Was Oswald really shot?

reply to post by lynxpilot

There have been arguments that certain things took place because of a fear for public demand for war if there was foreign involvement in the JFK assassination. There's even quotes from LBJ substantiating the idea itself, but I'm not buying it. Public opinion never has had its finger on the red button. Nuclear release has always been the prerogative of the president and LBJ's "40 million people" comment was bunk. I'm also inclined to believe that the public wouldn't be very anxious to participate in a 'guaranteed mutual destruction' event. I also don't believe that if LBJ or any other government official was convinced that there was foreign involvement in a presidential assassination that they would just sweep it under the carpet with Oswald's death. It would be investigated ruthlessly, because they wouldn't want the world to see how easy it was to off a president. Especially for a turd like LBJ. His actions in the subsequent months were very telling of his role in some really evil doings.

The public may not have its hand on the "nuclear football,"but they do have it on the handle of the voting machine. If word got out that JFK was killed by a Cuban hit team (even without mention of the assist from Bulgarians working for the KGB) they would fully expect that the US send the Marines to teach Fidel a lesson. Any President would run the risk of not being re-elected. After the Cuban Missile Crisis, it was hard to judge how the Kremlin would react, but they might be inclined to escalate in the face of what they perceived as Khrushchev 's earlier "weakness." It would be more palatable from the government's point of view that the American people believe that the President was killed by an unhinged loner exercising his Second Amendment rights than admit that foreign agents were operating lethally,and with compete impunity, in the United States. In order to tease out the details of the plot, they would need Oswald alive on the one hand, while leaving the foreign operatives convinced that they were in no danger from the information in Oswald's head. As I have said, this is one of the few odd aspects of the affair that makes any sense.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by lynxpilot

 

There have been arguments that certain things took place because of a fear for public demand for war if there was foreign involvement in the JFK assassination. There's even quotes from LBJ substantiating the idea itself, but I'm not buying it. Public opinion never has had its finger on the red button. Nuclear release has always been the prerogative of the president and LBJ's "40 million people" comment was bunk. I'm also inclined to believe that the public wouldn't be very anxious to participate in a 'guaranteed mutual destruction' event. I also don't believe that if LBJ or any other government official was convinced that there was foreign involvement in a presidential assassination that they would just sweep it under the carpet with Oswald's death. It would be investigated ruthlessly, because they wouldn't want the world to see how easy it was to off a president. Especially for a turd like LBJ. His actions in the subsequent months were very telling of his role in some really evil doings.

The public may not have its hand on the "nuclear football,"but they do have it on the handle of the voting machine. If word got out that JFK was killed by a Cuban hit team (even without mention of the assist from Bulgarians working for the KGB) they would fully expect that the US send the Marines to teach Fidel a lesson. Any President would run the risk of not being re-elected. After the Cuban Missile Crisis, it was hard to judge how the Kremlin would react, but they might be inclined to escalate in the face of what they perceived as Khrushchev 's earlier "weakness." It would be more palatable from the government's point of view that the American people believe that the President was killed by an unhinged loner exercising his Second Amendment rights than admit that foreign agents were operating lethally,and with compete impunity, in the United States. In order to tease out the details of the plot, they would need Oswald alive on the one hand, while leaving the foreign operatives convinced that they were in no danger from the information in Oswald's head. As I have said, this is one of the few odd aspects of the affair that makes any sense.

That doesn't wash to me because the assassination of a president is as much of a threat as anything else, and would elicit some sort of response. If it really was a Cuban or Soviet venture, then how would the successors know that it wouldn't continue or escalate? Your argument assumes that the LBJ administration was willig to accept the assassination of the president as an aside, and not an act of war. Moreover, NSM's, State Department efforts, Kennedy's speeches, and everything else related to Kennedy indicated rapproachment with both Cuba and USSR. It would be absolutely absurd for either one of them to assassinate the president with the risk of being exposed when he was effectively the first and last bastion of hope they had of ever coming to some sort of terms with 'the enemy' whom they knew to have a significant armament advantage. This is all evidenced in subsequent statements and literature given by both Castro and Cruschev as well as the reporters and state department reps who were involved in talks with Cuba and the USSR.

I disagree but I really enjoyed your response. Makes for some good discussion. You might just convince me that I'm full of crap. Never know.

Wow. For a lot of posters here, it's still 1964!
We know a whole lot more now.

Oswald and David Ferrie go way back to Civil Air Patrol days. From there, Oswald got selected for special schools in Russian languages long before his, phony defection. He was at Atsugi the same base as Francis Gary Powers. No such thing as coincidence.

But, wait, let's go back farther than that. After WWII the wheels of war were still in gear. As far as the banks were concerned. They just needed a reason to keep it going. That's why bodda doom, badda bing, former allies become instant "enemies". I know the Report From Iron Mountain wasn't on paper yet, but the outline was already there. There is no desirability for Peace on the banks balance sheets.

It has been discovered that even during the hurry on follow up to seal the deal in the public's eyes that there was a new grave threat with the proxy war in Korea but the Soviets and the Americans were funded by the same team. As usual.

Flash forward, to cement the ruse further, the Cuban missile crisis was engineered.
One of many objectives was the plan to overthrow the government and make the island into the Las Vegas of the
Carribean. I think that having gotton wind of this is the main reason why JFK balked on sending in the troops there.
It is also the reason why you find people like Jack Ruby, Carlos Marcellos and Johnny Roselli involved in the plot.
That's their beef.

The banks had theirs with the currency issues.

The CIA had theirs. There can be little doubt that Oswald was ONI. There is little doubt he was set up.
There is little doubt that George deMorenshildt was CIA. There are no cases I've heard of where you renounce
your citizenship and waltz back with a well connected Soviet miliary bride and nobody from the State Dept. and
CIA ignore you.

Here's a few more pies. Golden Triangle was about drug running and oil exploration. Hence, the oil angle, and the players in Texas, CIA, deMorenshildt, and a cola company' s interest (ostensibly), with Nixon and Viet Nam.
Or so I've read in several books through the years.

Then you've got the side plots to overthrow Castro when the casinos fell through. They used Oswald because he was a local, and had the backstory with Russia built in. They put him out on the street as a "communist sympathizer". The plan was to hope Castro invited him to be a citizen of Cuba in order to get access to assassinate him. The plots were varied. When out of the blue it was discovered that the polio vaccines given to kids were going to cause an epidemic of soft tissue cancers.
This was an enormous problem that would take a lot of cover-ups. But, first things first. They wanted to know if it could be weaponized and how virulent a strain might be obtained. This would be used first on Castro to see if it was viable for political assassinations.

David Ferrie ran the house called the little lab where basically he kept rats fed and removed tumors.
Oswald acted as a courier and bodyguard to the lab doctors. Basically busywork until they needed him to hold up those "Free Play for Cuba Committee" signs.

Meanwhile, the mafia natives were getting restless and leaned on by Bobby. They wanted to go ahead and get Kennedy first. Certain members of the CIA were inclined to agree. You understand, their businesses have often paralleled and been hand and glove. So it was decided that a hit would be made when Kennedy came to Miami.
Somehow this plan didn't gel. The next was set for Dallas.

So the Bay of Pigs assassins, the CIA, the Mafia and the oilmen all got together to make sure it was done nice and public like. This has had a curbing influence of the future "leaders" for the last 50 years.

Oswald may or may not have been killed there. It's hard to say.
Ruby was given the weaponized cancer meant for Castro while in prison.

This is just the basics.

I thought that the realization that the Cold War was the fakery would elicit some response.
The fakery that I see in all this, OP is with the missiles alleged to be in Cuba photos.

It appears this was merely propaganda to sell the Soviets as our sworn enemy. To frighten the public
into spending billions on defense, (offense really), for decades over this pretext.

Imagine a war based on economic differences. A socialist model versus a capitalist model.
Oooh, ooooh who's gonna win that one, the suspense was killing.

Tada, the capitalist model reigns supreme, and is won without a shot, if you don't count the ones that killed
JFK and all the little proxy wars fought instead giving the banks a greater control of the planet in the process.

reply to post by OutonaLimb


The resemblance is uncanny. I've looked at more photos, and they are the same height. Ron Paul finished medical school and worked as an Air Force flight surgeon from '63 to '68.

Oswald's wife had him exhumed due to the belief that a russian spy was buried there that came back to the US posing as Oswald. See the attached link.

www.jfk-info.com...


And the height. Wiki has Ron Paul at 5'11" and Oswald at 5'9". Oswald listed 5'11" on his passport, and the autopsy said 5'9".

I'm going to dig into this more. Not saying I believe anything at the moment.

Originally posted by ibiubu
reply to post by OutonaLimb

 

The resemblance is uncanny. I've looked at more photos, and they are the same height. Ron Paul finished medical school and worked as an Air Force flight surgeon from '63 to '68.

Oswald's wife had him exhumed due to the belief that a russian spy was buried there that came back to the US posing as Oswald. See the attached link.

www.jfk-info.com...


And the height. Wiki has Ron Paul at 5'11" and Oswald at 5'9". Oswald listed 5'11" on his passport, and the autopsy said 5'9".

I'm going to dig into this more. Not saying I believe anything at the moment.

an open mind. how refreshing.

www.dailykos.com....

good questions raised here. are these all the hallmarks of a manufactured persona?

why are there so few pictures online of a younger ron paul.
do they betray something?

Ran across this for what it is worth...

Oswald heading into the hospital.

All you really need to look at to answer this question is the media footage. Look up the various Major's footage on YouTube and ask yourself the following:

1. Of all the lawmen you see in the frame, how many do you see draw a gun when shots are fired?
2. Of all the lawmen in the frame, how many do you suspect are veterans of WW2 or Korea? With that in mind, how many of them do you see hit the deck when shots are fired?
3. When Oswald emerged from the building, he is wearing a dark sweater. Had he been seen wearing a sweater in any prior footage that day? Can you find any plausible source of the sweater within the penal system?
4. Two networks record footage of the garage floor directly on the spot where LHO is shot, both before and after the event. When you inspect the "after" footage, do you see any trace of blood or bile on the floor? If not, ask yourself if it is possible that a man can be shot and then be wrestled to the ground, let alone be gut shot and dropped in cuffs, without leaving even a smudge on the concrete?

I think you'll find the answers pretty obvious, and the conclusion even more so.