White Britons "In Retreat" from Minority areas

reply to post by skalla


that was hardly a fit treacle

I seem to remember some of your anti white comments as well
If I remember right you are one of those who claim race dose not exhist until you need to blame all the bad things that have happend in history on some one then you remember all about the white race
or perhaps Im wrong in any case it is far to late to be arguing with someone who is half cut
TSk

This is nothing new...we call it"white flight"...been happening here in the US since the 60's...

Originally posted by destination now
reply to post by skalla

 

I'm in Scotland..it's raining...and I don't get paid til tomorrow...So just wanting to spread the doom and gloom and boredom around

With the one remarkable distinction.. "To be in the rain and aware is a
world better than ignorant in the sunshine." Grandpa Burleigh
Now one more to seal the trouble-- no gloom can live long with that smile.
Thanks from a displaced corgi too long gone.
Back to the subject, we all somehow gravitate to our own.. for often no
better reason than easy communication. My dad's side of the family came
from Germany four generations ago and learned the language; and for that
stubborn lot it was a feat. But now we're as a society getting our fabric worn
thin and fragile with multiculturalism. Call Powell a racist if you like, but a
noticeable amount of what he warned us of is already behind us.

reply to post by stumason


Hiya Stumason.

I'm not sure if there has been a misunderstanding or not, or perhaps I wasn't clear ... from reading your reply to me, you don't appear to disagree with anything I've said.

Originally posted by stumason
What bloody history book where you reading? 500 years ago, England spoke English.

The OP's location is Scotland.

Manx Gaelic was still spoken five centuries ago. This is exactly what I am talking about - several cultures had a collision in the UK and now just about all of them speak English albeit with a few minor differences / terms of slang.

Gaelic is now all but a dead language.

Oh, by the way, the Scots went to War with England more than the other way around as they were allied with France and regularly tried to stir up trouble in the North to distract us from their French masters.

Which in no way disproves my point.

Despite the people of Scotland now speaking fluent English and letting their old languages go, and despite old 'Scottish' religious practice almost overwhelmingly being overcome by versions of Christianity ... people still defend Scottish and English history as two separate tracks. This just proves what am saying just a bit further.

Notice that you refer to English as 'us' and Scotland as having 'French Masters' so you identify with these cultures despite them clashing.

The history talk is for another discussion though I'm interested in what you would have to say. What I have been taught is that Scottish and English wars were messy with a lot of persons changing sides constantly with some amazingly odd events such as Kings claiming to be descendants of mythical figures giving them a claim to lands. Odd stuff.

As for the OP - well, can you blame them? I left the "inner city" for the country several years ago ...

I haven't blamed anyone. The only thing I've implied to the OP is that there is unlikely to be an immediate resolution or even a complete resolution within their life time. On a long enough time line, this clash is inevitable unless we accidentally nuke ourselves. That's depressing. The uplifting part is that, in theory, it will solve itself.

[quote[Call it racist if you want, I don't care and you'd be wrong anyway, but I as an Englishman do not want my children being brought up under the influence of another culture.
A strong percentage of your television broadcast is created by Americans. Your culture is already under the influence of other cultures. Gangnam style anyone?

With the internet, fast travel, immigration, and all the rest of the things ... you can't avoid this culture mixing anymore. It is here and now. The best you can do, in my opinion, is to mix with any persons who are willing and share with them what is important to you whilst listening and understanding what they have to say.

Yes, it is easy to say they won't listen, or they don't care ... but to begin with it will be small moments and meetings. One or two people crossing paths at a job now and again perhaps or sharing a class in university. It's a long road, not a short one where you push a button and all this fixes itself.

The reason people say 'there is nothing I can do' is because they don't see the longer path and bigger picture. They only see the conflict and worry about the things which are important to them fading, which can and should be understood.

Very few persons have seen the bigger picture throughout history. Ghandi for example wasn't perfect, but to think that there are now white persons that model themselves after an Indian is amazing. For better or worse, this person saw the bigger picture and echoes across history and cultures.

I have no issue being wrong or corrected, in fact I strongly desire it. So please, let me know if you have something to teach me.

Thanks.

Originally posted by destination now
reply to post by Panic2k11

 

Why should it be forced? As much from the minorities point of view in terms of schooling, socialising etc why should anyone be forced to live in an area just to keep the demographic equal.

I agree.

As a black person, I have come to understand that a lot of the unrest during the Civil Rights period was more about rebellion against the government FORCING integration than it was about "I don't like your skin color".

I say allow integration to occur naturally, if it is to occur. People should not be forced into it. But not accepting it does not mean cause harm because of it.

reply to post by Pinke


I appreciate the response and will reply more meaningfully in due course - it's the end of my night shift now though and I am going home to sleep. I just thought you deserved to know I read your response and, largely, we're on the same page it seems

Laters!

I remember when I lived in Bournemouth. We lived in a former council house that my ex husband had bought years prior. The majority of houses on the street were similar: former council houses now owned by their tenants. Only three were left that were owned by the council.

The three left eventually gained new tenants as the old ones died or moved on. The first to come were a Pakistani family. After the second one became vacant, another Asian family was moved in. Then the final one became vacant, and that was also occupied by another Asian family. My ex found this odd, since the area had very few Asians in it. So he called the council and asked about it. After arguing and prodding the woman on the phone, he found out that, due to the neighborhood being "demographically too white" or some other bollocks, the council decided to put Asians in all three houses for the sake of diversity.

This isn't the only example of this I found. While driving through the Rhondda Valley in Wales, were surprised to enter a couple of pretty remote Welsh villages that had an unusual amount of non-Britons living in them, despite that these places were generally economically stagnant, often remote villages far away from urban centers and such. Eventually, my ex discovered that there was a drive to house new immigrants and non British subjects in more rural areas, because rural Briton was deemed too "white", and they wanted to diversify.

This crap has to stop. Forcing integration is sanctimonious, self-righteous, and just plain wrong. Forcing people of vastly different cultural and ethnic backgrounds to suddenly co-exist to achieve some illusion of diversity will end up producing the opposite effects.

Social engineering. Bad, bad idea, no matter what angle you look at it.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

Forcing integration is sanctimonious, self-righteous, and just plain wrong. Forcing people of vastly different cultural and ethnic backgrounds to suddenly co-exist to achieve some illusion of diversity will end up producing the opposite effects.

Social engineering. Bad, bad idea, no matter what angle you look at it.

BINGO! WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS! You have to understand the long view of history. As people of Europe were separated from their Empires, they took sympathy with the people in foreign lands being exploited. Not just Europe, but America too.

It was people who didn't deal with people of certain ethnic backgrounds, who sympathized with them. This age is about ensuring that sympathy dies totally within a generation. That sympathy significantly hurt the profits, wealth, power and ambition of the monied classes.


I grow tired of this though, for years I could easily see the writing on the wall. It is being done so utterly flawless, that only a total psychopath or sociopath could be immune to the programming. Psychopaths and Sociopaths represent the number one threat to the monied class, the threat of usurpers.

I am all for a multi racial, social and cultural society.

But..

That acceptance comes with the following criteria -

That the aforementioned racially, culturally and socially different do not try and usurpe the established society and culture thats in place and replace it with their own and that they intergrate themselves completely.
What they do behind closed doors is up to them.

Whats happening in the UK at the moment is a cultural genocide, which as the current government has done nothing to stop it, means it sees nothing wrong with whats happening.

White English families are finding themselves forced to live in areas where being white, anglo saxon and christian makes them a minority in their own country.

And when the foreigners don't assimilate, they stay on the low end of the economic spectrum, and the areas turn into ghettos. Keeping pockets of the old culture alive really means you didn't want to become a Briton, just wanted to leave the old country and take advantage of SOME of what's available in the new country.... social welfare programs. Higher birth rates, lack of assimilation..... slow motion invasion from the bottom up.

Originally posted by skalla
reply to post by destination now

 

it's bank holiday monday and the sun is out... and you are banging on about the "pc agenda"

i hope to god you are on a smart phone in a beer garden or park - please tell me you are.

if you are not, please adjust your own agenda.. ie turn that computer off and get outside for a pint goddammit!

yes, i am on my phone, at ze pub, and i am drinking

But but but.. you're still on ATS.

?!

oO

Originally posted by midicon
Its too late anyway...the damage is done.

That, is the truth.

All the back and forth and sneak quips about "you whites, so ig'nant.." is meaningless.

It's done. What is left is the mess we all have to live with, and maybe wonder where all this harmony is, that was spread about the multitude of cultures forced to live within a small area.

Having never lived or even been to Briton I can't comment on internal migration patterns but the N.Y Caribbean communities move about in this fashion, the first generation congregate in Brooklyn,typically they get into health care,domestic services ie cleaning other folks homes, restaurants owners,car repairs etc the kids usually go to collage,by that time the parents bought a home in Queens for some reason,their kids move to West Chester or Long Island others join African Americans in upper crusty and middle class black neighborhoods in places like Atlanta and Florida all of this without worrying whether or not they have black neighbors as long as there is a place they can get beef patties and curry goat,but recently in traditional minority neighborhoods Whites fleeing high rent in Manhattan are moving into these neighbor hoods it was a surprise at how much my old neighbor hood changed on my last visit...

Originally posted by ZeroReady
How can anyone possibly be upset about non-whites moving into the British empire and bringing their culture with them? The British have been doing that for 500 years!

Does no one here understand the effects that white European colonialism had on the world?

The British have colonized every major landmass on Earth, bringing their racist, elitist, "we're doing the world a favor" attitude with them, and subjugating whoever they can along the way.

I contend that we are the finest race in the world and that the more of the world we inhabit the better it is for the human race. Just fancy those parts that are at present inhabited by the most despicable specimens of human beings what an alteration there would be if they were brought under Anglo-Saxon influence, look again at the extra employment a new country added to our dominions gives.

- Cecil Rhodes, British Diamond Magnate, 1871

That's the attitude that GB has had about the rest of the world forever. Now you're upset that you're the ones being colonized?!
Get off your high horse and integrate already.

Yet you're HAPPY to speak ENGLISH. Cherry pick much?

Originally posted by ZeroReady
That's the attitude that GB has had about the rest of the world forever. Now you're upset that you're the ones being colonized?!
Get off your high horse and integrate already.

They are the ones entering Britain freely.

Therefore, they are the ones who should be willing to integrate and asimilate themselves to the culture and society that has opened it's door's and social security to them..

However, it much easier hiding in a ghetto in Bradford or Birmingham where you can spend the rest of your life without having to speak English, until of course comes the inevitable and unavoidable times when they want yet another handout from the state, then the English just flows from their tongues...

Originally posted by andy1972

Originally posted by CallYourBluff
That's the attitude that GB has had about the rest of the world forever. Now you're upset that you're the ones being colonized?!
Get off your high horse and integrate already.

They are the ones entering Britain freely.

Therefore, they are the ones who should be willing to integrate and asimilate themselves to the culture and society that has opened it's door's and social security to them..

However, it much easier hiding in a ghetto in Bradford or Birmingham where you can spend the rest of your life without having to speak English, until of course comes the inevitable and unavoidable times when they want yet another handout from the state, then the English just flows from their tongues...

That's not my comment.

Originally posted by Spider879
Having never lived or even been to Briton I can't comment on internal migration patterns but the N.Y Caribbean communities move about in this fashion, the first generation congregate in Brooklyn,typically they get into health care,domestic services ie cleaning other folks homes, restaurants owners,car repairs etc the kids usually go to collage,by that time the parents bought a home in Queens for some reason,their kids move to West Chester or Long Island others join African Americans in upper crusty and middle class black neighborhoods in places like Atlanta and Florida all of this without worrying whether or not they have black neighbors as long as there is a place they can get beef patties and curry goat,but recently in traditional minority neighborhoods Whites fleeing high rent in Manhattan are moving into these neighbor hoods it was a surprise at how much my old neighbor hood changed on my last visit...

edit on 7-5-2013 by Spider879 because: (no reason given)

Having never lived or even been to Briton

It's Britain..

kids usually go to collage,

How does one go to something that is bits of paper, sprinkles and glue?
/sarcasm

I see what you're trying to say, which, I presume is that whites want to move back into the "ethnic" neighbourhoods due to spiraling real estate prices, but the article I have posted is about the alleged issue of British White people not wanting to live in ethnic neighbourhoods, which are currently at the lower end of the house price index, so not really getting your point.

reply to post by derfreebie

To be in the rain and aware is a
world better than ignorant in the sunshine." Grandpa Burleigh
Now one more to seal the trouble-- no gloom can live long with that smile.

I love the rain...walking along the beach with the rain on my face is one of my favourite things..which is probably a good thing seeing as | live in the west coast of Scotland...

And thanks for the smile compliment...smiling is just as much fun as walking along the beach in the rain..got to do it every day..it makes life more awesome (sorry to all you people out there who don't have a beach and don't get rain for as many days of the year as Scotland does) But you can still smile

White girls don't go! please stay!

Originally posted by CallYourBluff

Originally posted by andy1972

Originally posted by CallYourBluff
That's the attitude that GB has had about the rest of the world forever. Now you're upset that you're the ones being colonized?!
Get off your high horse and integrate already.

They are the ones entering Britain freely.

Therefore, they are the ones who should be willing to integrate and asimilate themselves to the culture and society that has opened it's door's and social security to them..

However, it much easier hiding in a ghetto in Bradford or Birmingham where you can spend the rest of your life without having to speak English, until of course comes the inevitable and unavoidable times when they want yet another handout from the state, then the English just flows from their tongues...

That's not my comment.

No, its Zeroready...badly snipped by me...sorry..
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