14th of 2011:
"The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term "natural born" citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "by birth" or "at birth", either by being born "in" the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship "at birth". Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an "alien" required to go through the legal process of "naturalization" to become a U.S. citizen."
www.fas.org...

Text of the resolution for John McCain

Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen' under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

www.govtrack.us...

Originally posted by eisegesis
If enough babies cry out loud together in the same room, they can accomplish great tasks...

Some "debunkers" take themselves WAY too seriously. They are just as emotionally charged as the rest of them. When threads like this pop up with some new members, so do the same old cavalry so they can lasso the head and steer it into the ground.

What ever happened to open debate? Some posters need to relax a little bit with the ridicule, mocking and name calling, it's such poor taste even if you are right. If what you're saying is true, then why should you have to cram it down people throats?

The same people that call this accusation false and unimportant are ALSO just as ever present and passionate about disproving it.

Beating a dead horse? Just let the people have their cake.

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Why should "debunkers" be any more or less passionate about their belief than the "birthers" that are speaking their mind? A majority of what is going on in this thread is very civil, with some of it being very educating. Just because I dont agree with the thoughts that Obama is ineligible does not mean I do not respect the people who do agree with it, and in most cases, I see the same kind of respect coming from their side of things.

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I'm not ridiculing the guy.
I'm just going with what's been provided.
If this document was created in photoshop or illustrator then there should be meta data in it that is put in by those programs.

but it's not there and what is there is something different.

Could the document been created or edited in illustrator? Of course.
But we won't know the truth unless we actually take a look at the obama document.

There are plenty of sites like Politifact that have looked at actual documents of Obama.
www.politifact.com...

They have confirmed by calling Hawaii and asking if it's legit. And they were told it was.

I like the comment made here by Politifact.

If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State's office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies.

So think on this for a little bit. By saying the birth certificate is fake. Then we are saying there is a vast government conspiracy going on. One that involves not a small amount of people.

Are we saying Fukino is a lier? www.nbcnews.com...

"I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," she said in a brief statement. "I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."

I look at it this and how deep the rabbit hole of conspiracy goes and I'm like. I can't see a bottom to it.
It's madness

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Text of the resolution for John McCain

Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen' under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

www.govtrack.us...

That does not define what "natural born citizen" is. Getting into the legal aspect of it, it wouldnt even be possible for that to be considered a definition. You are trying to draw conclusions from this to fit the argument.

But yeah, the statement is factually correct ... McCain is a citizen, as he was born out of the US, but to citizen parents. That is a specific instance of citizenship that is covered in the Constitution. Still has nothing to do with Obama, and you will find no lawyer outside of Orly that would claim it does.