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Originally posted by Angle
reply to post by Bluesma
The thoughts about yourself of ego is what awareness is to the observer.
Ego took place of awareness. Or one experiences ego, or one experiences awareness. Both cannot be active and experienced at the same time.
Originally posted by Bluesma
You might need to be more precise on what you mean by "egolessness". I am having trouble understanding it.
It sounds to me like you are refering to the self choosing to repress the body awareness, and focus only the experience of the intellect, and it's values, principles, morals, and framework of reality. You will have to help me see what I have misunderstood there.
Originally posted by mysticnoon
Yes, it had also occured to me that I have failed to make myself clear on the subject. I am not too keen on using a lot of words, so I tend to avoid elaborating on the ideas I share.
When I speak of ego-lessness, I refer more to the state of being detached from one's ego, rather than having zero ego. If someone has cast off their identification and attachment to ego, then that ego becomes like a garment that can be worn or removed at will.
Originally posted by Bluesma
Originally posted by Angle
reply to post by Bluesma
The thoughts about yourself of ego is what awareness is to the observer.
Ego took place of awareness. Or one experiences ego, or one experiences awareness. Both cannot be active and experienced at the same time.
Ego is self awareness.
Originally posted by Bluesma
It is the I, the ego, the self, which acts as the mediator. It has no drives, it has no preferences, no values, except one- experience existance. It is the pole around which these turn and it is the weaver.
To perform a selfless act one must let go of one's ego and pass into an enlightened state of consciousness. This is called wu wei – the state of doing without doing. Here every act is selfless for the ego has ceased to exist. There is no making decisions and the outcome is always perfect.
Originally posted by Angle
As it is ignorance about ones self as well but this side of itself noone wants to acknowledge, or noone has been aware of. Ego is dualistic in nature.
All aspects of ego have an opposite.
Can you agree with that.
I'm not claiming this to be good or bad. But when ego is what is keeping you alive, it is also what kills you.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by Bluesma
Would you consider it safe to say that you are nothing in particular?
Originally posted by Bluesma
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by Bluesma
Would you consider it safe to say that you are nothing in particular?
Yes... and no. That is the most essential truth.
On the other hand, here, in this manifestation in time and space,
I am always something, or somehow, or somewhere.
These things change, some of them I choose to hold stable for long periods of time, and others I let change from moment to moment.
Originally posted by BlueMule
I wonder what you mean by the word I...
Maybe your ego will appear to you in a dream someday. Would it look like you?
To draw on a mythological image that you are probably familiar with- when Luke Skywalker destroyed the Death Star, he had to follow Obi-Wans mystical advice and 'let go'. Wu Wei.
To perform a selfless act one must let go of one's ego and pass into an enlightened state of consciousness. This is called wu wei – the state of doing without doing. Here every act is selfless for the ego has ceased to exist. There is no making decisions and the outcome is always perfect.
Who is it that lets go of the ego?
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
But if you check - you will always find yourself 'now' + 'here' - nowhere.
Are you absolutely sure that you are a 'thing'?
'Things' are always changing but what they change in/on never changes. If you find that you are the stable presence in/on which all appearances change you will never be unstable again. And then you will not be fooled by any 'thing'.
Originally posted by Bluesma
As I said- the most essential truth of my being is that I am nothing.
That is, if you will, my true essence.
And yet, I am having experiences in physicality, in time and space, at the same time,
in which I have aspects- forms, colors, textures, states of emotion and thought, I am in one place and not another, In one point of time, and not another.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
You are nothing (emptiness) and the appearance (form) is constantly changing.
All is presence - the unchanging constant presence and the ever changing appearance - appearing presently.
Emptiness is form.
Originally posted by Bluesma
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
You are nothing (emptiness) and the appearance (form) is constantly changing.
All is presence - the unchanging constant presence and the ever changing appearance - appearing presently.
Emptiness is form.
Yes. So you agree on that?
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
When you realize that your true nature is 'nothing' - nothing fixed, nothing in particular - you are free.
However, when there is a need to be 'something' or an idea that I have to be 'something' in particular then there will be suffering.
The realization that I am not a thing - that I am no thing - is the end of wanting to be something - it is the end of ego.edit on 26-4-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Originally posted by Bluesma
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
You are nothing (emptiness) and the appearance (form) is constantly changing.
All is presence - the unchanging constant presence and the ever changing appearance - appearing presently.
Emptiness is form.
Yes. So you agree on that?
I wrote it - I am not in the habit of writing anything I disagree with.