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Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
reply to post by adjensen
The dictionary (a higher source of authority than your opinion) would suggest I was spot on correct..
Of course, lets not nitpick about the NT references I just gave you making it clear as day it is faith and obedience
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. (Colossians 2:16 NIV)
Much to learn you still have my young padawan. Cling not to your conclusions which may be in error. Consider other points of view you will in time. (said like Yoda).
This is what a life without Jesus looks like.
I don't know where Jesus got his power, if in fact he existed at all
We are the puppets in the stories he writes. And if we don't play our roles as he wills it, then we are condemned. Because that makes us broken puppets. And his palace has no room for broken puppets. He has already said this.
There could be more to it when you factor in love's reason whereby love to be love must be free.
Here, pick this one apart: Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. (Colossians 2:16 NIV)
there are plenty of examples in the New Testament and early church fathers that the seventh day Sabbath was intentionally rejected in favour of Sunday worship)
I'm sure that you've heard that before and can show that it's wrong, citing the passage when Christ restates it as a Commandment.
ah..sigh.
Unless God is love itself and the reason for the seasons, and your own inclusion. To project hate is to hate one's self and all judgement is a judgement about one's self in the final analysis. One God, one condition, one spirit, one love.
ah..sigh.
Unless God is love itself and the reason for the seasons, and your own inclusion. To project hate is to hate one's self and all judgement is a judgement about one's self in the final analysis. One God, one condition, one spirit, one love.
Earlier today I ran across something that I'd never heard before, and I don't have time right now to go research (I have to go to a church finance meeting, lol) -- according to the source, nine of the Ten Commandments are restated in the New Testament (maybe by Jesus, specifically, it didn't say) and the only one that isn't in the Sabbath one. I'm sure that you've heard that before and can show that it's wrong, citing the passage when Christ restates it as a Commandment.
Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
reply to post by adjensen
Here, pick this one apart: Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. (Colossians 2:16 NIV)
Already picked apart with my answer to Determind
If you don't like that then there is this analysis on the passage. (you might want to have a better look at that site before making anymore arguments. You might notice 18 arguments that you could use on this issue...they are all answered for)
I'm sure that you've heard that before and can show that it's wrong, citing the passage when Christ restates it as a Commandment.
Nah, I haven't heard that one before...it might be right. If it is the case I think it is just to add spice to the mix, just so Luci has a slight chance to pull off a deception. The argument is mostly irrelevant as it is covered in the aspects of the commandment to "love the Lord with all your heart",
Jesus Left us an example to follow and he changes not!
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went in to the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. Luke 4:16
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. (Gal. 3:11-12)
Ezekiel 20:12
Moreover also I gave [5414] them my sabbaths, [7676] to be a sign [0226] between me and them, that they might know [3045] that I [am] the LORD [3068] that sanctify [6942] them.
Ezekiel 20:20
And hallow [6942] my sabbaths; [7676] and they shall be a sign [0226] between me and you, that ye may know [3045] that I [am] the LORD [3068] your God. [0430]
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SIGN: Hebrew: 'owth', meaning - sign, token, ensign, mark, a distinguishing mark, signal, banner, remembrance
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31 "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
—Jeremiah 31:31–34
Exodus 31:17 It is a sign [Hebrew - 'Owth'] between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed
Revelation 14:7 ... Worship the one who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water
Exodus 20:11 'For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it
"Is not yet too late for Protestants to redeem themselves. Will they do it?... will they indeed take the written word only, the Scripture alone, as their sole authority and their sole standard? Or will they still hold the indefensible, self contradictory, and suicidal doctrine and practice of following the authority of the Catholic church and wear the SIGN of her authority? Will they keep the Sabbath of the Lord, the seventh day, according to Scripture? Or will they keep the Sunday according to the tradition of the Catholic church
Rome's Challenge
The Catholic church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday
- James Cardinal Gibbons in the Catholic Mirror, September 23, 1983
“Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. ‘The day of the Lord’ was chosen, not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the (Catholic) Church’s sense of its own power...People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.” — St. Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.
The Adventists are the only body of Christians with the Bible as their teacher, who could find no warrant in its pages for the change of day from the seventh to the first. Hence their appellation," Seventh-day Adventists. "They're cardinal principle consists in setting apart Saturday for the exclusive worship of God, in conformity with the positive command of God Himself, repeatedly reiterated in the sacred books of the Old and New testaments, literally kept by the children of Israel for thousands of years to this day, and endorsed by the teaching and practice of the Son of God while on earth.
Rome's Challenge
“Most Christians assume that Sunday is the biblically approved day of worship. The Catholic Church protests that it transferred Christian worship from the biblical Sabbath (Saturday) to Sunday, and that to try to argue that the change was made in the Bible is both dishonest and a denial of Catholic authority. If Protestantism wants to base its teachings only on the Bible, it should worship on Saturday.” Rome's Challenge
“Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. ‘The day of the Lord’ was chosen, not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the (Catholic) Church’s sense of its own power...People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.” — St. Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.
Just so you know, the verses that you quoted from Jeremiah 31 and Exodus 31 were all relating to the New Covenant being the time of the Millennium, it has nothing to do with the Sabbath being a Saturday.
Exodus 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
The "day of rest" for the Jews will be the Millennial period where Jesus himself will reign from Jerusalem for 1,000 years. That is the sign. That is the oath. That is the promise. It has nothing to do with a day of the week.
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Revelation 21:1,2 and 10 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband....[10]He showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven.
Revelation 22:1, 5...And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb....[5]And there shall be no night there; and they need no lamp, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God gives them light: and they shall reign forever and ever.
What we know is that during the Millennial period that everything everyone needs to know will be written on their heart (just like the verses say) so that they don't have to worry about what's written. Everything they/we practice before that time will be forgiven (just like the verses say)
Deuteronomy 6: 4-8 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes[foreheads, NIV 1984 edition].
Deuteronomy 11:8,18 Therefore you shall keep every commandment that I have commanded you today...18 Therefore you shall lay up these words of mine in your heart and in your soul, and bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes [foreheads, NIV 1984 edition]
Exodus 13: 9 (and verse16) And it shall be for a sign unto you upon your hand, and for a memorial before your eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in your mouth: for with a strong hand has the LORD brought you out of Egypt.
Practicing or not practicing the Sabbath is not a requirement for salvation
nor is it a mark.
That's not to say that the Jews won't be practicing the Sabbath during the Millennium
But like I said, there's more to the meaning than one specific day of the week.
Once again, salvation is only relevant to believing who Jesus said he was and what he came here to do. The rest will be forgiven.
Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,
James 4:17 Whoever knows the good and does not do it, to him it is sin.
Matthew 25:11,12 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
1 John 2:3 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.
Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Philippians 4:13 For I can do everything through Christ, who gives me strength.
He that saith, I know him, and keepth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4