Originally posted by JoeyC
By taking a Christian viewpoint you can easily become biased until it becomes second nature. Your mind will be fixed with second hand notions and
Christian morals and these cloud a persons power of critical thought and reason.
Now truly, the morals you talk about, that I explained through the 3 basic rules of christianity. Are they that bad?
Wouldn't I be right if I said, that such morals should allready be "implemented" in everyone? Or that one should really not need a bible to
understand the importance of christian values?
Christianity ultimately ends up doing your thinking for you, you will base important decisions first from a Christian viewpoint and second (or
not at all) from YOUR viewpoint of reason.
This is the case for *some* christians probably.
It is true that, when I have a relationship with God, I will ask Him questions and seek His guidance when I am about to make big choices in my life,
but it's not that or
my own choice.
I believe that God puts choices and desires in our hearts, and that some of the things we want are actually also the things God wants for us.
I can assure you that there is no "easy christian answer" to every single question and that christians did not stop thinking even though they
communicate with the creator of the universe.
Ultimately i see Christianity as a dangerous pacifier of the human will to resist persectution with notions such as 'if you are struck, turn
the other cheek' and 'the meek will inherit the Earth'- sounds to me like Jesus is saying look just put up with it, you'l get what you deserve
when your dead as long as you just shut up.
No not at all. The verse you quote here is not about what your reward is in heaven. It is about what your reward is on earth.
This part is probably the most mysterious and strange thing about Christianity.
The hardest thing and the most powerfull thing to do, always has to do with choosing the positive side, even when you are confronted with
Jesus was powerfull and could have ordered 5000 angels to kill every single "hostile", yelling "crucify him", but He didn't.
The jews following Him, did not understand this. They expected Jesus to conquer over his enemies with violence and pure power.
The message God gave through this history is that Jesus did
fight the most important battle ever, and that he did
conquer the enemy. But
the enemies were not humans, the enemies were human sins. And the fighting was not through violence, but through a grace that goes beyond our
You are not supposed to shut up. Did Jesus shut up?
No He didn't and it got Him killed, but in the end His death led to our sins being paid for.
Because I am opposing Christianity you assume i know nothing about it? I was a Christian for 14 years I have read and understood the bible. It does
contain many contradictions, that is a black and white fact that cant be denied.
I have yet to see the first contradiction that really convinces me of there being contradictions in the bible. And believe me I have seen a load.
This is not about who can find or debunk the most contradictions though, but I still think you or anyone is able to find out why something is not a
It does trash human virtue, nature and morals when your mind is overwritten with Christian morals and does your thinking for you- even if you havent
realised it yet.
Once again, the christian morals are not wrong, neither is your mind being overwritten with anything if you agree with the christian morals.
I looked at the webpage that you provided and it is about a christian doing the right thing and helping a gay friend not feel sinful and telling them
that you are who you are. However it seems that this way the unchristian thing to do. The christian thing to do would have been to tell them that
being gay IS in fact a sin. I typed in 'christian teaching on homosexuality' into google and all the result pages told me christian belief was that
homosexuality is wrong, homosexuals ARE persecuted by christians.
It's not about a christian doing the right thing.
Read the "letter to Louise" and you may understand.
It's about a renewed way of thinking about homosexuals in the christian world, that's being recognised by more and more churches every day.
And yes I know a lot of christians are still wrong in this area, but that does not mean christianity is.
This way of thinking perfectly explains how the bible should be read when brainstorming about this subject. It explains verses about homosexuality and
offers an answer to the many questions and fears that homosexual christians today have.
Not responsible for any death..........can you really say you believe that?
Thousands of Christians have died as martyrs for this their faith
The holy war of the crusades was plain genocide
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Yep, remember christians
did that, not christianity.
I will not deny that many christians have been wrong in the past and that lots of horrible things happened in the name of God.
But I know that noone
can deny the clearness of the example God gave us through Jesus. One look at the NT and you know just how wrong these
people, doing that things in the name of God, have been.
They were clearly not acting out of their christianity, they were acting out of their ignorance, fear and most of all hunger for power, control and
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