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Originally posted by windword
It is my contention, as well as others, that Jesus' mission was to restore the Torah, which Paul has made obsolete.
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Yet, Jesus was speaking to Jews when he reminded them that they couldn't serve Mammon, wealth, and his Father God. Wasn't it Mammon that the money changers in the Jewish Temple were representing.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by windword
Do you consider that an authoritative source?
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by windword
It is my contention, as well as others, that Jesus' mission was to restore the Torah, which Paul has made obsolete.
What others? I've never heard that before, and it's certainly not supported by any New Testament scripture or writing of any early church father.
Originally posted by windword
It's PBS. Yes I consider it an authorative source. And their citations back up my claims that other's also see the facts as I do!
Now, it has sometimes been suggested that Jesus, himself, or maybe even John the Baptist, were members of this group. And that can't be proven at all. But what the Essenes and the Qumran scrolls do show us is the kind of challenges that could be brought against some of the traditional lines of Jewish thought, and even the operation of the Temple itself.
Originally posted by windword
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by windword
Do you consider that an authoritative source?
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by windword
It is my contention, as well as others, that Jesus' mission was to restore the Torah, which Paul has made obsolete.
What others? I've never heard that before, and it's certainly not supported by any New Testament scripture or writing of any early church father.
It's PBS. Yes I consider it an authorative source. And their citations back up my claims that other's also see the facts as I do!
The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, and our growing knowledge of the Essene community that produced them, gives us one of the most important pieces of evidence for the diversity of Jewish life and thought in the time of Jesus. Now, it has sometimes been suggested that Jesus, himself, or maybe even John the Baptist, were members of this group. And that can't be proven at all. But what the Essenes and the Qumran scrolls do show us is the kind of challenges that could be brought against some of the traditional lines of Jewish thought, and even the operation of the Temple itself. So if one of our perspectives is that there is this growing tension in Jerusalem, the Essenes are probably the best example of how radical that questioning of Temple life might…
Then Jesus went into the Temple, threw out everyone who was selling and buying in the Temple, and overturned the moneychangers' tables and the chairs of those who sold doves.
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by windword
It's PBS. Yes I consider it an authorative source. And their citations back up my claims that other's also see the facts as I do!
Setting aside the source, which I have no opinion of, you are misrepresenting the claims of it.
From your linked article:
Now, it has sometimes been suggested that Jesus, himself, or maybe even John the Baptist, were members of this group. And that can't be proven at all. But what the Essenes and the Qumran scrolls do show us is the kind of challenges that could be brought against some of the traditional lines of Jewish thought, and even the operation of the Temple itself.
Underlining is mine, but please explain how "can't be proven at all" equates to "seeing the facts as I do!"
The Essenes considered themselves to be a separate people--not because of external signs like skin color, hair color, etc., but because of the illumination of their inner life and their knowledge of the hidden mysteries of nature unknown to other men. They considered themselves to be also a group of people at the center of all peoples--because everyone could become part of it, as soon as they had successfully passed the selective tests.
They thought, and rightly so, that they were the heirs of God's sons and daughters of old, the heirs to their great ancient civilization. They possessed their advanced knowledge and worked assiduously in secret for the triumph of the light over the darkness of the human mind.
They felt that they had been entrusted with a mission, which would turn out to be the founding of Christianity and of western civilization. They were supported in this effort by highly evolved beings who directed the brotherhood. They were true saints, Masters of wisdom, hierophants of the ancient arts of mastery.
www.essenespirit.com...
Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Haha, beat ya to it
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by NOTurTypical
You know, the existence of Jesus can't be proven either.
However, there are a large number of worshipers, in the past and still today who have formed churches and societies based around the belief that Jesus was an Essene Master, the Righteous Teacher of the prophecies and taught The Essene Way.
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by NOTurTypical
That's your interpretation.
Mine is that they were practicing "purity laws" incorrectly and blasphemously for profit, Mammon.
Then Jesus went into the Temple, threw out everyone who was selling and buying in the Temple, and overturned the moneychangers' tables and the chairs of those who sold doves.
What were doves? The symbol of the "Holy Spirit" of which it's blasphemy will not be forgiven in this life, or the next.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by NOTurTypical
You know, the existence of Jesus can't be proven either.
Historians don't share that view. Even atheist ones.
However, there are a large number of worshipers, in the past and still today who have formed churches and societies based around the belief that Jesus was an Essene Master, the Righteous Teacher of the prophecies and taught The Essene Way.
And that's why I asked if your opinion of that source is authoritative. You affirmed your contention that in fact it was. To which was pointed out that the idea has no proof at all. Not "some", but none at all.edit on 2-3-2013 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by NOTurTypical
You know, the existence of Jesus can't be proven either.
However, there are a large number of worshipers, in the past and still today who have formed churches and societies based around the belief that Jesus was an Essene Master
Bullocks! I can cite numerous scholars that will claim that the Biblical character of Jesus is an combination of various teachers and myths.
Originally posted by windword
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by NOTurTypical
You know, the existence of Jesus can't be proven either.
Historians don't share that view. Even atheist ones.
Bullocks! I can cite numerous scholars that will claim that the Biblical character of Jesus is an combination of various teachers and myths.
Is was not my intention to prove that Jesus was an Essene, in that post, but to prove that Essenes thought the Jewish temple was run by wicked priests. The source is valid!
12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.