Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by TarzanBeta
Fair enough....but I fail to see a valid argument for either the desire or a demonstrated record of communist initiatives being successfully
implemented in America. About the only good example is Obama-care (which is doomed to fail almost before it really starts). Communism has failed as an
exercise in nearly every global example. In addition, even it's successes (China) are slowly evolving towards capitalism out of sheer evolution of
creating a middle class. Simply put, why would anyone, TBTB included, want to see a communist America? The elite are the elite, no matter what system
of government. Capitalism means more wealth and freedoms for the elite especially.
If anything, the Christian right has won victory after victory in legislation, and has furthered their agendas.
Even in communist Russia though (back in the day), they never really cracked down that hard on the Church. Officially, there was no state religion,
but still plenty of active churches. My wife even calls herself a Ukranian Orthodox Catholic (though she isn't very active).
You must be kidding?
Did I not already say that communism is implemented here under a different name? And also, the process by which it is implemented is different from
the way it was implemented elsewhere. That maybe where you are not seeing it.
You see, in other communist countries, they legislated against things that were Christian and anti-state. But in this country, they legislate in
favor of things that hate things Christian and anti-state. Do you see how the tactic is different, but the result is the same?
And the "right" or whatever it is has not succeeded in anything except for to provide the illusion that a few battles are won here and there; but
those wins aren't actually wins in favor of what is good; but rather, those battles are waged to give an illusion of peace, to give an illusion of
intent, and to cause those that oppose to oppose more adamantly. And so it has been done! There has been no success.
Obama-care is like a trojan horse. You see, what do people fear most? To lose their lives. So therefore, if healthcare is forced, then people feel
the state is on their side. And though there may be some that see the evil for what it is, there are many, though they see it, that would, in times
of distress, willingly submit to it to protect themselves and their own, because their faith and their strength in principle is not true, but it is
fake, or weak.
But the churches today - are not almost all church organizations now tax-exempt organizations? Now what is tax exempt except for an arm of the state?
And in order to keep that tax-exempt status, churches sure better not speak against what the state is doing! Does that make sense? Now it does not
behoove true Christians to speak anger about the state. But it does behoove Christians to help people to understand that the state is not their
saving grace, and neither is the law good for making people good; but the law does not discriminate. Meaning, whatever is morally good or morally
evil is not the focus of the law. But whatever the state deems legal or illegal, that is the focus of the law. So therefore, it is not the evil that
are punished, but only those who commit illegal acts. Do you see the difference? But because the churches are arms of the state, then it is the
responsibility of those churches to tell people to obey the laws of the state before obeying the laws of God! Or else their tax exempt status is
revoked, the IRS comes at them demanded all of their back taxes, and they utterly fall from the grace of the state.
If I were to walk into the middle of my city right now, and to start preaching the word of God to all passerby, I would be arrested for public
disturbance, possibly hate crimes, hate speech (none of which I would perform, obviously); if people were to stop and gather with me, I would be also
arrested for unlicensed or illegal gathering, or even loitering. And yet not one wrong thing would I be doing! Except that I would be preaching that
people need to come back to God, and stop living in fear, and anxiety; and to stop being an activist for vain legislation, or to participate in vain
politics, but to know God who will keep us, no matter what befalls us.
And you think if I was to teach people to stop worrying about their silly politics in public, you think they would not have me arrested? Under many
And is it not probable cause of a crime if you do not have identification on you to present to officers? You MIGHT be a criminal, so we're taking
And MORE-SO! If I do not have a license to preach, and if the state has not ordained me, then it is illegal for me to preach! because how can I
spread the good Word if men had not taught me? in their lying minds.