Catholic Church Accepts ET Life?

Im sorry to say the pope loses the race against time. Already second week and he did nothing from the radical reform expected. OK it is Holy week, the world will wait more. But the problems themselves cannot wait. This thread is for the pre-mediated disclosure of Jesuit astronomers in a local catholic magazine that they would accept the ET life and even deem it worthy to be given the grace of God, i.e. the sacraments. Still, it is not automatically assumed that they were ordered to do so by then cardinal Bergoglio of Argentine. Just the opposite. Card. Bergoglio-pope Francis comes into the vineyard of someone else who did it before him. He loses too much time, imho. The events may come upon us anytime. If it is for the inspired homilies of purely religious content, and nothing beyond that, then wish him good luck! Perhaps that is the road that leads straight into the martyrdom, described by the prophets.

I already answered multiple times not only in this thread but also in others, how diverse the universe is and the et races in it. If someone wants to demonize he will demonize always. Even within the races on earth, as it happened in 15-16 century by the catholic empires of Spain and Portugal who made the first black slaves in modern times. Blessed by the church? The question whether those who are not like us are equal creatures, and equally good/bad and worthy of salvation, is not a question of 20th century UFO-logists, but dates back centuries ago, even to the first disciples who were not ready immediately to give baptism to the non-Jews. We all are second generation baptized races, except for the Jews, if I may say that way. Well perhaps the ET will be 3rd gen, but if an ET is born on Earth then he should be called Terrestrial yes?

I made that post not to repeat those things. But to express my worry about the slowdown. Everyone is given reason, and also information. Including in this forum and thread.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
A few years ago(if I remember correctly), the Vatican astronomer came out and said that it was likely that life exists elsewhere in the universe. The Vatican basically said 'thats fine .. it won't change your faith in God'.

It's all good ....

edit on 3/23/2013 by FlyersFan because: added word

Man, the Catholics can't catch a break. If they deny the potential for ET life, then they are bad because they are primitives but if they accept the potential for ET life, they are bad because they are just "covering their bases." I guess that you can't please everybody and that there are some people that will dislike them no matter what they do.

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The church would never accept et life. Because they would lose all their power and no doubt if et lands they will call them the spawn of satan. Religious people are an interesting bunch they are like a woman they judge you one day and love you the other. Yet secretly they condemn you to hell because you are not one of them

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by FlyersFan
A few years ago(if I remember correctly), the Vatican astronomer came out and said that it was likely that life exists elsewhere in the universe. The Vatican basically said 'thats fine .. it won't change your faith in God'.

It's all good ....

edit on 3/23/2013 by FlyersFan because: added word

Man, the Catholics can't catch a break. If they deny the potential for ET life, then they are bad because they are primitives but if they accept the potential for ET life, they are bad because they are just "covering their bases." I guess that you can't please everybody and that there are some people that will dislike them no matter what they do.

They can't even "cover their bases" since any sort of harmony between Catholic worldview and superior intelligence is erroneous and incongruous if we take the bible as "the truth".

Just because a member of the faith says their is no issue and Catholic worldview fits perfectly with Aliens doesn't mean there isn't. A member of the faith who says these things is no better than the Iraq Information minister.

Originally posted by igor_ats

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by FlyersFan
A few years ago(if I remember correctly), the Vatican astronomer came out and said that it was likely that life exists elsewhere in the universe. The Vatican basically said 'thats fine .. it won't change your faith in God'.

It's all good ....

edit on 3/23/2013 by FlyersFan because: added word

Man, the Catholics can't catch a break. If they deny the potential for ET life, then they are bad because they are primitives but if they accept the potential for ET life, they are bad because they are just "covering their bases." I guess that you can't please everybody and that there are some people that will dislike them no matter what they do.

They can't even "cover their bases" since any sort of harmony between Catholic worldview and superior intelligence is erroneous and incongruous if we take the bible as "the truth".

Just because a member of the faith says their is no issue and Catholic worldview fits perfectly with Aliens doesn't mean there isn't. A member of the faith who says these things is no better than the Iraq Information minister.

LOL. So if someone else's interpretation of the Bible is different than yours, they must be of inferior intelligence?

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by igor_ats

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by FlyersFan
A few years ago(if I remember correctly), the Vatican astronomer came out and said that it was likely that life exists elsewhere in the universe. The Vatican basically said 'thats fine .. it won't change your faith in God'.

It's all good ....

edit on 3/23/2013 by FlyersFan because: added word

Man, the Catholics can't catch a break. If they deny the potential for ET life, then they are bad because they are primitives but if they accept the potential for ET life, they are bad because they are just "covering their bases." I guess that you can't please everybody and that there are some people that will dislike them no matter what they do.

They can't even "cover their bases" since any sort of harmony between Catholic worldview and superior intelligence is erroneous and incongruous if we take the bible as "the truth".

Just because a member of the faith says their is no issue and Catholic worldview fits perfectly with Aliens doesn't mean there isn't. A member of the faith who says these things is no better than the Iraq Information minister.

LOL. So if someone else's interpretation of the Bible is different than yours, they must be of inferior intelligence?

If the best they got to support them is vague OT text that God was "secretly telling us about Aliens" then my opinion > their/your opinion (imo of course).

If this is not what you're talking about can you highlight what text are you refrring to that they're referring to?

Also the bible seems pretty clear on creation/Adam and Eve etc. you tell me which is the correct interpretation of these "biblical truths"? They're just allegories yes?

Originally posted by igor_ats

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by igor_ats

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by FlyersFan
A few years ago(if I remember correctly), the Vatican astronomer came out and said that it was likely that life exists elsewhere in the universe. The Vatican basically said 'thats fine .. it won't change your faith in God'.

It's all good ....

edit on 3/23/2013 by FlyersFan because: added word

Man, the Catholics can't catch a break. If they deny the potential for ET life, then they are bad because they are primitives but if they accept the potential for ET life, they are bad because they are just "covering their bases." I guess that you can't please everybody and that there are some people that will dislike them no matter what they do.

They can't even "cover their bases" since any sort of harmony between Catholic worldview and superior intelligence is erroneous and incongruous if we take the bible as "the truth".

Just because a member of the faith says their is no issue and Catholic worldview fits perfectly with Aliens doesn't mean there isn't. A member of the faith who says these things is no better than the Iraq Information minister.

LOL. So if someone else's interpretation of the Bible is different than yours, they must be of inferior intelligence?

If the best they got to support them is vague OT text that God was "secretly telling us about Aliens" then my opinion > their/your opinion (imo of course).

If this is not what you're talking about can you highlight what text are you refrring to that they're referring to?

Also the bible seems pretty clear on creation/Adam and Eve etc. you tell me which is the correct interpretation of these "biblical truths"? They're just allegories yes?

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Firstly, one could argue that arguing that one's take on mythological writings are more intelligent than another's is a tad bit silly as there really is no empirical proof that any of the Bible is scientifically true--can you prove that angels exist?

Secondly, the Catholic Church did not argue that there was proof of aliens in the Bible, they simply did not reject the possability that they may exist and, as such, would fall in teh same category as other intelligent beings not mentioned in the Bible, such as the native Americans. Obviously the Americas were not mentioned in the Bible at all and Christianity adapted to the New World quite well.

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This is better suited for church Sunday buffet meetings then forum discussion. They can believe in moon being center of universe, would you believe?


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Firstly, one could argue that arguing that one's take on mythological writings are more intelligent than another's is a tad bit silly as there really is no empirical proof that any of the Bible is scientifically true--can you prove that angels exist?

Since we both agree these writings have no scientific merit and are open to interpretation I don't see what the problem is in saying so. What is your issue with it again?

If you want a reason why these vague texts have very flimsy argumentative weight as proof of Aliens consider:

1 - The Church doesn't even endorse these texts as proof either. Leaving only certain Catholics.

2 - You can't go reading a verse or two and make your own interpretation based on that. You have to take the verse in context of what is being talked about in the chapter and also in the book. The bible doesn't talk about other planets, aliens and peoples. If it did then likely God would have to send his son to save each one. And if there was all these other inhabited planets most likely the bible would talk about it to incentivize the idea of us reaching out and communicating with them. But again it doesn't promote that idea at all.

Christians know in the back of their minds that it is highly improbable superior Aliens would back up the Bible and have Jesus as their savior. But they're still desperate to find some common ground to allow belief in both, because they know their charlatan worldviews don't and won't stand up to scrutiny. Wasn't the world flat once to them?

Secondly, the Catholic Church did not argue that there was proof of aliens in the Bible, they simply did not reject the possability that they may exist and, as such, would fall in teh same category as other intelligent beings not mentioned in the Bible, such as the native Americans. Obviously the Americas were not mentioned in the Bible at all and Christianity adapted to the New World quite well.

Goalpost change. The member of the clergy in the OP argued there is no problem believing in both. The fact is, there is. I have pointed them out already.

Originally posted by PsiOpSky
reply to post by 2012newstart

 

The church would never accept et life. Because they would lose all their power and no doubt if et lands they will call them the spawn of satan.

Religious people are an interesting bunch they are like a woman they judge you one day and love you the other. Yet secretly they condemn you to hell because you are not one of them

I don't think so. The "church" is a very diverse term, with many layers, movements and agendas. The biggest and oldest organization on Earth. I want to believe the new pope Francis will bless the good ET when they arrive, and will say they are the ones in Ezekiel 1. About the evil ones, I guess a good classification is of Michael Salla, but he misses one big group called Orions, whom I believe Dan Burisch to be good ones. And our designation by constellations as seen from earth is quite imperfect, because those are stars that are farther from each other than from Earth.

How aren't there more specialists to explain all of that to us? They all expect the disclosure. And the disclosure will happen never, unless the ET appear themselves. I hope that day arrives.

As Jesus in Getsemane garden refused to ask the Father to send him 12 legions of angels, understand ET equipped with ships and guns, now Jesus may decide in His mercy to send those unused legions to save His church. Call it whatever, without divine intervention the things go very bad and cannot be stopped towards WW3 to say the least.

Easter vigil homily of pope Francis

(that all is my comment and not quote of the homily)
Pope Francis prepares the faithful for the inevitable change. I recommend you listen to it even if you are far from that style. The change is not only to be looked at religious administrative, social economic, or other levels. The change and newness include the core values that should be re-discovered in the light of the risen Christ. With this homily of pope Francis I am reassured he is the man to do that change in the name of the risen Lord. I dismiss all conspiracies that internet abounds particularly about this election, or other sinister agendas in that regard, as my thread about ExoVaticana talks more. www.abovetopsecret.com... Certainly they may exist for those people who carry them, serve them and want them happen. The dark plans do exist for the dark people. But not for the people who fight them and who put their faith in the risen Lord Jesus. With this last homily that is not the first one for pope Francis, I rest reassured that the catholic church has found the right way and the right person to lead on that way, no matter what. Surely there are secret people who want their secret agendas, who want to use the momentum of emotional masses for their own ends, but they will fail. I want to believe the change will come rather soon within this season. And under change I understand everything talked about in previous posts and threads. I cannot imagine more delay when the world is about to explode in the first nuclear war. The Risen Christ gives new beginning right now, for those who want it, is the summary of all several homilies of this Easter season incl. that of fr Cantalamessa on Good Friday. He said, the risen Christ is already in the new heavens and new earth! And let me ask, perhaps it is a time we join Him on that new earth!?!

I wonder what exactly is cut off from the Gospels. It transpires the fact that the so called church fathers put aside a great deal of texts that were not fit for the emerging judaeo-christian-roman church structure and lifestyle. The secret gospel of Mark is just one example, not alone, of possible other sides of Jesus' character. I do not say this or that is true, I am saying there are many more texts that deliberately were ignored and hidden in the time when the young churches and their leaders formed what we know today as "New testament". It is no surprise there weren't found very old texts dating back to 100 AD the time of John. Why not, if there are older preserved Jewish texts of the Old Testament, let alone other literature of that time? Today's Gospels are composed much later, after the death of the first generation of disciples, the last of whom was John. How about changing the already known texts to ubelievable difference?

How about texts speaking of direct involvement of "angels" bearing extraterrestrial signs, as Ezekiel 1 wheels and Elijah chariot do? What are those men in white clothes that appear here and there, move stones, and transport Philip from Gaza to Azotus? And how about the secret life of Jesus? No one wrote about it? I can't believe it. Rather I would believe it is concealed, banned as heretical, because it disturbed the established way of life that the christianity adapted to quite fast. The persecutions come on top of that. And i wonder, just wonder, didn't some church fathers adapt christian views because of the fear of persecution, or s a result of past persecutions? Emperor Constantine arises on the scene after being a seer or so, and after winning the throne in a battle. He wasn't even baptized at the time when he approved texts of the church! I do not deny anything approved by the holy church. I doubt much has been left outside, and that is the really important part of the Gospels.

Will we have the courage to learn the truth of Jesus our Lord? The biggest fanatics will refuse to believe it, even if they are everyday on mass and say 3 or more rosaries a day. As the pharisees refused to believe any "change" in what they perceived as authentic words of God thru Moses. And in the name of that they crucified Jesus. The story will repeat, only this time the fanatics will be left on this planet that is doomed to destruction and fire. See 2 Peter.

Originally posted by 2012newstart
I wonder what exactly is cut off from the Gospels. It transpires the fact that the so called church fathers put aside a great deal of texts that were not fit for the emerging judaeo-christian-roman church structure and lifestyle. The secret gospel of Mark is just one example, not alone, of possible other sides of Jesus' character. I do not say this or that is true, I am saying there are many more texts that deliberately were ignored and hidden in the time when the young churches and their leaders formed what we know today as "New testament". It is no surprise there weren't found very old texts dating back to 100 AD the time of John. Why not, if there are older preserved Jewish texts of the Old Testament, let alone other literature of that time? Today's Gospels are composed much later, after the death of the first generation of disciples, the last of whom was John. How about changing the already known texts to ubelievable difference?

How about texts speaking of direct involvement of "angels" bearing extraterrestrial signs, as Ezekiel 1 wheels and Elijah chariot do? What are those men in white clothes that appear here and there, move stones, and transport Philip from Gaza to Azotus? And how about the secret life of Jesus? No one wrote about it? I can't believe it. Rather I would believe it is concealed, banned as heretical, because it disturbed the established way of life that the christianity adapted to quite fast. The persecutions come on top of that. And i wonder, just wonder, didn't some church fathers adapt christian views because of the fear of persecution, or s a result of past persecutions? Emperor Constantine arises on the scene after being a seer or so, and after winning the throne in a battle. He wasn't even baptized at the time when he approved texts of the church! I do not deny anything approved by the holy church. I doubt much has been left outside, and that is the really important part of the Gospels.

Will we have the courage to learn the truth of Jesus our Lord? The biggest fanatics will refuse to believe it, even if they are everyday on mass and say 3 or more rosaries a day. As the pharisees refused to believe any "change" in what they perceived as authentic words of God thru Moses. And in the name of that they crucified Jesus. The story will repeat, only this time the fanatics will be left on this planet that is doomed to destruction and fire. See 2 Peter.

The Roman Catholic Church was invented by homosexuals, to try and change to rules of Ascension, and has nothing to do with Jesus. The RCC is still run by homosexuals, although they have kept it secret, up to now, in order to gain wealth and power. Jesus was and is not homosexual.

No-one is passing through the gates to paradise who is not in their own body.

the popular catholic website for prophecies and news Spiritdaily comes with a strong worded view of the UFO disclosure process that is going on in the USA and other countries, as well as the philosophical implications especially for the Catholic church. WHile I recommend reading the article www.spiritdaily.com... "OCCULT WATCH: CAUTION URGED ON CLAIMS OF 'ALIENS,' UFOS, AND VATICAN INVOLVEMENT", at the same time I urge caution reading of this well written article, what could be his personal view, but also a view of hierarchies. They envision encounter with the extraterrestrials in the vast universe only after death. That raises brows, especially when there are enough data and witnesses that the encounter already happened, including with representatives of the Catholic church in L.A. together with Eisenhower meeting with extraterrestrials. Check the interview of command sergeant Robert Dean and others. www.youtube.com...
the most recent citizens' hearing organized by Dr Bassett in Washington national pressclub, presents numbers of credible witnesses of UFO and ET. You can purchase the full tape here www.citizenshearing.org... Dr Greer one of the best specialists in the field and organizer of 2001 UFO disclosure pressconference in the same place, now released his final fiom called Sirius www.sirius.neverendinglight.com... There he gives detailled information of a FOUND and preserved body/skeleton of a being quite short in stature, apparently not coming from our earth. This is so far the best hard evidence presented. In the face of so many and different witnesses to speculate that Roswell was nothing, when the people who worked on Roswell now in their old ages confess the truth, is non serious. Or worse, bears particular agenda.
Former Canadian minister of Defence Paul Helyer on the same citizens' hearing named 5 civilizations of ET already on earth operating, who differ between themselves greatly. www.youtube.com... They are: Zeta Reticuli (Grey), Pleiadians, Orion, Altair and Andromedans. Hellyer said there might be as many as 20 races. Clifford Stone in 2001 conference said about 57 races from 4 main groups. Other researchers put that number to 200. Hellyer quotes Phillip Corso. It is one of the best documentary about Roswell because Corso was in charge of the investigation (the real one) and speaks of several hi-tech taken directly from Roswel, incl the microchip (computer tech and internet that we now write on), stealth and others.

Spiritdaily article denied Roswell that is an absurd when the ex-minister of defense of Canada quoted Phillip Corso's book on Roswell - the colonel who was in charge of investigation. Spiritdaily quotes the citizens' hearing but restricts it to selected individuals and does not include the landmark statement of Paul Hellyer. This only shows the one-sided arbitrary position that the current PR catholic websites take on the risky issue of extraterrestrials. Good they exist over there thousands of light years away and we need an eternity to explore it, only God knows them...after the death...If this is the position of the official church it is too pity. No one will sacrifice his life to learn the truth in the other life. That is an absurd. The phenomenon is here and now. Balducci spoke of it decade ago. Of course it is still not on CNN. But the abovementioned conference in the national pressclub Washington DC is an important step to that end. Or new beginning. There will be people to connect it with the antichrist and so on. But let be realistic. We live in a galaxy with some 400 bln stars, and nowhere in the Gospel is said there can't be other beings, or they can't visit us. In fact the Gospel is full of episodes of such beings, "men in white clothes" etc. For those who want to understand and accept God's action in history there is no controversy. The controversy and demonization remains for the fanatics.

Who are the bad ET guys? Thats a question that needs utmost attention. Not the total demonization that televangelists already do, echoed by catholic ultra-conservative apparition-related websites.

Catholic Church Accepts ET Life?, Why not. This is a huge universe and it would be unreasonable to believe doesn't exist else where. So if the church accepts ET life that why not allow the priests to me married also.

I see the sincere desire of some of the RCC hierarchy for change, incl the newly elected pope. It could be for married priests, it could be ultimately to baptize other star systems. BUT I think RCC will not be allowed by God to do that noble mission, others will instead. Because of historic reasons and sins that are nowhere near to be repaired. So we see now a fight within the ranks for changes and why we do not see any good result coming out already third month after the election of the new pope. Why Malachy list ends? May be I am wrong. May be RCC will find strength to overcome its past centuries negativity. At the moment it is not evident for the common Christian. And, we all are followers of Christ - Christians. The Catholics are not better Christians or worse. Let they remember that they are not alone church. If they do not make the change in a reasonable time within the lifespan of the generation, within the next few years, within the next few months, may be everything will be lost for RCC and it will remain in history. I am not a date setter, but the events are upon us. The miracle of nothing happens continued too long to be continued further. The Generation dies off steadily before our eyes. It cannot last one more 8 year term. Whoever has ears let him hear.

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Absolutely, indeed.

ALL the critters written about since the beginning of my study of the topic in 1962 . . . have, one way or another, demonstrated that THEY ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE SATANIC GLOBALISTS setting up the satan-worshiping global government.

THAT's all I need to know about their goals, motives, nature, character, values etc.

BTW, it does NOT MATTER whether they are truly citizens of distant orbs . . . or fallen angels (which Guy Malone and his panel of high level scholars almost unanimously concluded they are). WHATEVER THEY ARE

they ARE in cahoots with the evil globalists.

Guy's research and experiences with 400 cases . . . are well worth checking out

www.alienresistance.org...

Besides . . . the critters are NOT NICE. Oh, some may help heal their abductees somewhat like one helps heal a calf one is rearing for dinner . . . but normally we don't consider forced rape . . . much less human mutilation . . . as very kind.

Originally posted by 2012newstart
I see what the motivations of the majority of posters are.

However the fact remains there - the Vatican is searching thru mainstream science telescopes alien planets. And if life is discovered on one of them, or someone has already come from there, kept secret, the Catholic Church seems declares she can live with it. Something more - she considers all those ET races to be offered God's grace if they don't have the Revelation of the Bible made by God and His Son on Earth.

INDEED.

Regarding how laughable the ET are at religion - did you meet them to know? The humanity has a price, and the biggest of it is the Son of God who incarnated was crucified and resurrected on Earth. The ET some of them know of that. But perhaps some people here do not accept and do not want that possibility to happen. Some of the humans are hostile at the idea that God's word may spread into the vast cosmos.

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Christians' convictions are that . . .

Christ alone is worthy. He's Creator God . . . nothing that was made was made apart from His making it.

and

. . . Every knee shall bow . . . every tongue confess that Jesus The Christ is Lord of Lords and King of Kings--Supreme God above all gods.

Time will tell . . .

Certainly the globalists and their MSM have snookered vast masses of the populace to dismissively and derisively express hostility toward the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Christ warned that a GREAT DECEPTION would come in the END TIMES . . . SO GREAT a deception that "were it possible," even the very elect would be deceived.

Those already in rebellion against God will likely not have a chance to avoid being snookered into that GREAT DECEPTION.