Originally posted by GargIndia
reply to post by JonDee
India temple traditions are import from Egypt and Babylon.
A lot of people migrated from middle-east to India in ancient times (specially mass migrations from Assyria). India did not have any temples before
The immigrants brought with them their traditions. When they came here, they adopted Indian mythological stories (basically their gods changed) but
continued with their traditions of temple building.
The indigenous system of worship is called 'agnihotra' which was done in the open or under a thatched roof - basically aromatic and food offerings
into fire with chanting of hymns.
Yes it looks like cymbals.
Originally posted by GargIndia
reply to post by coredrill
The stories of migrations are present in folk-lores and memory of people even if much of it is not documented.
I have talked to a lot of people of different castes to dig their origins. Doing it for last 20 years.
It needs to be done scientifically. This will require extensive use of DNA analysis and a lot of resources.
The Vedic tradition has four classes but no castes. Vedic people did not use a surname, only the given name. Sometimes a title was used like
'Shashtri' or 'Trivedi'. However title was NOT hereditary.
However there are many stand-alone castes in India that do not fit into the Vedic system. Great examples are 'Agarwal' and 'Jat'. There are many
There is a paucity of documentation as family trees were maintained only for the royal families. Family trees are maintained by Pundits in some cases
today, but these go to only 200-300 years back.
I have been doing this research wth my own resources. Government is afraid to touch the 'caste'. The politics is all about taking benefit of the
In addition, I have some powers (clairvoyance) that you may or may not understand.
No Garg. Not anecdotal evidences.
What you state is purely based on on Anecdotal evidences. Not from a Historical or archaeological or anthropological aspect at all.
What evidence does exist to link Babylon with India?
Are there archeological evidences particular to the Assyrians in India? If so, please provide them.
So, you are trying to bring in a whole new tale that the whole idea of fire worship is purely from the Middle East, from Babylon/Assyria and the Aryan
worship of Agni has got nothing to do with it. Maybe next, you will be claiming that the Vedas are copied from Babylonian or Assyrian religious texts
which do not “exist” now.
There is a difference between Folk lore and oral tradition. Folk Lore forms a small part of Oral tradition.
Religious philosophy, rituals, chants, mythology etc are passed down orally generations. Folklore arises out of the Mythology and History of bygone
I think you have not got the gist of how archaeology, linguistics, anthropology, biology, zoology, name it-any science work hand in hand to arrive at
a complete picture of a culture of a civilization.
Family Trees are just a modern construct. They don’t amount to anything when viewed on a Historical scale.
Getting back to the topic:
1. Are there recorded evidences, in Ancient Egyptian records (Engraved hieroglyphs or Cursive hieroglyphs or hieratic) that links Egypt to India? OR
in records in Ancient India, in engravings or metal plaques etc that indicate any such link between Ancient India and Ancient Egypt that proves that
the whole idea of worship in temples, or temple building was transmitted from Egypt to India? Or similarly, from Assyria to India? (forget about the
fact the IVC did have trade links with Middle east. With Mesopotamia etc, lets keep IVC out of it)
2. Vedic tradition did have only classes. Agreed.
But the titles were hereditary; a boy born to a Trivedi is a Trivedi. It became a surname since the boy will be taught the 3 Vedas and be learned in
God knows, how many of the modern day Trivedis, or Dvidedis or Chaturvedis actually know all their Vedas.