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posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by Credenceskynyrd
 



were many Germans murdered by Soviets (including Jews) yes?


First of all, the Nazis turned on the Soviets first, so the Nazis had it coming. Secondly, how can a Communist be a Jew?


I don't see your point


You are the one who keeps waffling on the idea of "Jewishness." Sometimes you seem to think it is a religion, at other times you seem to think it is some sort of genetic thing. No wonder you can't see my point.


do not put quotes around a word that nobody has used in this thread.




posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by WaterBottle
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that is what im trying to say. its okay to make up your own belief and live by it.


That's what all religions do.


Do you know how many heinous quotes I can pull out the Old Testament? Which Christians and Jews both think were divinely written.


do not mis quote my words.

what i said was:
"that is what im trying to say. its okay to make up your own belief and live by it. but the zionist are using this for there own agenda to murder and manipulate the world. and they are good at it. trust me i know how silly religion is"
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posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by DJW001

were many Germans murdered by Soviets (including Jews) yes?


First of all, the Nazis turned on the Soviets first, so the Nazis had it coming. Secondly, how can a Communist be a Jew?


what a despicable comment, firstly, rather childlike "wah wah he started it"- though they both "STARTED" it by invading Poland and killing Poles. Secondly I am talking about the murder of German civilians, not necessarily "NATIONAL SOCIALISTS", not that I would agree with murder or justify it.

According to you, German women raped and stabbed to death had it "coming"- what sort of depraved view is this?



You are the one who keeps waffling on the idea of "Jewishness." Sometimes you seem to think it is a religion, at other times you seem to think it is some sort of genetic thing. No wonder you can't see my point.



"waffling"- you would know all about that, with waffle about someone in history being anti semitic................if you follow the trail I picked up on a comment that someone was JEWISH but not religous, which you then jumped on- I was looking for clarification which you certainly have not provided- you seem to think it is genetic with your Chinese reference
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posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 10:29 AM
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yes i still do. because of the actions of zionist jews who follow these teachings.


Even though you can't find a single example that connects the actions of an increasingly right wing Israeli government with the "teachings" in question?

listen i dont really care about the talmud either way it is a non issue.


Then why did you start a thread about it?


i have never studied or read religious scripture of any kind its all just words to me.


That is painfully obvious.


anything can be rationalized if you say the right things to the right people. but actions are louder than words.


For example, you can use the suffering of the Palestinian people to justify your irrational hatred of Jews.


the only reason i posted about the talmud is to eventually expose zionist as evil if i would have came out and said what i thought this thread would have been closed assuming i was anti semitic before i could have made my point . I'm going off history and events that are happening not ancient writings.


Ah, I see. You thought that if you spread Anti-Semitic propaganda under the guise of Anti-Zionist propaganda, the Mods wouldn't delete it as hate speech. Thank you for your candor. I think this thread has served its purpose.



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by DJW001
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that is what im trying to say. its okay to make up your own belief and live by it.


So it was okay for Hitler to promulgate his racial theories?


once again i say do not mis quote my words

what i said was:
"that is what im trying to say. its okay to make up your own belief and live by it. but the zionist are using this for there own agenda to murder and manipulate the world. and they are good at it. trust me i know how silly religion is"

would you please state what hitlers racial theories were?
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posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 10:30 AM
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The issue here stems from mostly Greco-Christian, Western thinking. Rabbinic thought is contingent and relative--it is not at all like the Greek influenced Western thought.

Of course you're going to have issues--you do not understand Rabbinic thinking because you likely operate from a Greco-Christian point of view. Christianity is heavily influenced by Greek philosophy (see Augustine--it's basically Plato).

An example:

The Kal ve-chomer operates on the basis of the particular to the general. That is, the most extreme and isolated scenario establishes the rule for the general. For example, the rules for making ethical decisions in a zombie apocalypse are true for making ethical decisions in all scenarios.

Under the influence of Greek philosophy, Westerners are not at all comfortable in understanding in this way. We understand Aristotelian syllogisms: All men are ethical. Socrates is a man. Therefore Socrates is ethical. See, this is from the general to the particular.

The best way I can think to compare Rabbinic thought to Greco-Christian thinking is to use the comparison of philosophy to rhetoric as an analog. Philosophy is about Truth and Rhetoric is contingent. Philosophy shoots out towards an ideal form--it is hierarchical to a degree (Truth for philosophy, God for religion....there is something abstract and outside of us that these fields of thought believe exists).

Rhetoric deals with the present, not looking outward to an abstraction but inward (Rabbinic thought believes that Torah is the universe--you find the answers within, which is Torah and everything, and not "outside" in some kind of abstract "heaven/god/whatever").



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 10:39 AM
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i think nothing of the talmud or any religious scripture except the original hebrew bible. my post about the talmud was only a front to safely discuss the atrocities on behalf of rothschilds khazars zionist and the state of israel. i do thank you for your reply but including religious arguments would only shift focus of the true topic of this thread. what i want to really discuss are the actions of the zionist jews



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by anoncoholic
reply to post by Hongkongphooey
 


I was under the impression the thread is clear on who represents evil in this world, - those who call themselves Jews but are not.. Now everyone has got their panties in a wad because that line of distinction is fogged by emotional quips and snipes at each other.

Well, here is the thing... Israel is a man not a land bounded by borders. His name was Jacob. If it weren't for the Jews themselves calling the land Israel there wouldn't be such confusion about the Lord's will with regard to His "chosen".

Do you think it is God who is fallible here or just maybe it is the people who claim to know God's will? Every Religion makes this claim and every Religion claims it is the exclusive path to God.

Such arrogance is demanding of God's attention.... oh wait, God had "chosen" His example to the world. He tells us the ending from the beginning and sent His son to fulfill it. Was it you or I that had Christ crucified and still live in denial of His authority in all things? Was it you or I that work behind the scenes and undermine everything by proxy thus removing blame from ourselves?

If you are a true Jew, then show your Christian heart and stop looking the other way at the horrendous way Israel is treating its captive Palestinians. What you are protecting is the sort that shoot to kill on anyone who comes between them and their plan. What's the plan?

Action speaks louder than words and all you need do is look at history to know that all things were meant to be. It is time we all grew out of our prejudicial bias towards any.

That is the will of God, not whole-sale murder for greed or profit... and this isn't a Jew/Arab problem, it is a global problem. When your nations economy is dependent upon arms sales for prosperity then you are as guilty as the guy who pulls the trigger because it is again that murder by proxy thing.

None of our hands are free of the innocent blood that gets spilled as we have a job to go to to pay for a home that is never ours to a banking system that from the very first dollar created never has enough to pay back the debt as the interest soars. Printing more money to dig yourself out and going deeper into debt is the solution?

No, the solution is in finding truth, not some manufactured flavor of it that our trusted Fifth Estate; the media we trust to be our eyes and ears to be our watchdog and sirens of alarm when things are amiss... that is the proxy by which we are fed lies and led to evil solutions.

This isn't about Jews, but about those who use the Jews along with everyone else... as a means to an end. That end is coming just not the end they thought they wanted - at least not the individuals that got duped along with the rest of humanity..

It is easy to create a fall guy / scapegoat / red herring, however you want to put it bottom line is that someone else pays for someone elses profits and the only relevant quote here is that the camel through the eye of a needle is impossible.

But then you have to believe in the Kingdom of Heaven to have the morality to see this. This society, like unto the days of Noah, has reached its manifest destiny and all you or anyone else can do is try to sort out just who is telling the truth.

I put my Faith on God because if you put your Faith in a man, any man, you are going to be let down. God is not Religion, God is Faith and Spirit. With God comes Hope and serenity.

I do not see that calmness and wholesomeness of spirit anywhere on earth. We are barely even able to discuss it.

Israel oh Israel... what a tangled web of deceit this world had become since the crucifixion ... and yet you live in denial of truth. You will reap what you have sown .. and mankind will be dragged down with you because passions are high and blood is thicker than water. You can kill half-brothers gleefully and it is never enough, you wanted it all. The spirit of Able still cries out for justice... this all goes beyond race/creed/religion, this is ultimately about growing a conscience.

You have to face your demons or you are headed in the wrong direction.


Well you seem to make alot of judgements and innuendo towards me and Israel? I am not Israeli, i was born and raised by Jewish parents, although I don't follow reigion yet I abhore what both the Israeli's and Palestinians do to each other in tit for tat confrontation, I am not sure of the point of your post? How can any man, let alone one like myself show a 'Christian' heart when its just a made up fairytale based on Egyptian, Greek and Roman mythology to control the masses! Did the Crusaders or Inquisition have true Christian hearts???



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by asher
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thats what im saying. except this race owns most of america and are engaging in the genocide of Palestinians as we speak. i couldn't care less about the religious aspect. but these people have no morals and they are using us as pawns. to them we are goyim cattle. and people so readily jump to there defense and pull the anti Semitic card when they are questioned. the jews in israel are employing the same tactics the the nazis used against them. and they are not even real jews.


For the record, I'm Catholic........ but to categorize a whole race of people due to 3,000 year old religious writings is totally ridiculous. Did you ever read the Bible us "Christians" supposedly adhere to? God kills innocents in the first few books of the Bible, condones abortion, etc. Non-Christians probably think our religious writings are whacked.



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by UnBreakable

Originally posted by asher
reply to post by g146541
 


thats what im saying. except this race owns most of america and are engaging in the genocide of Palestinians as we speak. i couldn't care less about the religious aspect. but these people have no morals and they are using us as pawns. to them we are goyim cattle. and people so readily jump to there defense and pull the anti Semitic card when they are questioned. the jews in israel are employing the same tactics the the nazis used against them. and they are not even real jews.


For the record, I'm Catholic........ but to categorize a whole race of people due to 3,000 year old religious writings is totally ridiculous. Did you ever read the Bible us "Christians" supposedly adhere to? God kills innocents in the first few books of the Bible, condones abortion, etc. Non-Christians probably think our religious writings are whacked.


answer me this though, if you don't believe in religion how can you be Christian (not you personally)



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 10:43 AM
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Perhaps you mistake me for being of Jewish descent... my roots go back to paganism until the first millennium when a king (Steven) made the entire nation Christian . Up until that time they were a force to be feared and had done much conquering, so much so that others feared them.

Since that time the nation had been whittled down in size repeatedly but wouldn't have been so if they had continued with their barbaric ways. This isn't about them (Magyar) but about the maturation of mankind to outgrow its evil past.

If one Nation can do it and considering just how barbaric they were, any Nation can transform itself to a more modern outlook regarding life as being precious and not merely a statistic to be tallied up during times of war.

We are all our most precious resource. Why is there an element in society that still seeks to stagnate mankind's progress towards a Utopian existence?

Because it puts everyone as equal, no better - no worse than any other.

Altruism aside, "pride goes before the fall"

Just ask those Nazi's when they found out how cheap life got.. They made the same mistake of putting their Faith in a man.



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by UnBreakable

Originally posted by asher
reply to post by g146541
 


thats what im saying. except this race owns most of america and are engaging in the genocide of Palestinians as we speak. i couldn't care less about the religious aspect. but these people have no morals and they are using us as pawns. to them we are goyim cattle. and people so readily jump to there defense and pull the anti Semitic card when they are questioned. the jews in israel are employing the same tactics the the nazis used against them. and they are not even real jews.


For the record, I'm Catholic........ but to categorize a whole race of people due to 3,000 year old religious writings is totally ridiculous. Did you ever read the Bible us "Christians" supposedly adhere to? God kills innocents in the first few books of the Bible, condones abortion, etc. Non-Christians probably think our religious writings are whacked.


who mentioned anything about "categorize a whole race of people due to 3,000 year old religious writings" this thread is about the zionist regime of israel. like I've said before i am not talking about all jews i am only talking about rothschilds khazars and zionist. please point out the part in which i have categorized a whole race and i will stand corrected but until then dont put words in my mouth. and no i have never read the bible



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by anoncoholic
reply to post by asher
 


Perhaps you mistake me for being of Jewish descent... my roots go back to paganism until the first millennium when a king (Steven) made the entire nation Christian . Up until that time they were a force to be feared and had done much conquering, so much so that others feared them.

Since that time the nation had been whittled down in size repeatedly but wouldn't have been so if they had continued with their barbaric ways. This isn't about them (Magyar) but about the maturation of mankind to outgrow its evil past.

If one Nation can do it and considering just how barbaric they were, any Nation can transform itself to a more modern outlook regarding life as being precious and not merely a statistic to be tallied up during times of war.

We are all our most precious resource. Why is there an element in society that still seeks to stagnate mankind's progress towards a Utopian existence?

Because it puts everyone as equal, no better - no worse than any other.

Altruism aside, "pride goes before the fall"

Just ask those Nazi's when they found out how cheap life got.. They made the same mistake of putting their Faith in a man.


no i didn't think about weather you were jewish or not. the same thing i said to you i would say to my brother or my son. its advice that helped me. the only truth you can know for certain is your own. thats why you follow your heart and not anyone else's
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posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 10:58 AM
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My apologies, while I am replying to you I am speaking to all. Not "at" all, TO all.

I find it sad that God is made to blame for the actions of man.. OT was a time of growth and maturity. Many things were commanded to determine just how devout a people were. Many killings were commanded by God who was still actively engaged with man, until that point in time He left us to sort it all out and like I keep saying "If you love something, set it free; if it comes back to you, its yours, if it doesn't it never was.

Many of those killings were about bloodlines and the propagation of evil. Its like that theoretical analogy of being able to travel back in time and killing a Hitler for example. Who then takes command. Its the devil you know vs the devil you don't .

People don't believe in God because evil had undermined Faith. Religions sprang up after Christ because He was a phenomena that even 2k years later has as much of an impact upon lives as He did back then - maybe even more so..

Perhaps it is time for the true Christian church to stand and be known. God will manifest His will and make believers out of all... but not until all are on the same page and cease the endless violence that escalates with each brutal act.

It really is simple math people 1+1 = 2 , 1-1 = 0

Untied we stand ... divided by evil we fall



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by Credenceskynyrd

Originally posted by UnBreakable

Originally posted by asher
reply to post by g146541
 


thats what im saying. except this race owns most of america and are engaging in the genocide of Palestinians as we speak. i couldn't care less about the religious aspect. but these people have no morals and they are using us as pawns. to them we are goyim cattle. and people so readily jump to there defense and pull the anti Semitic card when they are questioned. the jews in israel are employing the same tactics the the nazis used against them. and they are not even real jews.


For the record, I'm Catholic........ but to categorize a whole race of people due to 3,000 year old religious writings is totally ridiculous. Did you ever read the Bible us "Christians" supposedly adhere to? God kills innocents in the first few books of the Bible, condones abortion, etc. Non-Christians probably think our religious writings are whacked.


answer me this though, if you don't believe in religion how can you be Christian (not you personally)


Because Religion and spirituality are entirely different. People do not comprehend the spirit so they created religions to define it. All think their definition to be the only path and yet their moral compass is skewed by polarization within their own minds.



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 11:11 AM
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Because Religion and spirituality are entirely different. People do not comprehend the spirit so they created religions to define it. All think their definition to be the only path and yet their moral compass is skewed by polarization within their own minds.


i agree with you on this point. religion is just different perspectives and opinions on spirituality. if you notice in the time of enoch there was no religion, he was simply a man that walked with god. hebrews also did not worship gods or idols
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posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by anoncoholic

Originally posted by Credenceskynyrd

Originally posted by UnBreakable

Originally posted by asher
reply to post by g146541
 


thats what im saying. except this race owns most of america and are engaging in the genocide of Palestinians as we speak. i couldn't care less about the religious aspect. but these people have no morals and they are using us as pawns. to them we are goyim cattle. and people so readily jump to there defense and pull the anti Semitic card when they are questioned. the jews in israel are employing the same tactics the the nazis used against them. and they are not even real jews.


For the record, I'm Catholic........ but to categorize a whole race of people due to 3,000 year old religious writings is totally ridiculous. Did you ever read the Bible us "Christians" supposedly adhere to? God kills innocents in the first few books of the Bible, condones abortion, etc. Non-Christians probably think our religious writings are whacked.


answer me this though, if you don't believe in religion how can you be Christian (not you personally)


Because Religion and spirituality are entirely different. People do not comprehend the spirit so they created religions to define it. All think their definition to be the only path and yet their moral compass is skewed by polarization within their own minds.


potentially your response is valid, but many who identify as "jewish" are not even spiritual, they would be atheists



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 11:17 AM
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Even if you aren't "taught" the Talmud, it is still part of your religion.

Own it.



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by asher
does no one else have a problem with this?

this is from the ex ats member wise man

JUDAISM FROM THE TALMUD

Approves of Sodomy: "If one
committed sodomy with a child of
less than nine years, no guilt is
incurred" (Sanhedrin 5 4b)


This should be moved to Hoax.

Your source material is not correct: (see this link)

The Sanhedrin is the Jewish court system -- it's not a book

The Babylonian Talmud can be found in its entirety at this link. There is no chapter called "Sanhedrin" and no book called "Sanhedirn."



posted on Mar, 19 2013 @ 11:32 AM
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the actions of an increasingly right wing Israeli government


once again i dont hate jews. this thread is about the evil of zionist israel. even you notice it. so what is our true argument. all you do is bring up non issues.


(Incidentally, there are Zionists who are little better than bearded skinheads, but they are an exception, not the rule.)


here you are again agreeing with what i am saying


Well said, sir. I agree with you about the increasingly irrational acts of the Israeli government. Their reprehensible actions stem from a hardening siege mentality, not religion.


and again. so whats the problem? or are you just trolling?
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