Biden: Jewish Leaders Drove Gay Marriage Changes

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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by Rocker2013

Originally posted by mikeone718
It all makes sense now.

Being anti gay is the new anti semite.


I think you've completely missed the point.
I don't think anyone here has suggested that, but you seem determined to express an extreme opinion through that assumption of translation


Actually no, I got the point. This agenda wouldnt be successful without the aid of the masters of the universe.




posted on May, 22 2013 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
This clearly demonstrates how one select group can change the way an entire country perceives an issue.

Naaah. It clearly demonstrates why Biden is just another pandering politician.
This is just another 'Biden-ism'. Biden is outspoken AGAINST Gay Marriage.
He was pandering to the Jewish crowd that was at the Jewish function. That's all.
If it had been a Catholic crowd he's be talking up the new Pope or something like that.
And 'Jewish leaders' aren't driving change .... ALL sorts of people are.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by Robonakka
Sounds like the Protocols of Zion are not that fake after all, doesn't it?

Dude .. don't even go there. The Protocols of Zion are a proven HOAX. And a darn poor one at that. A proven hoax that anti-Jewish people like to claim are true or that are prophetic .. but the fact remains it's just a bunch of made up junk.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Robonakka
Sounds like the Protocols of Zion are not that fake after all, doesn't it?

Dude .. don't even go there. The Protocols of Zion are a proven HOAX. And a darn poor one at that. A proven hoax that anti-Jewish people like to claim are true or that are prophetic .. but the fact remains it's just a bunch of made up junk.


Oh sure it's a hoax. If you do a little comparing it's a blueprint for what the Zionist are doing around the world.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by markosity1973


The point I was making is that the Jews, who were without a nation until post WW2 lived pretty much everywhere. They have seen the changes through Europe and the UK - maybe they are just trying to share some of that knowledge and insight with the USA.


They were not "without a nation" at all. They lived throughout Europe and many other places too.
Judaism is a religion and it's practitioners are NOT a single race, despite what some of them would have us believe.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by buster2010
Oh sure it's a hoax. If you do a little comparing it's a blueprint for what the Zionist are doing around the world.

Figures . Dude .. it's a proven hoax. No matter how much a person hates the Jews or Israel or thinks there's a shadowy zionist conspiracy to take over the world ... no matter how much a person hangs out at StormFront to get his information ..... the Protocols are a PROVEN HOAX. Deal with it.

ETA .. in the HOAX bin - ATS Thread on the HOAX - Protocols of Elders of Zion

ATS Thread - Protocols, fact or fiction
Referred to by management as nothing more than a 'hate thread' .. which is accurate.
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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 10:26 AM
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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 10:27 AM
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How strange then that some of the most prolific gay activists that come to mind are very critical of Israel and pro-Palestinian.

In SA we have the former anti-apartheid activist, gay rights icon and HIV treatment activist Zackie Achmat, who actively campaigned against Israeli products in local stores:
www.sowetanlive.co.za...

Then there's the gay activist Peter Tatchell from the UK, who called Israel's claims to gay rights a "pinkwash".
jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com...

Not too long ago I attended a speech by Judith Butler, who is a Jewish feminist lesbian, and very critical of Israel.
en.wikipedia.org...

The video from the OP is from the age of McCarthyism when the "pinko queer" threat was conflated with the wider threat of the communist enemy within.
Indeed, some early gay leaders were socialists and communists, which should have been their unquestioned right in a normal democracy, but back then there was a virtual witch-hunt (despite modern rumors that McCarthy himself was a closet gay).
Ironically, post 9/11 Muslims would very much be seen as the "enemy within", so if right-wing propaganda material is to be believed we should accept that too?

Of course there are more conservative gay groups, although few have produced such vocal and iconic leaders as the pro-Muslim left.
Perhaps the homophobia and Islamophobia of the pro-Zionist Christian right in the US has influenced the unlikely alliances.
Such activists would claim to be fighting for human rights and justice, and not for extremist Islamism.

Threads like this however reinforce my suspicion that for gay people to support pro-Islamic causes is like a turkey voting for Christmas.
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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 10:28 AM
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Naaah. It clearly demonstrates why Biden is just another pandering politician.
This is just another 'Biden-ism'. Biden is outspoken AGAINST Gay Marriage.
He was pandering to the Jewish crowd that was at the Jewish function. That's all.
If it had been a Catholic crowd he's be talking up the new Pope or something like that.


The fact that Biden was praising Jewish manipulation of the masses via the mass media... reveals that the Jews indeed control the media to be able to mold public opinion on homosexual lifestyles. Or do you believe that Biden was blatantly lying when he said "85 percent of those changes..... are a consequence of Jewish leaders in the industry."


And 'Jewish leaders' aren't driving change .... ALL sorts of people are.

In this case, ALL sorts of people are not the responsible for "85% of those changes. The Jews are.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 10:38 AM
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How strange then that some of the most prolific gay activists that come to mind are very critical of Israel and pro-Palestinian.


What does Israel and Palestine have to do with a thread about Biden praising Jewish influence on a certain issues.

Even on ATS and other internet forums, there are atheists and agnostics who are pro-Palestine....doesn't mean the muslims need to become atheists in order to be pro-Palestine. And then we have atheists who are outspoken against Islam... doesn't mean Christians need to become atheist.


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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
Or do you believe that Biden was blatantly lying when he said "85 percent of those changes..... are a consequence of Jewish leaders in the industry."

Biden is just being Biden .. talking without knowing facts and pandering to a group that he's standing in front of. This is how he operates. It's nothing new. It COULD be that 85% of those changes are because of the Jews ... but common sense dictates that it's not a Jewish thing ... and Biden has no statistical proof to back up his pandering. But anti-Jewish and/or anti-Israel people pick up on what he spewed and run with it. Not because he's accurate and can back up what he said, but because they agree with what he said.


In this case, ALL sorts of people are not the responsible for "85% of those changes. The Jews are.

Got proof to back up that statistic? Naaaaaaah .. didn't think so.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
What does Israel and Palestine have to do with a thread about Biden praising Jewish influence on a certain issues.


What you really need to be asking is ... what is Biden doing standing in front of a Jewish audience, praising Jews for supposedly being the driving force to bring about Gay marriage changes ... when all the while Biden has been very vocal that he's ANTI-gay marriage?? Seriously .. this situation doesn't smack of being just old fashioned political pandering to you??

Sure, some of the Jewish run media has helped bring about change .. but they are definately NOT the 'driving force' or 85% of the fight for marriage equality. There is a whole lot more than just them doing the job.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 11:00 AM
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Biden is just being Biden .. talking without knowing facts and pandering to a group that he's standing in front of. This is how he operates. It's nothing new. It COULD be that 85% of those changes are because of the Jews ... but common sense dictates that it's not a Jewish thing ... and Biden has no statistical proof to back up his pandering. But anti-Jewish and/or anti-Israel people pick up on what he spewed and run with it. Not because he's accurate and can back up what he said, but because they agree with what he said.


So when regular people claim Jews have influence on the media.. they are written off as "anti-Jewish".

Yet, when Biden, who calls himself a Zionist ,claims the SAME exact thing about Jews being influential in the media....that too in front of a Jewish audience... you expect people to to dismiss his claims as something coming from a pandering politician? Why isn't Biden labelled as anti-Jewish? Tell me.

Either the Jews are influential in American media... or they aren't.
When two opposing forces.... Biden (a self proclaimed zionist) AND so called anti-Jews claim the same thing... then its indicative of objective truth.... i.e - that Jews indeed influence the media and have shaped American opinion regarding a certain lifestyle.
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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 11:09 AM
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Because you claim that Jewish industry leaders are somehow responsible for manipulating gay rights to become more acceptable.
Unless I am misinterpreting something.

This seems unlikely considering that prolific gay leaders are for boycotting Israel and thereby a considerable amount of Jewish industry.
One would think that Jewish industry leaders wouldn't manipulate a movement into power by shooting itself in the foot.
Perhaps not all Jewish industry leaders are pro-Zionist, but a considerable amount of them would constitute the pro-Israeli lobby.

At least my impression of the OP is that the gay movement is somehow a Jewish conspiracy on the US, when gay people of all backgrounds were capable of standing up for themselves.
Maybe some of them were very liberal regarding gay issues, but for me it's not feasible to see all the social changes (especially regarding gay issues) since McCarthyism as the result of one group of people.
Especially when that "manipulation" has produced anti-Israel activism, whereas significant anti-gay rights groups support Zionism unconditionally.
Surely true manipulation would cut such anti-Israel gay activists down very quickly.
Whether the liberal Jews are hailed or seen as pernicious for their supposed manipulation, both angles should be seen in a much wider context.
Even in the 1950s not everyone supported McCarthyism, and anti-gay propaganda is still produced today, so despite more gay political rights "social changes" have had their limits, and even on ATS many people are still very anti-gay.
So the "manipulation" has then only been partly successful.
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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
Yet, when Biden, who calls himself a Zionist ,claims the SAME exact thing about Jews being influential in the media....that too in front of a Jewish audience... you expect people to to dismiss his claims as something coming from a pandering politician?

I say he's pandering because he's anti-gay marriage, so for him to PRAISE an audience (ANY audience) for helping to bring about gay marriage - something he's against - is strange. Don't you think?


Why isn't Biden labelled as anti-Jewish? Tell me.

I have no idea if he's labelled as anti-jewish or not. So many strange things come out of his mouth that I dont' know if anyone really takes him seriously on anything. I can't answer if he's considered 'anti-jewish'. I do know he's anti-gay-marriage.

Tell ya' what. He lives just across town. If I ever see him at Home Depot or something (and it does happen), I'll ask him ... how about that?



Either the Jews are influential in American media... or they aren't.

Sure they are. So are a lot of other groups. But to claim that they are 85% responsible .. that's just pulling a number out of his head without anything to back it up with.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 11:10 AM
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So whats wrong with being gay? Personally, I'm not gay but I could care less if someone else is, and proceeds to have homosexual relationships. And god forbid wants to even get married to that partner
! Who am I to say what someone can and cannot do in the privacy of their own home?

You are right, media moguls have been manipulating the American people's minds for a while now, but in this case they've done good. Hate is unacceptable. No one is exactly the same, believes the same things, and does the same things. To not like someone because they aren't like you is just silly.

Also tolerance isn't about absolutely loving everyone, it just means that you have to accept them as who they are.
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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 11:14 AM
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This stinks from miles.

Joe Biden is pure evil and filth, just like the rest of his "friends".



lol "you don't have to be a Jew to be a Zionist." No, only a complete @ss.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 11:19 AM
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Jews responsible for progress?

We'll take it.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 11:25 AM
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Because you claim that Jewish industry leaders are somehow responsible for manipulating gay rights to become more acceptable.


Well, I'm simply quoting what Biden said.... that Jewish industry leaders have influenced American attitudes regarding gay marriage.


Especially when that "manipulation" has produced anti-Israel activism, whereas significant anti-gay rights groups support Zionism.

We all know that anti-Israel activism whether coming from gays or straight people has really done nothing to solve issues regarding Palestine. It all begins and ends with some protests and some online petitions.

Regarding gay rights activists being pro-Palestine.... so what?
Muslims are also pro-monotheism and are in favor of ritual animal slaughter where Gods name is pronounced. It doesn't necessarily mean that they should be 100% in agreement with Jews on other matters, does it? The grounds for disagreement remains, despite the fact that two opposing factions have a lot in common.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 11:31 AM
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I'm not convinced that it's Jews specifically responsible. Hollywood is known for being a liberal place. Most everyone is liberal there, Jews or not. I'm sure there are conservative Jewish leaders elsewhere in the country who are against gay marriage.

Jews have always been leaders in the Hollywood movie industry, but they haven't always been too liberal. I remember hearing somewhere about how Louis B. Mayer was insistent that all his movies be the epitome of "old fashioned small town values", i.e., nothing controversial . Times change and Hollywood Jews have changed as well.





 
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