Aircraft Carriers have been obsolete for a long time

Tell me a field where the carrier is still relevant and I will tell you a platform that can do the job at least twice as well.




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Seeing a fleet of ships that size is extremely intimidating when they are parked off your coast.

It is a very effective propaganda tool because they represent the military power that the US holds over any given country.

What can do that better?

reply to post by Jepic


The ocean.

There is no other weapon that possesses the combined might of an aircraft carrier.

Originally posted by Jepic
Tell me a field where the carrier is still relevant and I will tell you a platform that can do the job at least twice as well.

What else can carrier aircraft and thousands of people, equipment, huge guns, and plenty of ammos.. besides in fact and aircraft carrier...

Originally posted by Hopechest
Seeing a fleet of ships that size is extremely intimidating when they are parked off your coast.

It is a very effective propaganda tool because they represent the military power that the US holds over any given country.

What can do that better?

Nothing can intimidate a well prepared and equipped general. A smart general will see a big chunk of steel that he can blow up nicely with destroyers.

Keyword, destroyer. A destroyer is much more intimidating.

Originally posted by Jepic

Originally posted by Hopechest
Seeing a fleet of ships that size is extremely intimidating when they are parked off your coast.

It is a very effective propaganda tool because they represent the military power that the US holds over any given country.

What can do that better?

Nothing can intimidate a well prepared and equipped general. A smart general will see a big chunk of steel that he can blow up nicely with destroyers.

Keyword, destroyer. A destroyer is much more intimidating.

Generals do not start wars however. Politicians do.

Politicians realize that they cannot compete with the US might when they see our carrier fleets surrounding their country. It motivates them to the peace table...that is more powerful than any explosive.

Originally posted by totallackey
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The ocean.

There is no other weapon that possesses the combined might of an aircraft carrier.

A couple of missiles from a destroyer and your carrier is as I said above just a big sinking chunk of steel filled with precious, wasted and lost "could have been" resources that may cost you big time during a war.

Uhhh Carriers allow the US to conduct sustained attacks anywhere on earth...Only a very few contries posses weapons that can threaten our carriers. So like to 90% of the world the carrier represents absolute power over them. Sure if US got into a fight with itself the carriers on each side would not last long but that is not going to happen...

Originally posted by Jepic

Originally posted by totallackey
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The ocean.

There is no other weapon that possesses the combined might of an aircraft carrier.

A couple of missiles from a destroyer and your carrier is as I said above just a big sinking chunk of steel filled with precious, wasted and lost "could have been" resources that may cost you big time during a war.

You really think a carrier group is going to allow a destroyer within range to fire its missiles?

Probably not.

Originally posted by dc4lifeskater

Originally posted by Jepic
Tell me a field where the carrier is still relevant and I will tell you a platform that can do the job at least twice as well.

What else can carrier aircraft and thousands of people, equipment, huge guns, and plenty of ammos.. besides in fact and aircraft carrier...

It's not smart to put thousands of people, and aircraft on top of a sea platform when a destroyer will do the job just as easily.

Originally posted by Jepic

Originally posted by totallackey
reply to post by Jepic

 

The ocean.

There is no other weapon that possesses the combined might of an aircraft carrier.

A couple of missiles from a destroyer and your carrier is as I said above just a big sinking chunk of steel filled with precious, wasted and lost "could have been" resources that may cost you big time during a war.

Very few countries have destroyers that could even get close enough to one of our carriers to attempt to take a shot at them...Carriers are absolutely not obsolete. They also help ensure Air superioirty of a theater of operations which means your destroyers would be fishing reefs before they get close enough to fire on a Carrier lol.

Every ship in the fleet are there to provide protection for the carrier, they are to take the hit before it does and destroy anything before it gets close. A carrier is surronded with it's own defenses against any attacks to it. No other country has a carrier as the US does. Yes other countries have them but they don't have the same capabilty is them.

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You have absolutely zero idea of what you are talking about...

You need to look up the survivability capabilities of an aircraft carrier...the carrier can withstand a small tactical nuclear strike without sinking...the armament onboard is capable of intercepting missile attacks...there are constant flying patrols conducted around a carrier strike group...

The carrier is the flagship of the fleet for a reason...

Originally posted by Hopechest

Originally posted by Jepic

Originally posted by totallackey
reply to post by Jepic

 

The ocean.

There is no other weapon that possesses the combined might of an aircraft carrier.

A couple of missiles from a destroyer and your carrier is as I said above just a big sinking chunk of steel filled with precious, wasted and lost "could have been" resources that may cost you big time during a war.

You really think a carrier group is going to allow a destroyer within range to fire its missiles?

Probably not.

They don't stand a chance against a destroyer fleet.

An Aircraft Carrier is a BIG boat with BIG vulnerabilities and BIG shortcomings. An Aircraft Carrier Battle Group is still, by far, the most powerful mobile projection of military power OR 'on the spot' disaster relief in the world, IMO.

Escorts without their Carrier are just ships to take their chances. A Carrier without her escorts is a fat target waiting to get sunk in modern warfare. Combined? Nothing quite matches it that I know, let alone beats it.

Originally posted by Xeven

Originally posted by Jepic

Originally posted by totallackey
reply to post by Jepic

 

The ocean.

There is no other weapon that possesses the combined might of an aircraft carrier.

A couple of missiles from a destroyer and your carrier is as I said above just a big sinking chunk of steel filled with precious, wasted and lost "could have been" resources that may cost you big time during a war.

Very few countries have destroyers that could even get close enough to one of our carriers to attempt to take a shot at them...Carriers are absolutely not obsolete. They also help ensure Air superioirty of a theater of operations which means your destroyers would be fishing reefs before they get close enough to fire on a Carrier lol.

You can maintain air superiority with cruise missiles. But destroyers have anti-air capability so your jets better be ready to do some dodging. Or may I say, swimming.

Originally posted by totallackey
reply to post by Jepic

 

You have absolutely zero idea of what you are talking about...

You need to look up the survivability capabilities of an aircraft carrier...the carrier can withstand a small tactical nuclear strike without sinking...the armament onboard is capable of intercepting missile attacks...there are constant flying patrols conducted around a carrier strike group...

The carrier is the flagship of the fleet for a reason...

In WWII we had a number of carriers that limped back home, barely, after taking massive beatings. Considering their armament then and the attacks they faced and assuming we have upgraded to meet current world threats, I assume our carriers today have just as much survivability.

They are not made to sink from a few missile hits. They were designed to take a full missile attack from a fleet of soviet planes. I doubt a destroyer, or even multiple destroyers are going to be effective against them.

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A carrier wouldn't have to go up against that, that's why it has a fleet with it. They are not alone when on patrol. And besides, a fleet of destoyers couldn't do anything against 75 aircraft dropping bombs and shooting missles at the same time.

Originally posted by Jepic
Tell me a field where the carrier is still relevant and I will tell you a platform that can do the job at least twice as well.

Hrmmmm let me think.

Function as a floating launch platform for 85-90 aircraft of different types.
While at the same time carrying all the necessary equipment, armament, repair facilities and fuel to supply the fleet of aircraft?

Originally posted by Jepic

Originally posted by Xeven

Originally posted by Jepic

Originally posted by totallackey
reply to post by Jepic

 

The ocean.

There is no other weapon that possesses the combined might of an aircraft carrier.

A couple of missiles from a destroyer and your carrier is as I said above just a big sinking chunk of steel filled with precious, wasted and lost "could have been" resources that may cost you big time during a war.

Very few countries have destroyers that could even get close enough to one of our carriers to attempt to take a shot at them...Carriers are absolutely not obsolete. They also help ensure Air superioirty of a theater of operations which means your destroyers would be fishing reefs before they get close enough to fire on a Carrier lol.

You can maintain air superiority with cruise missiles. But destroyers have anti-air capability so your jets better be ready to do some dodging. Or may I say, swimming.

You do realize that if they are in range to hit us that they have been in range of our missiles even longer don't you?

You think we are not going to hit them first? And what about our 3 subs that have been trailing that destroyer since it left port?

You don't think they might send a torpedo or two up its tailpipe?