Should we take eggs from aborted babies?

reply to post by Maslo

so, if you're male, then you'd be ok if we decided your penis was better suited as an artificial tool to be used by others ??

and, if not you, then your son who hasn't reached puberty yet, so he won't really be missing anything, right ?

does the above sound logical or fair ??

what demand for human eggs ?
since women are born with them, if such a demand exists, perhaps they should try asking for voluntary donations first ??

because "freedom" is not synonymous with greed and never has been.

as much as i support IVF, did it ever occur to anyone that these couples are denied reproductive ability for a reason that we have yet to understand ??
and by conceding to their 'desire', we are committing the most horrific assault against Nature herself ??

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

so then, are you suggesting that grave robbing should be lawful and recognized as a potential "nest egg" (pun intended).

they're dead too so what's the difference ?

reply to post by adjensen


So torturing animals (bullfighting) is cool, but fetuses playing the part of organ donor isn't. If you die today, would you give up your organs to someone who needs/could use them? Yes? Then why shouldn't a fetus? Oh, I get it, because it was "never born." So some superstitious bull# is the reason. Seems legitimate.

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Maslo

 

so, if you're male, then you'd be ok if we decided your penis was better suited as an artificial tool to be used by others ??

and, if not you, then your son who hasn't reached puberty yet, so he won't really be missing anything, right ?

does the above sound logical or fair ??

what demand for human eggs ?

since women are born with them, if such a demand exists, perhaps they should try asking for voluntary donations first ??

because "freedom" is not synonymous with greed and never has been.

as much as i support IVF, did it ever occur to anyone that these couples are denied reproductive ability for a reason that we have yet to understand ??
and by conceding to their 'desire', we are committing the most horrific assault against Nature herself ??

They're denied the ability to reproduce because everything in the world isn't sunshine and smiley faces. Sometimes people have biological problems. You know, like #ing diabetes and cancer. You have no right to tell anyone what to do or not to do simply because you have a retarded belief. Nor should anyone be required to humor your retarded belief if you fail to provide any evidence for it.

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

so then, are you suggesting that grave robbing should be lawful and recognized as a potential "nest egg" (pun intended).

they're dead too so what's the difference ?

You're right. Absolutely no difference. You're also not incredibly stupid.

reply to post by HairlessApe

for the lack of a better phrase ... back 'at ya.
you have no right to promote or proceed with such activities on those who have no say in the matter. as for your 'explanation' of infertility ... BS.

Well this is just creepy. Eggs from a non-person who never existed.

But I am going to have to say no. Abortions are medical waste and we don't put medical waste inside people (organ donations are from other people who agreed to donate).

Besides, with all those college aged girls struggling with tuition why rob them of a payday by using their unwanted fetuses instead of the source? That's just kicking them while they're down.


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reply to post by Maslo

So...if you had to impregnate a woman,until a certain amount of time has elapsed-she is pregnant with some sub-human/non-human Thing?That You put in her?

Wow..bet any future kids of yours would love to know what their daddy thought of them-but only up to a certain period in the gestation process,OF COURSE.After that-BAM! Now you're okay,junior-Now you're human enough to be considered as a human life.Jesus.

reply to post by adjensen


Why not ? It's making one super evil just slightly less evil.

I think it would be best to just abort the abortionists. This is an abomination. Those children are taken to heaven and cared for, but Yehovah has expressly forbidden that anyone bring a hand against another in this way. Jesus himself will deal with those who hurt children in the final days.

Originally posted by HairlessApe
reply to post by adjensen

 

So torturing animals (bullfighting) is cool, but fetuses playing the part of organ donor isn't.

When did I say that bullfighting was cool?

reply to post by Honor93

Originally posted by Honor93
so then, are you suggesting that grave robbing should be lawful and recognized as a potential "nest egg" (pun intended).

If you must put words in my mouth to create an argument, then your position isn't very strong. I suggested no such thing.

The difference is that the fetus was taken from someone's body and, like an organ or tumor, has scientific value that the WOMAN (since it came from her body) can assign. On the other hand, if a dead person donates their organs or eggs, they are taken before burial. The circumstances of their burial are dictated by them (as a person born) and doesn't include the robbing of their grave.

If you have to go to these extreme comparisons, your argument is weak.

reply to post by Honor93

so, if you're male, then you'd be ok if we decided your penis was better suited as an artificial tool to be used by others ??

and, if not you, then your son who hasn't reached puberty yet, so he won't really be missing anything, right ?

If I am already dead, do whatever you want with any of my organs. Its not like I would even know about it.

what demand for human eggs ? since women are born with them, if such a demand exists, perhaps they should try asking for voluntary donations first ??

They are. Perhaps the supply is insufficient to satisfy demand?

because "freedom" is not synonymous with greed and never has been.

Its not greedy to want to use something that would otherwise be wasted. Its ecological and economical.

and by conceding to their 'desire', we are committing the most horrific assault against Nature herself ??

What assault? How does using these eggs harm "nature"?

Originally posted by Raxoxane
reply to post by Maslo

 

So...if you had to impregnate a woman,until a certain amount of time has elapsed-she is pregnant with some sub-human/non-human Thing?That You put in her?

Wow..bet any future kids of yours would love to know what their daddy thought of them-but only up to a certain period in the gestation process,OF COURSE.After that-BAM! Now you're okay,junior-Now you're human enough to be considered as a human life.Jesus.

Yes, an embryo is not a person for me. I dont think my children would mind this belief, they would probably also be pro-choice.

If one is pro-IVF, then there should be no problem with this. It would be stupid of them to just discard the eggs for morality's sake. They've already broken the boundaries of morality when ending the life of the unborn baby. Atleast the eggs could be seen as salvaging something to bring a little good back into the world after performing such an atrocity.

Also, it would depend on the form of abortion. Where do they draw the line? Obviously this would only be done with healthy fetus', but what about the circumstances of the abortion? Are the eggs from a pregnancy were the woman has her 3rd or 4th abortion after getting pregnant from unprotected, consensual sex preferrable to a woman who has been impregnated through a rape?

I am of the belief that abortion is wrong, depending on the circumstances. Abortion should be allowed in circumstances of rape and similar situations were the woman is impregnated against her wishes. Women who get pregnant knowingly through lack of contraception or lack of caring should be faced with the option of having the child (with the possibility of giving it up for adoption), or being aborted and sterilised. This may sound extreme but honestly, nobody has the right to take anothers life. I am sure if this was the law, the abortion rate would drop by over 90%.

If a woman is not made to have children the option should not be afforded her by modern science. Nature has made her that way for a reason. The only option for women and couples who can't have kids should be adoption.