Some film makers do try to call it as it is - but they are in the minority.
Whilst I enjoyed watching JFK, (think I've watched it two or three times in total), and it certainly helped highlight many of the unanswered questions surrounding Kennedy's assassination, it is not however marketed as a definitive explanation of the assassination but rather a representation of Jim Garrison's prosecution of Clay Shaw - a subtle but very important difference.
There are many who would argue that Stone's interpretation includes many inaccuracies and doubt Garrison's sincerity and tactics.
But I guess that's a whole different arguement altogether.
It is almost laughable the way Americans start wars, do not or cannot finish them, and then claim to be the great conquering heroes.
That's not what the OP has been saying, but if I were American, I'd be somewhat ashamed of the need for jingoistic Bravo Sierra in an already gripping tale. But then...there was "The Great Escape", too.
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by krazykanuk
So you are saying the whole of America's role in the escape is made up? You are saying that it was Canada's plan entirely from start to finish and executed by Canadians and American's never went there and this never happened?
Sure...and this tale is pretty much true. Except maybe for the following:
Originally posted by Openeye
If someone watches a movie and takes it at face value, than they are ignorant. It is not the reponibility of film makers who create "entertainment" to accurately portray historical events, if you want a history lesson pick up a book or go take a class.
...Ken Taylor would like to set the historical record straight about what happened after the U.S. embassy was overrun by militants on Nov. 4, 1979, and six Americans found safe haven in a pair of official Canadian residences.
Argo says: Tony Mendez was a CIA agent who single-handedly dreamed up the cockamamie rescue scenario that would see him fly into Tehran, prep the six Americans with the cover story that they were actually a Canadian film crew in the country to scout locations for a science-fiction film, and then thread the needle by spiriting them out from under the watchful eye of the trigger-happy Iranian Revolutionary Guard.
Taylor says: While the CIA did finally settle on the Hollywood cover idea, Taylor intended for the six Americans to leave on their own as part of a wave of Canadians departing in the normal course of international travel. “I was cutting back the staff,” he recalls. “[The Americans] would just be Canadians going through, some on business, some going back after temporarily serving at the embassy.” Sometime before the date of departure, the CIA decided it wanted to send in two agents to travel with the escapees. “Tony and one other officer came in, then went out. I think they were at the airport and monitored their [departure]. Because there was no interrogation at the airport.”
Argo says: Travel documents were skillfully, single-handedly forged and doctored by Tony Mendez.
Taylor says: “The documentation was totally prepared in Ottawa.” That included passports, business cards, credit cards and other ephemera (receipts from restaurants in Toronto, Montreal etc.) that would help establish the legitimacy of the six Americans as a Canadian film crew. After one Farsi-speaking member of Taylor’s staff discovered an error in the documents, more passports were issued by Ottawa and couriered via diplomatic pouch to Tehran.
Argo says: Filmmakers built up the tension by having (the fictional) Ken Taylor inform Tony Mendez that Ottawa had given orders for the embassy to be closed, which would have left the house guests with nowhere to go.
Taylor says: “It’s inconceivable that Canada would have closed the embassy while U.S. diplomats were still there. It wouldn’t even have occurred to us.”
On Monday, Taylor said he was mollified by former U.S. president Jimmy Carter telling CNN’s Piers Morgan last week that the film greatly exaggerated the CIA’s role and underplayed the Canadians’ contributions. “When a U.S. citizen makes that case, it really has an authenticity to it, and a disinterest,” said Taylor. “He’s just clarifying those first three months.” Caper
I guess some folks are just far too accustomed to being fed crap and being told it tastes good.
It would be interesting to put that figure up against the number of people who will simply watch it and accept it as truth. Period. I would remind you of the weapons of mass destruction, and the Kuwaiti babies that fueled two of your wars. Oh, and Afghanistan. That was because of Bin Laden, right? Or was it the plight of the women? And FOX news...fair and balanced.
Originally posted by Openeye
And if you really think that the majority of people who actually understand the difference between fiction and reality will simply accept what Hollywood puts out as fact simply because a movie says it is "based on a true story" than as I said to the OP, you are deluded.
BTW: For full disclosure, in Apollo 13, the 3 astronauts NEVER argued in the command module. Ron Howard took artistic license in that scene to convey a heightened sense of drama that made the movie more compelling. It is accepted because, you guessed it, it's HOLLYWOOD.
It would be interesting to put that figure up against the number of people who will simply watch it and accept it as truth.
I would remind you of the weapons of mass destruction, and the Kuwaiti babies that fueled two of your wars. Oh, and Afghanistan. That was because of Bin Laden, right? Or was it the plight of the women? And FOX news...fair and balanced.
I think you've just become entirely used to being lied to, and accept truthiness as about as good as you're gonna get. When the rest of the world starts to say "Don't step in that, Wilbur...", why take offence?
Originally posted by CranialSponge
Originally posted by newcovenant
Thanks to the USA you people are living with lights, cars, movies and computers...
This part of your post made me laugh so hard I damn near fell off my chair.
Congratulations for proving the OP's point that the average American apparently does buy into the flag waving propaganda being fed to them (whether it comes from Hollywood or otherwise) as factual "historical truths".