Funny this came up because about 2 weeks ago after watching JFK I thought the same thing.

But no to your Ron Paul link.

I also thought this could be a message. Don't talk or lose you life.

I believe he was shot in the lower part of the left side of his chest. The bullet hit a bunch of organs and his aorta.

The bullet was even recovered from what I understand.

So I think he was actually shot and did die from the event.

I agree that there was no reason to keep Oswald alive. That is one thing that doesn't make much sense. Maybe he was a CIA asset and they had other uses for him. Total speculation though. The scene of Oswald being shot is so odd though.
As for Jack Ruby, his patriotism is a question mark. I read rumors he was a CIA bagman. It would make more sense that he was killing a patsy to keep him from talking than just a patriot upset the about the presidential assasination.

Originally posted by Rising Against

Sort of unrelated, but someone mentioned in another thread that Ron Paul has un uncanny resemblance to Lee Harvey Oswald. Makes you wonder...

Forgive me, but.. Seriously? I mean no offence but this is why it's sometimes hard to continue discussing this, my favourite topic, here on ATS.. If I'm being completely honest.

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Agreed. If we can concede that Paul is a shill, and also that the Kennedy assassination (in Texas) was a staged event, then it's not all that big of a stretch to think there could be a connection. They look eerily similar.

I've never read anything that would be even remotely consistent with Lee Harvey Oswald ever becoming a physician, so I wouldn't lend a lot of cred to any links between Paul and Oswald. Just my opinion though.

BTW, my favorite subject as well. So many great things were about to happen and were stopped by the assassination, and it pretty much ended any trust or legitimacy to US government.

The Ron Paul thing was a side note. It really isn't what I was hoping to focus on in this thread. I'm indifferent about Ron Paul, so I couldn't care less if he's "Lee Harvey Oswald" or not.

I mainly would like to talk about the shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald and whether or not it was fakery.

Sometimes in an investigation you have to look at what isn't there along with what is. In the advent of Oswald's death, there was no trial. Had he lived, he would most certainly either be exposed as a lone nut or he would divulge who his co-conspirators were. It was a very convenient death for a deeply-involved conspiracy. His statements under interrogation from the time of his arrest until he was assassinated are pretty much erased from the record. I think there may be about one page from a notepad from one of the officers somewhere, but not much else.

Ruby was a mobster by association (probably kind of a clown, but I never met the guy so maybe that's not fair). After years of denial of La Cosa Nostra by J Edgar Hoover, Bobby Kennedy was exposing organized crime with the full support of his brother the President. It doesn't make sense that Ruby would kill Oswald because of any sympathy he had for JFK. That was the only plausible reason for killing Oswald, unless. . . Ruby's uncanny and elusive statements prior to his death gave one the impression that he couldn't expose a truth under some sort of threat.

So, could the assassination be faked? Maybe. If not, the implication is that Ruby was part of a bigger plan (bigger than Oswald too) and they needed to shut Oswald up. That's the direction I tend toward, but then again that's my personal opinion.

Originally posted by lynxpilot
Sometimes in an investigation you have to look at what isn't there along with what is. In the advent of Oswald's death, there was no trial. Had he lived, he would most certainly either be exposed as a lone nut or he would divulge who his co-conspirators were. It was a very convenient death for a deeply-involved conspiracy. His statements under interrogation from the time of his arrest until he was assassinated are pretty much erased from the record. I think there may be about one page from a notepad from one of the officers somewhere, but not much else.

Ruby was a mobster by association (probably kind of a clown, but I never met the guy so maybe that's not fair). After years of denial of La Cosa Nostra by J Edgar Hoover, Bobby Kennedy was exposing organized crime with the full support of his brother the President. It doesn't make sense that Ruby would kill Oswald because of any sympathy he had for JFK. That was the only plausible reason for killing Oswald, unless. . . Ruby's uncanny and elusive statements prior to his death gave one the impression that he couldn't expose a truth under some sort of threat.

So, could the assassination be faked? Maybe. If not, the implication is that Ruby was part of a bigger plan (bigger than Oswald too) and they needed to shut Oswald up. That's the direction I tend toward, but then again that's my personal opinion.

Lets not forget that it was George de Mohrenschildt that got Oswald his job in Dallas. We also know that almost everything we know about Oswald during this time comes from George de Mohrenschildt, an individual that has major connections with big oil.

I know security was lax in the 60's (Kennedy even had the top off his limo) but any time criminals are transported, there are cops surrounding them. There's security, bulletproof vests, armor. How could a random nightclub owner get that close to Oswald? It looks like it was staged.

Originally posted by broctune
I know security was lax in the 60's (Kennedy even had the top off his limo) but any time criminals are transported, there are cops surrounding them. There's security, bulletproof vests, armor. How could a random nightclub owner get that close to Oswald? It looks like it was staged.

Ruby wasn't some random nightclub ower. He was well known by Dallas PD at the time. He was also seen hanging around the police station after Oswald was arrested impersonating a newspaper reporter. This was only one of the factors that allowed Ruby to get close to Oswald for the shot. If you take a look at the moment right before he shoots Oswald, Ruby could easily be attempting to put a microphone up to Oswald to get a coment on whatever.

As for the Limo:
Secret Service was not happy with the thought of JFK riding around in it. They even tried to get JFK to put a protective dome on the car. So in the end the Limo having no top on it was JFKs idea.

Originally posted by Guyfriday

Originally posted by broctune
I know security was lax in the 60's (Kennedy even had the top off his limo) but any time criminals are transported, there are cops surrounding them. There's security, bulletproof vests, armor. How could a random nightclub owner get that close to Oswald? It looks like it was staged.

Ruby wasn't some random nightclub ower. He was well known by Dallas PD at the time. He was also seen hanging around the police station after Oswald was arrested impersonating a newspaper reporter. This was only one of the factors that allowed Ruby to get close to Oswald for the shot. If you take a look at the moment right before he shoots Oswald, Ruby could easily be attempting to put a microphone up to Oswald to get a coment on whatever.

As for the Limo:
Secret Service was not happy with the thought of JFK riding around in it. They even tried to get JFK to put a protective dome on the car. So in the end the Limo having no top on it was JFKs idea.

I agree about Ruby, He was apparently buddies with all sorts of DPD cops, one of his closest associates being J D Tippitt. I think he let them carouse in his nightclubs to keep favor with them.

As for the top on the limo, it was just plastic and was not meant for bullet protection.