posted on Feb, 17 2013 @ 05:40 AM
I found some more interesting stuff I had copied to be included in the thread and it seems like a shame to just delete them so I will include them
Hope, according to the Oxford English dictionary, is defined as:
• noun: 1 a feeling of expectation and desire for something to happen. 2 a person or thing that gives cause for hope.
• verb: 1 expect and want something to happen. 2 intend if possible to do something.
It derives from Old English hopian, which means to wish or look forward to something; hopian in turn derives from hoffen in Low German. It may be
related to hop, which is Old English for leaping forward, in the sense of leaping foward in expectation.
Faith, according to the Oxford English dictionary, is defined as:
1complete trust or confidence in someone or something:
this restores one’s faith in politicians
2strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof:
Elpis, = hope
In Greek mythology, Elpis (Ancient Greek: ἐλπίς) was the personification and spirit of hope (hope was usually seen as an extension to
suffering by the Greek, not as a god), perhaps a child of Nyx and mother of Pheme, the goddess of fame, renown and rumor. She was depicted as a young
woman, usually carrying flowers or cornucopia in her hands. In Hesiod's Works and Days, Elpis was the last item in Pandora's box (or jar). Based on
Hesiod's description, the debate is still alive to determine if Elpis was only hope, or more generally expectation.
In the Greek New Testament, the word “faith” is mostly “pistis” and the words “believe” or “believed” are mostly “pisteuo”.
Vine states: “The main elements in faith in its relation to the invisible God, as distinct from faith in man, are especially brought out in the use
of this noun (‘pistis’) and the corresponding verb, ‘pisteuo’; they are (1) a firm conviction, producing a full acknowledgement of God’s
revelation or truth e.g, 2 Thessalonians 2:11,12. (2) a personal surrender to Him, John 1:12; (3) a conduct inspired by such surrender, 2 Corinthians
5:7. Prominence is given to one or other of these elements according to the context”.
Again faith is closer to trust or confidence, and hope is closer waiting or extended time....in suffering.
English word "faith", ultimately from Latin fidere "to trust".........so faith is more akin to trust.
English word "hope" of unknown origin....
Old English hopian "wish, expect, look forward (to something)," of unknown origin, a general North Sea
Germanic word (cf. Old Frisian hopia, Middle Low German, Middle Dutch, Dutch hopen; Middle High German hoffen "to hope," borrowed from Low
so hope is more akin to wait or expect something.
Although very existentialist in its characterizations, Waiting for Godot is primarily about hope. The play revolves around Vladimir and Estragon
and their pitiful wait for hope to arrive. At various times during the play, hope is constructed as a form of salvation, in the personages of Pozzo
and Lucky, or even as death. The subject of the play quickly becomes an example of how to pass the time in a situation which offers no hope. Thus the
theme of the play is set by the beginning:
Estragon: Nothing to be done.
Vladimir: I'm beginning to come round to that opinion.
Although the phrase is used in connection to Estragon's boots here, it is also later used by Vladimir with respect to his hat. Essentially it
describes the hopelessness of their lives.
When I read it I saw Vladimir and Estragon being together and waiting for some one, really anyone, but ultimately because they were waiting for death
but could not face it alone. If one died the last would die alone. They could not kill themseleves as that would be a surrender, somehting they refuse
the entire time, and they could not kill eachother as that would leave one to remain alone. To die alone is to truly die. To have no witness to your
life is to have not existed. The true fear of mortality. Inexistence......but here they say they are waiting for hope..or are being tormented by
hope....I can see that, but I like my thought about it better. lol You must surrender to your mortality to taste the immortal.......lose hope. You
must not worry about the next life, but live your life as you see fit, making it a worthy life regardless of the reward of eternal good promised. Dont
wait for heaven. Dont hope for it. Have faith in it being already part of you. Paradise eternal in the eternal you. Dont HOPE you will be in "heaven".
BE in heaven, faithfully. Accept your mortality and the insignificance of it. Surrender.
and some kick ass quotes that were the main reason I wanted to include these notes....
Faith is reason grown courageous.
Faith... must be enforced by reason.... When faith becomes blind it dies.
Faith is the daring of the soul to go farther than it can see
William Newton Clarke
Faith in oneself is the best and safest course.
Scepticism is the beginning of Faith.
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