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posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 05:13 AM
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To sew dissent within any group. one need only plant the suggestion that members of the group may be interlopers or agents-provocateur.


Reminds me of that old Twilight zone episode where aliens pit the towns people against each other.

"The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street"



Full episode - Hulu.com




posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 05:20 AM
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Just my opinion, but I suspect you're much more likely to find this type of antics on newspaper web pages and the like.

A lot of news outlets have a comments section with up and down vote functionality at the bottom, and a ready filled comments section with heavily up voted comments (several hundred votes) will scare off anyone with an opposing view point or give the idea that everyone is leaning a certain way.

Also there are several software applications readily available that can quite quickly fill one of these comment threads in an automated way without the requirement for several 'shills' spending a lot of time. A few people running an efficient bot net is 10x more secure than paying several individuals to have certain opinions.

I suspect a large amount of this type of thing is actually related to marketing, social engineering, and politics more than the type of scary CIA style shills we seem to always be discussing. Taking someone and paying them to 'correct' information about an obvious crime seems like a very efficient way to get caught, and as a community we make a lot of our own disinformation without any particular assistance.

Making a bot to get a few hundred up votes and positive comments though when you're in politics or a wannabe celebrity ... I imagine in their mind they justify it by thinking it's what the opposition does, and they're just evening the field.

This type of behavior is epidemic (and obvious at times) on places with review components such as imdb, amazon, and metacritic. Like I say though, I think for the vast vast majority of big conspiracies such plants or tactics would only draw attention.

I also just don't think ATS is a good demographic to target for most of these strategies ... not because we're special or immune to them, but just because we're such a niche group. Why bother the tin foil hat persons when you've got the entire mainstream population at your favorite news sites?



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 05:44 AM
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Do shills/stooges exist on this forum? Yes, I think so. Do I have proof? No, but I've seen so many users in threads that set off alarm bells instantly. They make it so blatantly obvious sometimes.

Here are some of the things I've noticed about these suspicious members. They will always be a very new member to ATS and have no avatar, very few posts, very few stars. Their mini profile beside their posts looks very incomplete. When you check their post history you can see that they joined very recently and have only been posting in threads that are specific to one topic only, such as The Aurora Colorado incident, Sandy Hook incident etc. They seem to have interest in one specific topic, and when they discuss that topic they will do anything to derail the thread(s) like a freight train being driven by a stroke victim.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 05:55 AM
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You'tre avatarist against people who dont have avatars . Unfair.
I want a cool exciting Avatar that makes people stand up and take note , but I dont know how to get one



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 06:02 AM
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Visit this thread and ask some of the members to help you.

BTS : Avatar Creations



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 06:16 AM
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Originally posted by XaphanThey will always be a very new member to ATS and have no avatar, very few posts, very few stars. Their mini profile beside their posts looks very incomplete. When you check their post history you can see that they joined very recently and have only been posting in threads that are specific to one topic only,


I just don't have time for that kinda malarkey
I just like to watch alien/supernatural threads.. post little.. think alot.

oh and what heff said earlier is probably closer to the truth than anything.

I'm pretty safe my posts flag me as a nut, most of the time there's a reason for that as i know the shills are shillin and i want to throw some *theory* around in the crazy space... get em thinking.. sometimes it works. most of the time it's totally ignored in the noise.

Seems there's alot of noise around, sadly i don't swing here much, but that other site is crawling with it.

I gave up trying to understand the why.. but i do believe they exist.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 06:31 AM
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I kinda succeeded on my own following instructions on that page. I picked a basic Pix , but its too wide anyway . At least there is some colour in my life now.
Cheers



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 06:40 AM
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Nine times out of Ten, anyone getting labeled as a "plant", shill, dis-info agent, and any other variation of, is only labeled that way for disagreeing with another poster.


The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I agree.

That, or because they have, or are very much in the process of, losing an argument. The "shill" argument really does seem to be, to me at least, a last resort, an act of desperation and the like. A pathetic one too. It's a real pet peeve of mine and It's also a personal attack, one used to wholly discredit someone else, and it won't be allowed to happen here, and if I see it I know I'll call on it too.

I mean really, I do wish people would stop with it because honestly, it is just silly. Whether you believe they are here or not (I do not), there's no point in attempting to call it out other than to feed your own ego anyway. For arguments sake - If a shill is here, ignore them, move on and carry on trying to find your own personal truth. Don't give them the light of day. There, simple. Then again maybe I'm over simplifying it, but I'm yet to be provided with solid, or even any kind of, proof for their presence here. Speaking as a mod and member.

It is what it is..

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 06:40 AM
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Nicely done.

You need to re-size your picture (smaller)

then re-upload it.

EDIT:

Sorry for being off topic

I re-sized the pic for you



Copy and paste this code below into the "Your avatar" box on your "Tools" page. Then remove the space between the h and the ttp. Click submit and you should be good to go.

h ttp://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/mh512374f1.jpg
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posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 06:57 AM
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Thats a bit taxing to do . it was a real effort just to get some colour up and now i went and clicked on background profile pix
So have we worked together as an example of thread derailing trolls ? So I used your smaller version and fixed the background . So how do you like that work ? Thanks for the help

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posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 07:04 AM
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Originally posted by Anusuia
reply to post by MagicWand67
 
Thats a bit taxing to do . it was a real effort just to get some colour up and now i went and clicked on background profile pix
So have we worked together as an example of thread derailing trolls ?



Not to worry, I'm trying to get my background and avatar in too.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 07:06 AM
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So have we worked together as an example of thread derailing trolls ?


Yes, I'd say we are setting a good example of how a "plant" might attempt to derail a thread.

You can private message me U2U if you want some more help with your avatar.

I got the dimensions wrong when I re-sized the pic. It should be 170 pix wide. I made it 240 pix
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posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 07:07 AM
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Just follow the instructions that our friend posted and Im sure he will help you too . If I managed , anyone can



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 07:10 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
Does it matter?

Does it matter if a poster is just a pro-NWO type sitting at home vs a paid disinfo specialist sitting in a government office?

Either way, their debate tactics will run similar to each other and any anti-NWO types will have to argue the same points.



Just keepin' it real, folks.


Beezer just admitted he was a "paid shill" ahhhhh run away .

I see this way too much, people are passionate about one thing or another, and all of a sudden the labels come out "You're a Shill" or "You're a Paid Disinfo Artist" and while they very well may exist, you aren't going to be able to pick them out just because they are passionate about one topic or disagree with an Op vibrantly...



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 07:10 AM
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thanks



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 07:21 AM
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Originally posted by guanyu
It's not about being noticed, it's about derailing conversation about the OP.


This is another claim about alleged "shills" that makes no sense to me.

If the point is to silence a point of view the logical thing to do is to NOT post and let the thread slide off the front page and into obscurity. Most of the time those with opposing points of view wind up bumping and extending participation in a thread.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 07:32 AM
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if the government is actually paying someone to be a shill or disinfo agent, wouldn't you think it would be for sites that are alittle more... uhmm...."extreme" ?...even though there are some genuine scary nuts on this site, i have been to some others that make this site look like a mundane scholarly debate group. there are sites out there where all they talk about is a violent overthrow of the US government, or out and out killing people.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by Evil_Santa[/i

I ask this because i'm often called a shill, disinfo agent, mindless drone, etc - on here and by others who are heavy into conspiracy theories. The irony is that with my past (mental illness) there is no chance of me getting a in the government with any form of secrecy, so to think that I am hired for the purpose of being a secret agent to push a government agenda is pretty absurd.

What I have noticed from a hard-line conspiracy theory group, is that ANYONE who hold different views from that group is automatically called any of the above names. It's sad to see happen, because that group is trying to define their own reality, claiming some kind of moral - and intellectual - superiority, where they demand recognition for their views. And the entire time they're doing that, they are dismissing anyone who has opposing view's experiences, opinions and thoughts on life.


i totally agree with evil santa here i believe conspiracies happen and i believe false flags happen but i love to take a chunk of reality ground with me when i go exploring new solar systems of conspiracies. call it a good luck charm
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posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 07:55 AM
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I think it would show up where it's most effective to meet the end goal. We come to sites like this, I think, to get some sort of confirmation about our theories and come to some sort of resolution we can claim as a truth (true or not in reality). No doubt, NSA/CIA/DHS would target the fringe sites you mention in order to round people up, which has been done before, but some websites would be effective venues to derail a hot-button issue that the government doesn't want to be a thorn in their side.

If you've ever looked closely at JFK assassination research, you can see how certain areas seem to be no-go areas and anything that's revealed in those areas is quickly plagued with disinformation and sidetracking. The technology is different these days, but the end goal remains the same. Look at how McAdams and Bugliosi go after JFK conspiracy theorists. McAdams uses a website and shows up in discussions on other websites. Bugliosi used a book. The information they presented was just as easy to debunk as that of the 'conspiracy theorists'. It makes me wonder if they are paid to distract, distort, and keep any investigation from touching some sensitive areas where the CIA doesn't want them to go.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 08:50 AM
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If you've ever looked closely at JFK assassination research, you can see how certain areas seem to be no-go areas and anything that's revealed in those areas is quickly plagued with disinformation and sidetracking. The technology is different these days, but the end goal remains the same. Look at how McAdams and Bugliosi go after JFK conspiracy theorists. McAdams uses a website and shows up in discussions on other websites. Bugliosi used a book. The information they presented was just as easy to debunk as that of the 'conspiracy theorists'. It makes me wonder if they are paid to distract, distort, and keep any investigation from touching some sensitive areas where the CIA doesn't want them to go.


I disagree with a fair bit of what McAdams and Bugliosi say, and trust me when I say that I am very familiar with those guys, but I also disagree with what you say about them too. See, I'm very passionate about the JFK case, as are a lot of other conspiracy theorists. We want the truth and we want all the facts to be revealed about the case not tomorrow, but today. But at the same time I genuinely believe that those guys are in the exact same boat, they just happen to be on the opposite end of it to me. Do you see what I mean here? It doesn't make myself, or them, part of some kind of disinformation campaign or anything like that, it's just that we're rather passionate about our chosen topics and we think we're right etc.

The exact same thing applies to all other topics discussed here on ATS, and elsewhere too.

Also, I have to ask.. you say certain ares of the JFK case are no-go areas, care to enlighten us on that? I've been researching this thing for years now, the only "no-go" areas I've seen are the wild, wacky, out there, stupid, obviously impossible theories. Nothing that actually holds some water is largely ignored or seen as "no-go". Period.
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