Biden: Jewish Leaders Drove Gay Marriage Changes

Vice President Joe Biden is praising Jewish leaders for helping change American attitudes about gay marriage and other issues.

Biden says culture and arts change people's attitudes. He cites social media and the old NBC TV series "Will and Grace" as examples of what helped changed attitudes on gay marriage.

Biden says, quote, "Think — behind of all that, I bet you 85 percent of those changes, whether it's in Hollywood or social media, are a consequence of Jewish leaders in the industry."

Biden says the influence is immense and that those changes have been for the good.

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Very, very Interesting.

This clearly demonstrates how one select group can change the way an entire country perceives an issue. The fact that Biden confidently asserts that 85% of those changes were brought about by Jewish industry leaders, reveals who exactly is behind those changes. These changed attitudes are then portrayed as "good" and "progressive" through a steady barrage of social programming aimed at everyday people. For example, Will and Grace as cited by Biden.

Changed attitudes towards this issue are not exactly a result of some special "enlightenment" or social "evolution" as often claimed. Rather it is the result of years of manipulative programming by the Jewish "industry leaders", that Biden speaks about. Peoples minds have been like clay in the hands of the potter all this time.

For perspective, take a look at this old video from the '50s that shows America had a completely different attitude on this matter.

Other nations in the world have gone through the same social change before the mighty US of A and without Jewish influence. Perhaps it is more that Jews are truly international citizens that they are trying to help the people of the USA see and understand the change they see in the world arena.

reply to post by markosity1973

Other nations in the world have gone through the same social change before the mighty US of A and without Jewish influence.

Examples?

Perhaps it is more that Jews are truly international citizens that they are trying to help the people of the USA see and understand the change they see in the world arena.

Not sure what you meant by that.
Even if they were "truly international citizens", why should they change a country according to what they see in the world arena. And how does it amount to "helping" the people of the USA? Did they ask for this help?

And what about other cultures that attempt to change the USA according to their worldview? Are other cultures also entitled to change the USA help the people of the US start seeing things the way they see them?

reply to post by sk0rpi0n

Biden was speaking Tuesday night at a Jewish American Heritage Month reception hosted by the Democratic National Committee.

If he were speaking to a Christian group he would have picked out something to praise Christians for, and he were speaking to a Asian American group he would have praised the cultural impacts they have given...

The fact is, he's a politician, and he's looking for something good to say to ingratiate himself to his audience. That doesn't detract from the fact that there are a lot of Jewish people in media and they are generally moderate and very supportive of equality - but they are by no means the biggest cause of the progress equality has made.

The power of the internet and the access to global opinions is far more influential. A homophobe can avoid watching a TV show for some stupid reason such as gay characters (how many times have we seen "boycotts" by the religious right?) but they cannot avoid the millions of voices all over the internet telling them they're being a little despot.

Exposure to different opinions, with people giving arguments and debates that these people would never have had access to in a closed religious community is what is leaping us forward in evolution and social equality in my opinion.

It all makes sense now.

Being anti gay is the new anti semite.

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Yep, same trick but with different actors. This news isn't new to me. I don't hold anything against people of the Jewish faith (even had a Jewish fiance at one point), but some Jewish organizations have their fingers in places they shouldn't have. Like the Jewish group in Sweden pushing heavily for more immigration. (As if Malmo's destruction isn't enough.)

This goes beyond their religious beliefs and delves more into their political ambitions. And I think it's very important that we on ATS can recognize the differences.

Originally posted by markosity1973
Other nations in the world have gone through the same social change before the mighty US of A and without Jewish influence. Perhaps it is more that Jews are truly international citizens that they are trying to help the people of the USA see and understand the change they see in the world arena.

Erm, I would beg to differ.
The UK doesn't have anything close to the level of Jewish involvement the USA has, but we are far further along in LGBT equality than the USA is. Much of Europe is further along than the USA too, and they do not have Jewish communities creating their media.

Coincidentally, we also have much less Christianity and Catholicism here, with less influence of the religious on government. We don't have politicians openly praising any God on a routine basis... The argument for gay marriage here has been nothing like the rabid right-wing stupidity we've seen happening in the USA.

I would say much of the world is further along on this because we don't pander to religious minorities. Look at the countries where religion has more involvement and you'll find death penalties, less rights for LGBT people, abuses of power...

Whether it's America and Christianity, or Pakistan and the Taliban - the more religious countries are seemingly ALWAYS behind the rest of the modern world in equality for various groups.

Originally posted by mikeone718
It all makes sense now.

Being anti gay is the new anti semite.

I think you've completely missed the point.
I don't think anyone here has suggested that, but you seem determined to express an extreme opinion through that assumption of translation

Sounds like the Protocols of Zion are not that fake after all, doesn't it? Seems like we were told this would happen and yet allowed it any way.

Reminds me of the movie "American History X". The jewish teacher spews drivel over and over until the kid starts to believe it. Then the kid tries to apply that drivel to his own life and it gets him killed. They appeal to fairness and equality when any thinking person knows nothing is fair and no one is equal. And it is that way because that is the only way it can be. Spouting drivel about equality and fairness sounds good. It is appealing. In paradise such things would apply. But in the real world they get you killed. The gays were helped by this drivel, and it is ruining our society. Which is what they wanted in the first place. Read the Protocols. They are over 100 years old. See what we have now and remember how it got that way. If they are forgeries, then why are they such an exact prophecy? How could they see exactly what would happen in 100 years if they are not 100% true?

Wake up people.

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If he were speaking to a Christian group he would have picked out something to praise Christians for, and he were speaking to a Asian American group he would have praised the cultural impacts they have given...

It is more than just praising groups for their contributions and achievements.
In this case the Jewish achievements and contributions happens to be their influence on American minds to accept certain lifestyles as normal. And its no big secret that the Jews are influential as far as the media is concerned.

The power of the internet and the access to global opinions is far more influential.

A media by itself does nothing to influence people. Its the people behind it who give media the potency to influence people. In this case, as Biden proudly states - the "Jewish industry leaders" have influenced peoples attitudes regarding certain lifestyles.... through entertainment. He says its a good thing, but I guess he also believes manipulating people into adopting a certain lifestyle is also a good thing.

Imagine the uproar if some politician praised Christian groups for influencing the public into adopting certain ideas (and no I am not Christian). If using mass media to promote Christianity is "bad", why is it "good" when the gay lifestyle is promoted? So why the double standard?

Originally posted by Rocker2013

Originally posted by markosity1973
Other nations in the world have gone through the same social change before the mighty US of A and without Jewish influence. Perhaps it is more that Jews are truly international citizens that they are trying to help the people of the USA see and understand the change they see in the world arena.

Erm, I would beg to differ.
The UK doesn't have anything close to the level of Jewish involvement the USA has

edit: sorry pressed to early. I had something written out, but decided not to post it

reply to post by Auricom

Yep, same trick but with different actors. This news isn't new to me. I don't hold anything against people of the Jewish faith
...
This goes beyond their religious beliefs and delves more into their political ambitions. And I think it's very important that we on ATS can recognize the differences.

You are right. I am not saying Jews in general are to be blamed. And yes, it goes against their religious beliefs. Obviously these Jewish "industry leaders" are not religious, but what exactly are they hoping to achieve by re-writing values and changing peoples perceptions of these issues? What good are they hoping to achieve by portraying homosexual lifestyles as "normal" and something to be accepted?

reply to post by Rocker2013

Whether it's America and Christianity, or Pakistan and the Taliban - the more religious countries are seemingly ALWAYS behind the rest of the modern world in equality for various groups.

The US didn't always believe that gay couples were "equal" to a heterosexual couples Refer to that video I posted in the OP. The very concept of such equality was the result of the Jewish controlled media.

According to Bidens revelation, the gay lifestyle has become normalized... not because of values such as "equality" and "justice" or whatever colorful terms they use to promote it with, but rather because of Jewish influenced media.

Originally posted by markosity1973
Other nations in the world have gone through the same social change before the mighty US of A and without Jewish influence. Perhaps it is more that Jews are truly international citizens that they are trying to help the people of the USA see and understand the change they see in the world arena.

edit on 22-5-2013 by markosity1973 because: (no reason given)

For two thousand years the group identifying themselves as 'Jewish' have been kicked out of country after country for the same reasons over and over again. Monopoly. Is it any coincidence that vast numbers of Americans cannot even identify the kabahalistic and Talmudic beliefs that they hold, without ever having opened those books? Where do you think that their minds have learned that nonsense? Why is it that many would fight for a gay to marry today yet denounce the very Saviour of their own forefathers as some made up delusion? All that Biden is doing is stating the obvious - the power of mass communication to indoctrinate new beliefs into an unsuspecting population. That unsuspecting populace grows to love and exalt what is held up for them to idolise, and in the process the charity and love of God is abandoned. Once the image was given a voice to speak , it was game clincher. Spoken words are powerful but images that speak seep into the mind, deeply. Our little children grow up with redefined meanings of words, for instance love becomes defined as tolerance. Once that word was redefined, we reason with that new definition. Almighty God even is then viewed as "intolerant" and hateful". Those who create images know their power. And use it. Jesus Christ kept asking his disciples "why do you reason?". He did so because their minds were filled with the words and teachings of the traditions of the elders, and it blinded them from the Truth standing and speaking to them. All they kept reasoning with were words and teachings given to them by Christ's adversaries. Today is no different, we reason with the very same doctrines of men.

"International citizens"? If you want to call people, however they identify themselves, who systematically removed faith in the world's Saviour from the western nations via mass communications as "helpers", then you must equate helper as destroyers. As far as I'm aware, they haven't redefined that word yet. Oh wait, yes they have as millions in our own land actually believe Almighty God to be Satan. Go figure. Look around you, whilst the youth on this board parrot their "enlightenment", the civilisation is rotting from within all around them. They can't even see that their "enlightenment" is pure darkness from the minds of men whom they admire and respect. And yet Biden praises this indoctrination and brainwashing. How desperately sad. Yes, His people die from lack of knowledge and understanding - all because they know not how blind and naked that they are. They know not the time in which they live and the time prophecied long ago to happen. They laugh at an image made to speak in Revelation and yet go home and flip on their tv and become hypnotised, ingesting the most deadly poison of all. They laugh at the Bible as a tool of indoctrination, yet willingly pay 8 quid to sit in front of the beast at the cinema.

You are what you eat.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
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Other nations in the world have gone through the same social change before the mighty US of A and without Jewish influence.

Examples?

New Zealand. I grew up there and without a word of a lie, I probably met 5 - 10 Jewish people in my 33 years of living there. They just never really came to NZ for whatever reason. NZ is well ahead on the USA in social reform. It was actually the original Tangata Whenua (people of the land), the Maori who were instrumental in a lot of the change of our ways back home - they made us Pakeha (white people) see that we had done wrong by them. This made us question lots of other things we do and ways we think as well.

Most of the Pacific Islands (Samoa, Tonga, Rarotonga etc) These nations have always been pretty relaxed on the social issue that vex the rest of the world. Not many Jew there either.

Australia. Doing fine with little to no help from the Jews again.

Perhaps it is more that Jews are truly international citizens that they are trying to help the people of the USA see and understand the change they see in the world arena.
Not sure what you meant by that.

Even if they were "truly international citizens", why should they change a country according to what they see in the world arena. And how does it amount to "helping" the people of the USA? Did they ask for this help?
And what about other cultures that attempt to change the USA according to their worldview? Are other cultures also entitled to change the USA help the people of the US start seeing things the way they see them?

The very same argument could be applied in reverse against the USA. Look at the way the USA interferes with everyone else's affairs. Do I really need to mention Iraq and Afghanistan? How about Australia? This very thread came up only a couple of weeks ago;
Ameristralia

Pot should definitely not be calling kettle black on this one.....

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Actually I think we are saying the same thing in different ways. What I meant was that nations like the UK and NZ have made plenty of social change without Jewish involvement as you correctly point out.

The point I was making is that the Jews, who were without a nation until post WW2 lived pretty much everywhere. They have seen the changes through Europe and the UK - maybe they are just trying to share some of that knowledge and insight with the USA.

I totally agree about religion slowing down change. People love the old 'God hates' line when it comes to resisting change.

Originally posted by Rocker2013

The UK doesn't have anything close to the level of Jewish involvement the USA has, but we are far further along in LGBT equality than the USA is. Much of Europe is further along than the USA too, and they do not have Jewish communities creating their media.

Really? You really think that?

www2.cfoi.co.uk...

If you can, try to find the Dispatches programme on the Conservative Friends of Israel which concluded something very, very different to what you think.

Not to forget of course the Labour Friends of Israel.

www.lfi.org.uk...

Oh and don't forget the Lib Dem one either.

ldfi.org.uk...

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All that Biden is doing is stating the obvious - the power of mass communication to indoctrinate new beliefs into an unsuspecting population. That unsuspecting populace grows to love and exalt what is held up for them to idolise, and in the process the charity and love of God is abandoned.

Exactly. The populace instinctively chase after things that are attractively packaged. The stuff on the media is just one example. When continuously exposed to programming that portrays certain lifestyles as normal and its opposers as "bigots" or "nutjobs", the populace adopts these ideas as their own point of view. These people are lost. They believe they are part of some new "enlightened" world that upholds (what they have been made to believe) values such as freedom and equality and justice... but in reality are mere hosts to implanted ideas.

And yet Biden praises this indoctrination and brainwashing.

Would Biden also praise Christian media for promoting Christian ideas? I doubt it.
His praise of Jewish success in manipulating peoples attitudes is simply despicable.