"Plants" in internet forums

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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:13 PM
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Would powerful establishments bother to install "plants" or moles into forums (such as this one) to try to subvert any ideology that is contradictory to the NWO status quo?

I think so.

There are members on this and other forums, forums which do no screening of their membership, who maintain pro-NWO arguments that can't be explained by law or logic. Most appear to be fairly well trained in diversionary debate techniques (which in and of themselves aren't insurmountable), but ultimately their arguments support the continued growth of an oppressive world government. Why would anybody bother?

Disinformation has been a very popular technique for quite some time now. Not that it was never used before 1957, but it was never really mastered until 1957 and some pretty serious events have transpired and allowed irresponsible government officials to literally get away with murder since then.

If we (the US and a lot of the rest of the world) can be deceived into participating in wars that are literally designed (let's call them 'designer wars') and events that boggle the mind in terms of humanity, and some people still think these events happened because of petty disagreements or religious differences, then we haven't come to the realization that we need to in order to become a truly civilized society.

Can you spot the moles? I've outed a few so far.




posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:21 PM
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I'm curious what some of these viewpoints are that defy logic, can you please give some examples OP.

I ask this because i'm often called a shill, disinfo agent, mindless drone, etc - on here and by others who are heavy into conspiracy theories. The irony is that with my past (mental illness) there is no chance of me getting a in the government with any form of secrecy, so to think that I am hired for the purpose of being a secret agent to push a government agenda is pretty absurd.

What I have noticed from a hard-line conspiracy theory group, is that ANYONE who hold different views from that group is automatically called any of the above names. It's sad to see happen, because that group is trying to define their own reality, claiming some kind of moral - and intellectual - superiority, where they demand recognition for their views. And the entire time they're doing that, they are dismissing anyone who has opposing view's experiences, opinions and thoughts on life.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:24 PM
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I am not a mole, but I HAVE a mole. Do you want to try to guess where it is?

Look, if there are "moles" trolling around ATS (1) They aren't going to admit it and (2) It's a violation of T&Cs to single out anyone whom you suspect of being one. That is why there isn't a pre-existing thread containing a mile long list of suspected "moles"- most of which wouldn't be guilty of anything other than disagreeing with someone in a heated debate. It's pointless.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:27 PM
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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:29 PM
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What I've seen when lurking around some of the forums is that somebody proposes a wild theory, and when someone more knowledgable shoots it dowm with logic they're branded a shill or dis-info agent for not agreeing with the OP!

It seems to me that a lot of 'new' members just want people to agree with them, not to discuss the theory to see if it holds water or not.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:31 PM
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I take it as a given. That's why everyone needs to think things through before coming to their own "truth".



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:32 PM
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Im not sure why "they" would waste there time really, most discussions on here end up as petty arguments about nothing.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by lynxpilot


Can you spot the moles? I've outed a few so far.


You've been a member for a week and you've outed 'moles'? Forgive me, but mister ego is talking I think.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:37 PM
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Not talking about disagreement with opinion so much as the objective of the argument. It becomes apparent after a while. Technique is a cue as well. There's some things that a select few people have mastered that the average internet-arguer hasn't. When the arguments are very procedural (and often inane) but render an appearance of legitimacy, once one looks deeper into it, the evil truth sometimes comes out.

Then there's the cheating (looking at IP's, proxy's, and such) to see where the chatter is coming from, but that's another subject.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by jayman0111

Originally posted by lynxpilot


Can you spot the moles? I've outed a few so far.


You've been a member for a week and you've outed 'moles'? Forgive me, but mister ego is talking I think.


You're right. I'll stop talking and just listen.

Thanks.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:40 PM
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That the NWO exists defies logic. That if they did exist that they would waste time on a forum filled with aliens, bigfoot, demons, time travel and the end of the world defies even more logic.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:43 PM
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Nine times out of Ten, anyone getting labeled as a "plant", shill, dis-info agent, and any other variation of, is only labeled that way for disagreeing with another poster. I find it more likely that the people who throw around these labels are the actual "plants", if any are actually here.

It seems like a tool used to encourage others to just ignore arguments that don't mesh with theirs. And by using that tactic, it is what derails the thread by ignoring the others' argument and focusing on the person who posted it instead, which serves no purpose.
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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:43 PM
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I think that last post by lynxpilot was an attempt at sarcasm. My post was, but it's late (almost 3am here) and I'm tired. Maybe I wasn't clear and you got the wrong idea.
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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:43 PM
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Seeing this thread reminded me of the "Better This World" documentary I saw recently. There's no doubt that scum like Brandon Darby disinform all over the internet on certain agencies' behalves.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:45 PM
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There's some things that a select few people have mastered that the average internet-arguer hasn't.

You mean something like critical thought?
You mean something like actually researching a claim?
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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:46 PM
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I believe a person could be a member here for a week and already spot a shill or two. As long as they have had enough experience in similar forums.

They absolutely exist and their methods are fairly transparent. They follow a practice called "applied trolling" and it is a very efficient method of derailing useful conversation.

They are all over ATS and they utterly destroyed the Conspiracy Central forum a few years ago.

To study them, read comment threads of mainstream sources such as NBC or ABC, FOX isn't as good because there are just a large number of serious FOX sycophants. To really drag them out, post a conspiratorial comment yourself and make a shill-friend today!

They'll deny and whine and reply, "prove it" "give me some examples" "reminds me of something I heard about X dumbass demographic" anything to derail conversation about the topic at hand, usually by drawing an individual into an off topic fight, and most shills can be spotted by their dogged fascination with and hounding of particular individuals while ignoring the broader conversation at hand.

They really are a pack of wolves. I know they're around, I know the software they use, I know the language they employ. I've been around long enough to know what's what.
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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:47 PM
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I believe a person could be a member here for a week and already spot a troll or two.

The topic doesn't seem to be trolling.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:48 PM
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Well true not all trolls are shills, but all shills are trolls. A mistake in terminology. Post edited.
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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by guanyu
I believe a person could be a member here for a week and already spot a troll or two. As long as they have had enough experience in similar forums.

They absolutely exist and their methods are fairly transparent. They follow a practice called "applied trolling" and it is a very efficient method of derailing useful conversation.

They are all over ATS and they utterly destroyed the Conspiracy Central forum a few years ago.

To study them, read comment threads of mainstream sources such as NBC or ABC, FOX isn't as good because there are just a large number of serious FOX sycophants. To really drag them out, post a conspiratorial comment yourself and make a shill-friend today!

They'll deny and whine and reply, "prove it" "give me some examples" "reminds me of something I heard about X dumbass demographic" anything to derail conversation about the topic at hand, usually by drawing an individual into an off topic fight, and most shills can be spotted by their dogged fascination with and hounding of particular individuals while ignoring the broader conversation at hand.

They really are a pack of wolves. I know their around, I know the software they use, I know the language they employ. I've been around long enough to know what's what.


I agree there are 'professional trolls' if you want to call them that who try to derail threads all the time, but I've also seen OPs stick to their theories when quite a lot of other people tell them it just doesn't wash and they call the 'debunkers' shills and government agents. People saying nobody died in SH is an example.
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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:49 PM
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Being a troll would be counterproductive if one were a shill.
People tend to ignore trolls.
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