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Originally posted by 3n19m470
Excellent work my man. Theres just so many threads coming in but you know and I know this is a good thread and that it doesn't belong in the "highly speculative" forum... You'd think we were talking about reptilian shapeshifters for crying out loud. This is an event. It HAPPENED. What nobody is sure of is the how and why and to a certain extent, who and what. In that case, ANY thread on the Boston bombing should be highly speculative... Hell every thread about everything. There is very little that we actually "know". What we consider to be "facts" are constantly changing. I guess its 100% opinion when it comes to categorizing these threads.
Thanks for the thread. I will bookmark it as I have been wanting a timeline.
Originally posted by soular
...I understand there was a thread here, dating from 21 April, titled «Questions About the Woman in Tufts Sweatshirt Who Escaped Blast » which has been deleted.
...I myself wrote to FBI about it, last week. I think this woman is Katherine Russell, as simple as that.
The girl obviously left before the second blast, in my humble opinion. So it means that she would have ‘left behind’ her team friends ?? (which were finally injured by the bomb and even some interviewed the following days)… Or has she really started running after the secong blast, uninjured? to end up 2 seconds later almost on the front of the High Resolution pic with the younger brother (on the corner of Fairfield Street)??
Are we sure that this woman was really from the TUFTS Lacrosse team ??
...I’ve been thinking about it intensively since 2 days, searching the web for infos, trying to identify her in the Team's website, or from the interviews with the real Tuftfs girls which were injured…
...help release me from my intense questioning because I’m ‘convinced’ the girl is Katherine Russell and I don’t know if I’m crazy or what??…
Originally posted by WanDash
While I have/had no reason to consider 'the TUFTS girl' might be in on the scheme...
You are correct that there is a resemblance between the photos shown in your second comment... A much greater resemblance than I was aware of...
Are you certain that the lady that was standing at "the TUFTS girl's" left arm, was the mother of the deceased boy?
If so...do you know if "she" was involved/affiliated with the "team members" you've said were injured?
May reply separately to your second post if I haven't covered the questions raised therein...shortly.
Thanks for your questions.
Hope we can get some answers.
It was a week ago today that about 10 members of the Tufts University women’s lacrosse team took the subway downtown to watch some schoolmates finish the Boston Marathon.
Originally posted by soular
...Thanks WanDash for answering. I'm still searching infos but I'm about to rest my case... It looks like she's probably an authentic Tufts Lacrosse girl because the team has just 30 members, 10 of which went to the Marathon that day.
It would be a almost incredible coincidence that those girls would end up by 'chance' just beside or at a few feet of an accomplice to the marathon bombers (Katherine Russell) 'disguised' in a Tufts Lacrosse outfit...
...In fact, they were 10 Tufts Lacrosse girls close or at the finish line, but not all together in one spot. So I guess Katherine Russell would not have been that lucky to escape the FBI just because a few Tufts Lacrosse girls had ended up beside her while she's disguised as one... Impossible I think.
...Anyways, that girl has been incredibly lucky. The little boy just besides her lost his life. I still wonder if she started running after the second blast or if she immediately left her place after the first blast (at the same time than the younger Tsarnaev) ?
...If you have anything to add, I'd like to hear, I've been thinking about this so much. But now I think it would be an impossible coincidence....
When you say that she's probably an authentic Tufts Lacrosse girl...do you see anyone in the Team Roster (picture - or, any of the individual pictures) that you thought bore a good resemblance? Not asking because I am suspect...but wanting to know if it's because of your 10 out of 30 members in attendance comment, or because you see someone in the roster that might fit...
Lindsey Walker, E15, was among members of the Tufts women’s lacrosse team who came to cheer their friends, and one of three teammates injured in the attack. She became separated from them after the blast, and was walking towards Cambridge when she saw blood on her jeans and felt pain in her back and realized she had been badly cut. On the bridge across the Charles River, she was aided by a woman wearing a Tufts sweatshirt, the mother of a medical student. The woman and her husband—whose names Walker never learned—invited Walker to their apartment, where they cleaned her up, and she was able to call friends who brought her to Health Services back on campus. In addition to numerous cuts, Walker suffered damage to her ear drum.
Kali DiGate, A15, another lacrosse player, was thrown to the ground and was later diagnosed with a concussion. After the explosion, she and some others were able to find each other, and they took off toward Cambridge—she didn’t even realize she was hurt until she got back to campus. On the trip back, “the four of us were in shambles and crying and didn’t know where the other girls were, and someone asked us if we wanted to sit on their porch, and it was really nice of them,” DiGate said.
Strangers also aided Jaymi Cohen, A16, another lacrosse player. Separated from her teammates, she began to run, but a block later “when I looked at my legs, I realized I had been hit.” She was able to reach her father, at home in Andover, Mass., on the phone, and he immediately headed to Boston. In the meantime, some bystanders tied their sweatshirts around Cohen’s legs to stop the bleeding, and found a police officer who called an ambulance that took her to Massachusetts General Hospital.
I am in full agreement... But - coincidences (however slim) need to be laid to rest, or as near-to-rest as is practicable (imo).
12. At approximately 2:42 pm. approximately seven minutes before the first
explosion), Bomber One can be seen detaching himself from the crowd and walking east on Boylston Street towards the Marathon finish line. Approximately 15 seconds later, he can be seen passing directly in front of the Forum Restaurant and continuing in the direction of the location
where the first explosion occurred. His knapsack is still on his back.
13. At approximately 2:45 p.m., Bomber Two can be seen detaching himself from the crowd and walking east on Boylston Street toward the Marathon finishing line. He appears to have the thumb of his right hand hooked under the strap of his knapsack and a cell phone in his left hand. Approximately 15 seconds later, he can be seen stopping directly in front of the Forum Restaurant and standing near the metal barrier among numerous spectators, with his back to the camera, facing the runners. He then can be seen apparently slipping his knapsack onto the ground. A photograph taken from the opposite side of the street shows the knapsack on the ground at Bomber Two's feet.
14. The Forum Restaurant video shows that Bomber Two remained in the same spot for approximately four minutes, occasionally looking at his cell phone and once appearing to take a picture with it. At some point he appears to look at his phone, which is held at approximately waist level, and may be manipulating the phone. Approximately 30 seconds before the first
explosion, he lifts his phone speaking on his cell phone, and keeps it there for approximately 18 seconds. A few seconds after he finishes the call, the large crowd of people around him can be seen reacting to the first explosion. Virtually every head turns to the east (towards the finish line) and stares in that direction in apparent bewilderment and alarm. Bomber Two, virtually alone among the individuals in front of the restaurant, appears calm. He glances to the east and then calmly but rapidly begins moving to the west, away from the direction of the finish line. He walks away without his knapsack, having left it on the ground where he had been standing. Approximately 10 seconds later, an explosion occurs in the location where Bomber Two had placed his knapsack.
Originally posted by WanDash
According to Miss Clegg's account...there was only a two (or so) second hesitation between the report of the first blast, and someone shouting "RUN".
The way the FBI complaint reads...it would seem that the younger Tsarnaev was the first (of the crowd in front of The Forum Restaurant) to begin moving away (from that spot).
From Miss Clegg's account - it doesn't appear that there would have been much of/if any difference between the time 'Tsarnaev began "calmly & rapidly" walking away...and when the Tufts Lacrosse ladies made the same decision ("RUN!").
There were only 11 - 12 seconds between the two blasts...(my calculation/s from video footage)...
If we allow for a one-second delay...
(time for the sound to travel the hundred yards or so, compounded by "attentions pointed in the opposite direction" for most)
...then, two seconds before someone shouting "RUN!"
...then take into account the mass of people on the sidewalks
...and the fact that the picture/s of the second bomb-blast from behind runners that were approaching said location did not show mass confusion in the street (before the second blast location)
...the TUFTS Lacrosse ladies may have been walking/running right alongside the younger Tsarnaev before being blown to the ground.
I really don't see how there could be much difference in their distance/s from the second blast scene - given this "set of facts".
Originally posted by soular
Kerry Eaton? Maybe. Same legs, similar color of hair.
...I've been spending all day searching/looking at pictures from the very first seconds after the second blast, I can bring you some later, if you want. I've came to the conclusion, without much doubts for me, that those 3 girls have already left their positions you see on the pic in front of the Forum. I'm quite sure they were not standing there anymore, they must have started to walk away right after the first blast, at the same time than the young Tsarnaev. ...
...the Tufts girl couldn't have ended up so fast at the corner of Fairfields Street. She had to have start walking away from the Forum restaurant, towards Fairfield Street many seconds before the second blast. Well that's my conclusion after spending my whole day looking at videos and pics and witnesses.
...The girl may be Kerry Eaton, it indeeds looks like her. Maybe I'll write to her tomorrow and ask her. That's her Facebook: www.facebook.com...
Thank you for this conversation...
Also, here's an interview with Kerry Eaton, maybe you have listen to it today...
Originally posted by WanDash
Now - please note that...Tsarnaev IS NOT in front of The Forum Restaurant...
In fact...he is at another tree (the next westest tree on the block)...
All of this can be verified by the Cross-walk striping in the street.
The tree where the backpack/knapsack was shown...is the next tree (from the tree he is standing beside) toward the trafic signal (lights).
It took the elder brother approximately 15 seconds to trek the "half-block" (from where the two brothers were photographed together) before coming into view (again) of the Restaurant surveillance camera... AND ...it took approximately 15 seconds for the younger brother to make the same trek (from where the two had been photographed together) to "stopping directly in front of The Forum Restaurant"...
So... So... Uhhhh.... When was this second photo taken?
He is NOT directly in front of the Forum Restaurant...but rather, in front of the Atlantic Fish Co. ...
Planted himself there...and - according the "The Forum Restaurant video", he remained in the same spot for approximately four minutes...
Which...if you have lost track...would be all the time remaining between when he left the spot where he and his brother were photographed together...and when the first bomb exploded...
edit on 5/12/2013 by WanDash because: clarification
Daytona Beach man says he captured picture of Boston Marathon suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev moments before blasts
Colin Seale took picture near location of second explosion Apr 25, 2013 DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. —A Daytona Beach man says he just realized he captured a picture of Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev after he took a close look at a photo he took. Colin Seale, 22, decided at the last minute to drive with his sister to Boston to watch their mother run the marathon. It was her first time running in Boston. Seale said they missed seeing their mother cross the finish line, so he thought it would be a good idea to capture the whole event in a picture. He raised his iPhone above his head and snapped a shot at 2:44 p.m., right outside the Forum restaurant on Boylston Street. "I couldn't even see what I was taking a picture of. I was just like, 'Hopefully I get a lot of people,'" he said. Seale and his sister then ducked into an alley to get away from the crowds. At 2:49 p.m., the first bomb went off. Seale said he heard both blasts. He shot video of the chaos, but then he dropped his phone and it wouldn't work for a while. He finally charged it and synced it Tuesday, and that's when he saw the photo.
"I couldn't do anything. I was just stunned. My heart was pounding. I was shaking," said Seale. In the bottom right corner appears to be Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, seemingly relaxed, with his hand to his chin. Seale believes Tsarnaev had already dropped his bag at that point. According to the official report, Dzokhar Tsarnaev is seen on surveillance dropping his backpack to the ground near the Forum Restaurant about 2:45 p.m. He then waited for about four minutes, lifted a phone to his head, finished the call, and the first bomb went off. Seconds later, the bomb exploded outside the Forum. Seale said he has emailed the FBI but hasn't heard back yet.
Originally posted by Martin75
It seems like every post I read just brings up more questions.
However, I think I MIGHT be able to solve one...this is with the finish times for the mathoners.
The official times that you see listed on the web site are not the same as the clock time that you see at the finish line. My husband runs marathons so I know LOTS about running times With a race as large as Boston it can take some people quite a while to make it to the start line after the start gun goes off. They have a chip (either a chip they hook to shoes or now it is often part of the runner's bib) that will start the clock when the runner crosses the start line and times them to the finish line (they also set up sensors along the course to track the runners along the way). So someone finishing with an official time of 3:55 could actually be crossing the finish line with a clock time of 4:09. The official time will always be smaller than the clock time (unless you are an elite runner that starts right up front, then it should be the same). There is really no way to know chip time vs. clock time since they have taken down the search feature on the web site. Hope that this helps solve one mystery.