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Originally posted by LABTECH767
reply to post by Cauliflower
Interesting observation, to back up this hypothesis it is worth noting that Quetzalcoatl and Viracocha were bearded blond men (neither trait being native to the Amerindian people's)...
Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
reply to post by smyleegrl
Check out the near mythical "viking navigation sunstone lens."
Supposedly they refracted light in such a way as to give the vikings the ability to navigate the ocean using the suns position-nothing spectacular there I hear you say...
But these lenses allowed you to do this even with thick cloud or fog,thus becoming very useful,and very before their time.
cosmiclog.nbcnews.com...
The lenses are bi-aspheric and have excellent imaging properties. Their surface appears to be an oblate ellipse, while the surface nearest the eye approaches a parabola. They are so well produced that even computer optimisation has not been able to improve their performance
en.wikipedia.org...
Wow-even todays computers cannot improve upon their performance...How the heck did the vikings make these things?
Originally posted by Cauliflower
reply to post by Harte
Well Quetzalcoatl was described as a plumed Serpent(9 feathers) a legend that perhaps evolved similarly to the Midgard Serpent of Norse legend around 500 AD. At Ragnarok the Midgard Serpent poisoned Thor and he died after taking 9 steps. So yes that's important to clarify "Cortez arrived a thousand years later".
Originally posted by Cauliflower
Found another interesting link about the Newgrange Irish observatory. It appears this was the site of the first recorded astronomical observations with analysis of the Metonic cycle and Phi. This was thousands of years before the Greeks split art and science, must have been some amazing people with extraordinarily resonant minds studying the heavens. Makes you wonder if Human intelligence reached its peak millennia ago and we are now participating in a decline like the fall of the Aztec empire?
Originally posted by Cauliflower
If you are a thinking person it raises the question of why all this is still being hidden?
Sorry, your link mentions nothing about pi or phi. You don't have to know phi to make a spiral, you know.
The measurement system that I found in the Boyne Valley and also in the Loughcrew Mountains divides a line into parts A and B in such a way that the ration of length A to length B was the same as the ration of the entire line to A. In other words, the line was divided into what is known as a golden ratio. This is one of the most famous of all irrational numbers. The supposed inventors of this were the ancient Green mathematicians, who called it the "extreme and mean ratio".
Cicero's De re publica, a 1st century BC philosophical dialogue, mentions two machines that some modern authors consider as some kind of planetarium or orrery, predicting the movements of the Sun, the Moon, and the five planets known at that time. They were both built by Archimedes and brought to Rome by the Roman general Marcus Claudius Marcellus after the death of Archimedes at the siege of Syracuse in 212 BC. Marcellus had great respect for Archimedes and one of these machines was the only item he kept from the siege (the second was offered to the temple of Virtus). The device was kept as a family heirloom, and Cicero has Philus (one of the participants in a conversation that Cicero imagined had taken place in a villa belonging to Scipio Aemilianus in the year 129 BC) saying that Gaius Sulpicius Gallus (consul with Marcellus' nephew in 166 BC, and credited by Pliny the Elder as the first Roman to have written a book explaining solar and lunar eclipses) gave both a "learned explanation" and a working demonstration of the device.
Pappus of Alexandria stated that Archimedes had written a now lost manuscript on the construction of these devices entitled On Sphere-Making.[36][37] The surviving texts from the Library of Alexandria describe many of his creations, some even containing simple drawings. One such device is his odometer, the exact model later used by the Romans to place their mile markers (described by Vitruvius, Heron of Alexandria and in the time of Emperor Commodus).[38] The drawings in the text appeared functional, but attempts to build them as pictured had failed. When the gears pictured, which had square teeth, were replaced with gears of the type in the Antikythera mechanism, which were angled, the device was perfectly functional.[39] Whether this is an example of a device created by Archimedes and described by texts lost in the burning of the Library of Alexandria, or if it is a device based on his discoveries, or if it has anything to do with him at all, is debatable.
Originally posted by terriblyvexed
reply to post by Silcone Synapse
Yes!!! The foot prints is the biggest cover up of all time!
I believe in evolution, and from what I understand 700,000 years
is not nearly enough time for evolution, especially the human brain.
We've been here a long time lots of evidence to support this, yet science
won't budge.
Gotta ask, why the cover up? What technology is it they don't want us know about,
or do they just want to believe that with technology man can't be brought to
near extinction? Which is what I believe happened to the millions of year old
story of man.
Originally posted by Harte
Originally posted by LABTECH767
reply to post by Cauliflower
Interesting observation, to back up this hypothesis it is worth noting that Quetzalcoatl and Viracocha were bearded blond men (neither trait being native to the Amerindian people's)...
That myth dates to after bearded men (Spaniards) appeared in the New World, and not before, as fringers would try to have you believe.
Harte
Alas...this too has a very reasonable explanation, as it was found in association with a Labrador Indian tool kit. So the best explanation is that it traveled south from a region known to be visited by the Norse. Though it dates to a post-L'Anse aux Meadows period, we are regularly finding additional evidence of Vikings in our north.
Originally posted by smyleegrl
the Maine Penny
in 1957, amateur archeologist Guy Mellgren unearthed an unusual coin in the central Maine coast. The coin was eventually determined to be a medieval Norse penny, found in a large Native American settlement at the site.
Interestingly enough, this episode is noted in both the Norse Epics and Innuit oral tradition, and seems to have been based upon misunderstandings. Which is all to say, it was not a 'European trend', rather a cultural gap.
Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
Yes, the Norse discovered Newfoundland, Canada at around 1000 C.E. I don't think they traded with the natives, rather they slaughtered them, as seems to be the trend with European settlers.
You know, you mention that it made it's way through trade, and I see that a lot. But I'm pretty sure that I read it was found in a sealed context along with other artifacts that pointed to Labrador. I'd prefer to think that, instead of traveling hand-to-hand in a trade network (which certainly existed), it made its way south in the toolkit of one individual. Somehow, it's a better story and fits the assemblage of artifacts.
Originally posted by smyleegrl
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck
The idea that the coin made its way through trade is just as interesting!
This is why I love ATS. Folks like you, who KNOW this stuff...and can set me straight.
Thanks, my friend! Much appreciated!
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by Harte
Originally posted by LABTECH767
reply to post by Cauliflower
Interesting observation, to back up this hypothesis it is worth noting that Quetzalcoatl and Viracocha were bearded blond men (neither trait being native to the Amerindian people's)...
That myth dates to after bearded men (Spaniards) appeared in the New World, and not before, as fringers would try to have you believe.
Harte
Pacals tomb, man with beard in priest garb overlooking sarcophagus with quetzal bird head gear. I have close ups of this bearded figure but cant find any online to post. Pacals tomb has a great deal of strange and important information in it. See Forests of Kings David Freidel , Linda Schele.
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
You know, you mention that it made it's way through trade, and I see that a lot. But I'm pretty sure that I read it was found in a sealed context along with other artifacts that pointed to Labrador. I'd prefer to think that, instead of traveling hand-to-hand in a trade network (which certainly existed), it made its way south in the toolkit of one individual. Somehow, it's a better story and fits the assemblage of artifacts.
Originally posted by Harte
Originally posted by LABTECH767
reply to post by Cauliflower
Interesting observation, to back up this hypothesis it is worth noting that Quetzalcoatl and Viracocha were bearded blond men (neither trait being native to the Amerindian people's)...
That myth dates to after bearded men (Spaniards) appeared in the New World, and not before, as fringers would try to have you believe.
Harte
I would guess that the coin was regarded as a sacred object and was carried by a Labrador native. The trade network I reference was indigenous. I doubt the Norse were trading unless for foodstuffs. And I agree that wood was a motive for their travels. L'Ans aux Meadows is figured to have been a 'dry dock' from which they could refurbish their ships...the waterfront lends itself to that purpose. They were smelting 'bog iron' on site for nails. A butternut found there also shows they had made their way south, so it is likely that it served as a base of operations. All in all, it is a great story of how the accepted paradigm will change under the weight of evidence.
Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
I'd prefer to think that, instead of traveling hand-to-hand in a trade network (which certainly existed), it made its way south in the toolkit of one individual. Somehow, it's a better story and fits the assemblage of artifacts.
I like the idea of the 'toolkit'...but it does appear to have been an isolated find...still, it does appear, on further reading, that the contact was likely to have been direct, involving a single exchange perhaps.
What I am finding most interesting, the more that I read about it, is what, if anything, were the Norsemen trading? ... it seems likely they went there, much as in elsewhere, to take, rather than to exchange resources.
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by Harte
Originally posted by LABTECH767
reply to post by Cauliflower
Interesting observation, to back up this hypothesis it is worth noting that Quetzalcoatl and Viracocha were bearded blond men (neither trait being native to the Amerindian people's)...
That myth dates to after bearded men (Spaniards) appeared in the New World, and not before, as fringers would try to have you believe.
Harte
How do we account for the "myth" being recorded by one of chroniclers with Cortez? He even says that the ambassador that montezuma sent out to met Cortez at the coast had a beard and looked so much like Cotez that the men called him Cortez II.
The first contact between the Maya and European explorers came in the early 16th century when a Spanish ship sailing from Panama to Santo Domingo was wrecked on the east coast of the Yucatán Peninsula in 1511.
In 1519, the ambitious Hernán Cortés set out from Cuba with 600 men on an expedition to the mainland in present-day Mexico.