White Britons "In Retreat" from Minority areas

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posted on May, 6 2013 @ 05:18 AM
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Apparently the think tank Demos have conducted a survey showing that white Britons are moving away from areas that are mostly inhabited by ethnic minorities. They say this is a worrying trend and is reducing the opportunity for integration.


A "retreat" of white Britons from areas where minorities live is limiting cultural integration, according to research by think tank Demos. Analysis of the 2011 census shows that 45% of ethnic minorities in England and Wales live in areas where less than half the population is white British, while 41% live in wards that are less than half white. Trevor Phillips, former chairman of the Equalities Commission and Demos Associate, said white Britons choosing not to live in minority-dominated areas "ought to make us a little anxious". He said: "This very interesting piece of research reveals a number of vital findings about how people in England and Wales are living together. "What ought to make us a little anxious is the 'majority retreat' it has unearthed - white people leaving minority-led areas and not being replaced - which isn't good news for the cause of integration."

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This approach seems to land the blame for this on white British people, when in fact, many ethnic minorities would rather not integrate and prefer to live in their own communities.

So what say you ATS, is this a problem that needs to be addressed, or is it more of the PC agenda, which has no grounding in reality




posted on May, 6 2013 @ 05:25 AM
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Originally posted by destination now
So what say you ATS, is this a problem that needs to be addressed, or is it more of the PC agenda, which has no grounding in reality

It's a problem that pretty much solves itself in the end when you think about it.

If we like it or not it doesn't matter, eventually people are going to integrate and eventually it's going to be normal unless some world ending event happens.
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posted on May, 6 2013 @ 05:26 AM
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Whites in the UK are just NOW leaving minority areas?

You guys are lucky.

Whites in the US left minority areas 50 years ago...


They even coined a phrase for it: White flight.

*For the benefit of our more mentally challenged members, I was employing a tactic sometimes referred to as sarcasm.

"Deny ignorance".

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posted on May, 6 2013 @ 05:27 AM
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Integration has to be partially forced, sadly but human nature abhors change and difference. In any case it seems common sense for the host to expect a modicum of interest for its culture for visitor that decide to stay for long periods and most decidedly those that require asylum.

I think most can be done in ways of incentives or tax breaks or other social returns, there is no limit to how these could be done, but of course it should be carefully planed as to avoid abuses and unfairness. This is part of social planning that is an obligation of the government, it starts in the education process and end in how to handle refugees in...


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posted on May, 6 2013 @ 05:29 AM
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The white folk refer to it as getting away from being a target or getting out while the gettings good and their homes have some value. I guess I don't get what the issue is. It's pretty normal to not want to be a victum.



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 05:31 AM
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Why should it be forced? As much from the minorities point of view in terms of schooling, socialising etc why should anyone be forced to live in an area just to keep the demographic equal.



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 05:36 AM
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what they really should do if they want to see what is what, is track down and interview those that have left said areas. find out WHY they have left. was it better living area they could now afford? was it job opportunity not available in the area? was better schooling available in the new area? was it fear of violence, etc? there can be many reasons to move. as such a trend like this can be an indicator of problems, best to find out exactly what the problems are so they can possibly work at correcting them.



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 05:37 AM
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Originally posted by Panic2k11
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Integration has to be partially forced, sadly but human nature abhors change and difference.



What ??? are you a black shirt as well.
Why should I be forced to live somewhere just to justify your social experiment. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
I happen to be one of the 600.000 who moved out of London .. [ see the article]
People want to live where they feel safe and comfortable.



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 05:41 AM
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Originally posted by generik
what they really should do if they want to see what is what, is track down and interview those that have left said areas. find out WHY they have left.


Yea that will be me.

No one will tell you the truth - for fear of arrest. We have no free speech in the UK where you can you can get arrested for singing ' Hong Kong Phooey' in the pub, on the kareoke machine.

People in Britain know the powers that be are now like the Stasi and so keep they mouths firmly shut for fear of arrest, losing ones jobs etc etc

[ no I am not joking]

McCarthyism anybody ???

Also a country run by fifth columnists [ bilderbergers] and the majority of the people who are easily manipulated and told what to think and say. - that is the UK 2013.

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posted on May, 6 2013 @ 05:43 AM
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This is very true, and is why I posted this article as it seems to be inferring that "whites" moving out are causing a problem and I just don't think that's the case.



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 05:51 AM
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Again, very true and I think this latest "research" proves what we all know, that we are being forced into a social engineering nightmare, where our freedom to decide basic things, like where we want to live, is being challenged and ultimately decided for us.

Not good.



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 05:53 AM
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Most people I know went to London for the employment opportunities and the cultural life. When they started having families they moved out of London, because its too expensive. For the price of a 1 bedroom flat in hackney, you could buy a 3 bedroom family home in the suburbs. Impossible for most people i know to afford a 4 bedroom house in London.



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 05:58 AM
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But how can it fix itself? What about the people who refuse to learn English, and who refuse to participate in the established local culture?

Or does everyone else have to learn their language, leave their own culture at the door and take up the culture and beliefs of those who have moved into the area?

Simply cannot work and certainly shouldn't be forced on anyone and as a single female, with a lesbian daughter, I for one would not like to be forced to live in a majority muslim community, we just wouldn't be accepted and would probably be very intimidated.



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 06:02 AM
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This is also true, there are so many reasons why people live where they do and over the last 50 years everything has changed quite dramatically in terms of domestic mobility.Whereas in the past extended families all lived in the same area, transport and communication technology have enabled people to move away and this trend is constantly increasing.



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 06:07 AM
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it's bank holiday monday and the sun is out... and you are banging on about the "pc agenda"


i hope to god you are on a smart phone in a beer garden or park - please tell me you are.

if you are not, please adjust your own agenda.. ie turn that computer off and get outside for a pint goddammit!

yes, i am on my phone, at ze pub, and i am drinking



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 06:12 AM
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I'm in Scotland..it's raining...and I don't get paid til tomorrow...So just wanting to spread the doom and gloom and boredom around



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 06:13 AM
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It's like whites don't own the world anymore right?....

It's "there goes the neighborhood" syndrome. It is intolerance and has been around forever.

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posted on May, 6 2013 @ 06:20 AM
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What? It's not like that at all. Did you read the article? It's attitudes like yours which perpetuate this PC nonsense, I should be entitled to live wherever I want, not have it dictated to me based on ensuring equal numbers of different races, religions, cultures etc and the main point is that the lack of integration is usually from the immigrants perspective, they don't want to learn English and do "British" things, they want to live in their own communities doing their own things, which is fine by me, but I don't expect to be forced to live in these areas, just to make up numbers for cultural diversity.



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 06:25 AM
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To reduce conflict and differentiation in the social fabric. I'm not saying that they should be forced to adopt all the new culture but only the common grounds to facilitate communication and communion, like language a basic of history and an understanding of rights and obligations.



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 06:30 AM
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Integration is not only about the location one decides to live, but since these minorities are mostly emigrants they should be required to learn the basics on the new society (language, history and laws) other things can simply be done by providing incentives...
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