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Umbrella Gate...Marines asked to violate dress code protocol so President doesn't get wet

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posted on May, 18 2013 @ 08:04 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
It may not be identical, but (my god! I can't believe I'm doing this) are we, perhaps, splitting hairs?


Perhaps in this case the hairs do matter. Soldiers are allowed to carry and use umbrellas in dress uniform.
The Marines are not.

Therefore the Officer in the photo with the Bushes was not put in an ethical quandary buy being given an order that contradicts with another order or regulation. However, the Marine has been placed in that position. He is holding the umbrella which shows he has good judgment and probably doesn't even mind doing it.


Originally posted by beezzer
As a former member of the armed services myself, I just can't seem to capture the outrage others are feeling.


I am new so I'll say that I feel no outrage over this issue either. I do think that having a Marine hold your umbrella is something no self respecting member of the military would have a subordinate do - ever. However, I also know that Obama has never been a leader in the military and therefore his idea of "leadership" is a little different I guess. One could opine that the POTUS has never even really been the leader of anything before he got elected, always part of a committee, Senate, or Community Organizing group - he has never been a Commander or CEO.

I will caveat the above with the declaration that 5 years into his office he should start to figure out doing things like this make you look like a pompous ass.


Originally posted by beezzer
Is Obama a narcissistic egomaniac jerk-face? YES!
Is he the worst president America has ever had? YES!


I agree with you there...


Originally posted by beezzer
Am I going to get bent out of shape about the umbrella? Just can't do it.


I am not bent out of shape I just wanted to provide some background information regarding the differences between the different services regulations, and the subtle and very gray difference between the legitimate professional duties of subordinates and personal servitude. If anything I am saddened.

I served as a General's Aide - #tiest job ever. It's like working with the handicapped, their needs never stop. They work 20 hour days these men and women have hard jobs.

Then again I never met a leader of that level/caliber who would allow a subordinate to stand in the rain and hold an umbrella for them while they speak so they don't the royal suit wet.

It is simply arrogant, but I have come to expect nothing less of this POTUS.




posted on May, 18 2013 @ 08:07 AM
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Originally posted by redtic
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The very fact that you (or anyone) felt obliged to make a post of that length about umbrella-holding is very sad. Nothing personal, but just sad that it's come to this...


I did not feel obligated to take the 5 minutes to post that.

I am not outraged at his behavior I have come to expect this level of arrogance from him.

I just wanted to provide some background information regarding the differences between the different services regulations, and the subtle and very gray difference between the legitimate professional duties of subordinates and personal servitude (which is not allowed).



posted on May, 18 2013 @ 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by UsedUp
Then again I never met a leader of that level/caliber who would allow a subordinate to stand in the rain and hold an umbrella for them while they speak so they don't the royal suit wet.


What about both Bush's... they did exactly the same.... oh, that was different!



posted on May, 18 2013 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by UsedUp
Then again I never met a leader of that level/caliber who would allow a subordinate to stand in the rain and hold an umbrella for them while they speak so they don't the royal suit wet.


What about both Bush's... they did exactly the same.... oh, that was different!


Perhaps, I was not clear when I said leader of that level/caliber I meant a Commissioned military Officer at the Flag Grade level (in any service). I was not referencing elected officials but military leaders. Sorry for the confusion.

Real leaders not politicians. Hope that clears that up.

Also, regarding the Bushes, that is an Army Officer there. It is not a violation of thier regulations to carry/use an umbrella in dress uniform so no conflicting orders. It is not "doing exactly the same".



posted on May, 18 2013 @ 08:24 AM
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Originally posted by UsedUp
Also, regarding the Bushes, that is an Army Officer there. It is not a violation of thier regulations to carry/use an umbrella in dress uniform so no conflicting orders. It is not "doing exactly the same".


yes it is exactly the same, but the Obama haters have to hate.

It is also not violating any regulation - where does it state they cannot hold an umbrella?

Where does it state they can carry a set of wooden steps?
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posted on May, 18 2013 @ 08:25 AM
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With all due respect, I am unfamiliar with dress codes towards Marines.

But even with that caveat, Obama (who has no clue towards military protocol) has done much worse in regards to his obvious lack of regard towards those in uniform.

Welcome to ATS! As a vet myself, I welcome you and look forward to further input from you.



posted on May, 18 2013 @ 08:36 AM
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NOTHING they do is not planned or scripted. You may rarely catch them off guard with hecklers or protestors or a journalist masy slip in an off script question, but thats it.
So why would Obama have a US marine stand there and hold an umbrella for him?
It could be he was trying to convey a message that he was still in charge and had respect. I'm not sure about that. You'd have to really be out of touch to think thats the message that portrayed.
Or he was deliberately trying to torpedo himself and give a negative image as being effete and haughty. Why would he do this? I've long thought that Obama is scripted into making him be disliked so that it would be that much easier to have the people turn against him if a time came that he was no longer useful as POTUS. I don't think ofr a second he's in charge of anything so I don't blame him for Benghazi or the IRS or the tapping of the AP. He's just a dupe, kept propt up as long as he's needed.
And am I alone in thinking that much of the positive economic data thats been recently presented may be doctored? I just don't see an improving economy. We seem to be treading water well enough , not sinking, but not much more.



posted on May, 18 2013 @ 08:36 AM
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Rather than throw your collective dummys out the pram why dont you write a letter expressing your concerns on how you think this is a missuse of the Marines services?



posted on May, 18 2013 @ 08:39 AM
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Since the Marines have stated that the president and the Marines were well within their appointments, I'm going to go ahead and take their word for it.


The Marine pictured here is a corporal, the 4th enlisted rank.
Read more: www.businessinsider.com...


All this whining about the President's arrogance and the Marine's supposed duties, as if they did something wrong, makes me cringe. Especially the armed forces people who are complaining about being in service to the President.


And then, when I read this story, I got teary, because it showed me that the actual Marines (my brother included) make me proud to be served by them. They are not some arrogant group who would bristle at the thought of holding an umbrella for someone - ANYONE.



I'm so glad the actual Marines are not all whining and complaining about this.
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posted on May, 18 2013 @ 09:43 AM
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posted on May, 18 2013 @ 10:24 AM
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Those outraged are saying the difference is that Obama's umbrella holder was a MARINE (like that makes a difference). But when it comes right down to it, they are using this marine for political reasons.



posted on May, 18 2013 @ 10:29 AM
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Here ya go...




posted on May, 18 2013 @ 10:35 AM
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Thanks.

Again, I find no issue. I simply asked the question.

Now I really must scurry out of here before I find myself defending Obama.





posted on May, 18 2013 @ 10:39 AM
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posted on May, 18 2013 @ 10:43 AM
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umbrella bearers :

reagan = civilian
bush 01 = US army
bush 02 = US army
obama = USMC



posted on May, 18 2013 @ 10:43 AM
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Logged in just to post this ^. Nuff said



posted on May, 18 2013 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by ignorant_ape
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umbrella bearers :

reagan = civilian
bush 01 = US army
bush 02 = US army
obama = USMC



reagan = civilian
bush 01 = US army



posted on May, 18 2013 @ 10:54 AM
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reply to post by 33055
 


Enlighten me. What's the difference? Why is a Marine "special", in your opinion?
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posted on May, 18 2013 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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reply to post by 33055
 


Enlighten me. What's the difference? Why is a Marine "special", in your opinion?
edit on 5/18/2013 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)


I agree last time I checked Army, Airfore and Marines all make sacrifices so why should either one of those branches be held above the other?



posted on May, 18 2013 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by Echo3Foxtrot
WHAT THE HELL DOES PROTECTING THE PRESIDENT HAVE TO DO WITH KEEPING HIM DRY?!


So a marine would not protect the President if someone was going to throw a bucket of water over him, or paint.... or spit on him....


And those are completely different than the president standing in the rain.


Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by ignorant_ape
 

reply to post by 33055
 


Enlighten me. What's the difference? Why is a Marine "special", in your opinion?
edit on 5/18/2013 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)


As a dual-service superstar, I understand the pride of being a Marine compared to wearing a different uniform. The difference between a Marine and an Airman is pretty large. Granted, the sailors, soldiers, and airmen all have pride in what they are and what they do, but that pride and tradition comes nowhere close to that of the Marines. I could go on at length about it, but a part of me figures it'll be like talking to a wall. No offense meant by that, but I understand that you won't get it. You can't.
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