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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:51 PM
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It's not about being noticed, it's about derailing conversation about the OP.




posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:51 PM
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I believe your refering to a practice called MIJI, a discipline for which sites like ATS and Facebook and such are tailor made. Living in the information age, you have to make the leap of logic, and that is, the most poweful form of warfare avialble to modern man, is information warfare. No side can win without it, but, just like the cold war era, both 'sides' (G vs E) if you will, are pretty much evenly matched. Right now, all over the country, there are folks sitting down to terminals that are attached to systems that monitor everything, just like the words I'm typing now, and if I include words like 'echelon' and 'predator' its gonna pop up on somebodies screen, and maybe, some person will get a little chuckle out of it! Keep up the good work folks, I appreciate it, I really do. Technology isn't evil, but how we use it surely can be. Fritz Lang would be freaking out right now!
Yep, they're 'here' but so are we, and we know that they know that we know ............ and we're off to the races ! Again !



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:53 PM
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That's not what the OP says.
He's talking about disinfo. Disinfo doesn't work if no one listens.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:55 PM
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His (or her) post was about plants. A plant could exist to observe, to manipulate, or just disrupt. I posted about plants who exist in forums to troll and disrupt conversation because those are the plants I know exist.

Whether you are meaning to or not, you are doing a great job illustrating an example of what I was talking about.

Single person oriented, nit-picky, tangential bickering unrelated to the original OP. I'll cease replying now because that's feeding the beast, derailing the thread.

To be frank, disagreeing with me is really not discussing the OP, is it?
edit on 18-2-2013 by guanyu because: gender neutrality y'all
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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:58 PM
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To be frank, disagreeing with me is really not discussing the OP, is it?

The irony.
But establishing what the OP is talking about is.
Hey OP. Talking about trolls? Or just people who disagree with you?
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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 08:59 PM
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Here you go again Phage. Why do posters pick on you all the time? I've seen you make good points in other forums but you get jumped on for something taken out of context.

Anyway, I agree with the OP that there could well be dis-info agents on sites like this, but they're the ones making-up the wacky theories - not the ones who shoot them down.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
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To be frank, disagreeing with me is really not discussing the OP, is it?

The irony.
But establishing what the OP is talking about is.
Hey OP. Talking about trolls? Or just people who disagree with you?
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Neither. I'm talking about employees whose job is to monitor mainstream media and sway opinion to meet an agenda. Possibly with the added purposes of targeting supposed 'insurgents' or whatever you might call them. And I'll add that I use the term "NWO" loosely, because there are not better characterizations at this point.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 09:06 PM
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Ok, that makes it clearer. I agree with you lynxpilot, there are people like that. All governments have them. Some are PR men, but others, well, we know what their job is. spin, spin, spin. It all goes tits-up for the beef industry, but hey, it wasn't us not doing proper checks, it was the criminals trying to make a fast buck.
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I'm going to bed. My sentences aren't making any sense, even to me.
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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 09:06 PM
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That's more what i figured you meant.

Did you know that DARPA has contracted the development of automatic systems to do exactly what you are talking about? Except the idea is that disinfo is what is being detected and countered.
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 10:04 PM
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What gets people to sellout like that?

money power immunity brownie points ? What?



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
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What gets people to sellout like that?

money power immunity brownie points ? What?


A job.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 10:16 PM
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If disinformation agents exist, ATS is EXACTLY where you will find them. I think the OP has made a great post here on that.

Also, another thing to watch for would be a conspiracy website censoring itself, disallowing certain reasonable topics to be debated - that would imply the site mods, those who run the site and/or the site itself being nothing more than a disinformation job in itself. Should any site ever show those signs, I would suggest no longer wasting time there.

It's important to always watch out for these things on the internet.
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posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 10:19 PM
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This is just typical close minded stuff. "you don't agree with me so you are one of them", its text book ignorance.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by indigothefish
Should any site ever show those signs, I would suggest no longer wasting time there.

It's important to always watch out for these things on the internet.
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Lol, I hate to say it, but ATS is probably the least free and most likely to be agent run forum in the conspiracy biz, besides perhaps GLP. The only reason I bothered to join is I've resigned myself to these facts and choose to self-censor.

Hell they closed the thread on that 3,000 year old Chinese cave painting because, I don't know, there was too much penis talk? Closing the thread was the least mature thing that happened regarding that thread. Just bear in mind even things like the star and flag system is beneficial to the operators. Dummy accounts are all that's needed to build a false sense of consensus. Be aware.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 10:29 PM
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To me, it seems there are certain subjects that get pounced on, almost immediately, by disinfo or opinion swaying "plants". For instance, big pharma threads, any anti-obama administration threads - if I read a rather wacky-sounding thread about the gov't - and immediately there are 2 or 3 posts targeting the OP, and not the message - or they immediately start using the age-old race card = I start doing my own research, because, obviously, they've hit a nerve - and possibly - the truth.

People who live their lives by wikipedia - also make me wonder if they're gov't disino posters.



posted on Feb, 18 2013 @ 10:40 PM
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Does it matter?

Does it matter if a poster is just a pro-NWO type sitting at home vs a paid disinfo specialist sitting in a government office?

Either way, their debate tactics will run similar to each other and any anti-NWO types will have to argue the same points.



Just keepin' it real, folks.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 03:37 AM
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Originally posted by homeslice
Im not sure why "they" would waste there time really, most discussions on here end up as petty arguments about nothing.


And I think that is exactly the point - to derail and fragment any discussion into argument and doubt.

I know for a fact (and have proof) that there are people here for different purposes from the rest of us. I'm not going to name names as it is of course against T&C and these people have subsequently been banned but they made it perfectly clear to me that 'they are all over ATS and busy posting'.



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 03:56 AM
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hi, man, we are all brainwashed so we are all "agents",,
we do exactly what we are supposed to do....



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 04:31 AM
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Here is the evidence you're looking for OP


Top Obama czar: Infiltrate all 'conspiracy theorists'



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Sunstein said government agents "might enter chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual premises, causal logic or implications for political action."


Conspiracy Theories Cass R. Sunstein * Adrian Vermeule PDF



posted on Feb, 19 2013 @ 04:52 AM
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Another very relevant thing to consider. To sew dissent within any group. one need only plant the suggestion that members of the group may be interlopers or agents-provocateur. Once that seed is firmly implanted within the group, as a whole, a cascade effect then occurs where dissenting opinions are no longer truly looked at upon their own merits, instead they are dismissed offhandedly with the thought "Yup, that there is one of them disinfo types.."

This also plays into each individuals natural ego, which predisposes all of us to believe that what we think, or perceive, has to be correct ( even when it is not ). Therefore anyone who does not share our perspective is either insane or driven by agenda. Throw the disinfo label into the mix and that is all we require to lock ourselves into our own beliefs - all with a seemingly very valid reason for being obtuse and stubborn. After all - it's no longer a matter of who is accurate vs inaccurate. Now it's the truth fighting against vicious and evil lies.

What I am personally sure of. That we are watched. Not just ATS. Not just conspiracy sites or alternative news boards. All digital communications are. This much, I believe, is supported by some pretty heavy evidence. I am also personally pretty positive that there are agent provocateurs online. Just a cursory look at the election threads, from a few months back, can pretty much serve to show that there were people who signed up, pursued an agenda ( paid to, ordered to, or not ) and then vanished with the sunset on election night.

What I am never sure of is the intent these posters might have.

I'll use one hot button issue to illustrate. Sandy Hook. There is a lot of supposition, it seems, that anyone who thinks Sandy Hook is not a false flag - must be a disinformation agent. If I had a dollar for every post I have seen to that effect? Well it'd be enough to buy that high end gaming system I drool while dreaming of. But what if the agenda driven, paid or ordered posters are not here to cover up a false flag event... what if they are here to procreate a lie? To stir the pot of dissent? To anger the masses into reacting in a hyperbolic and irrational manner? All as a means to justify some draconian law that is already drafted and waiting for an excuse to be introduced?

We know the the Feds who infiltrated Occupy did not show up trying to convince the Occupy members that they were wrong or overreacting. They infiltrated and then tried to spur the mob into behaving in an illegal and dangerous manner so that the Government would have cause to stop the demonstrations.

With espionage it's never black and white. One always has to explore all potentials.





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