Originally posted by GAOTU789
reply to post by burdman30ott6

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It isn't the guy at the burger joint that's making minimum wage but the guy who is a part of Local 123 Bag Changers and Broom Pushers of North America that is killing the economy. And the if you work here, you are part of the union crap. The guy changing garbage bags for 25/30$ an hour or the guy turning the last bolt on a car for 45/50 bucks, that's were the ire should be.

They had their place at one time, they even have a place in some sectors today but the bloated unions are a bigger drain on the economy then Bob down at the corner store making minimum wage is.

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Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by camaro68ss

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I think you are looking the wrong way around. We need to introduce a maximum wage instead of revoking the minimum wage. We should get the trillions back the bankers have put in offshore banks accounts too.

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by camaro68ss

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First let's get rid of Men. They've become obsolete, we can fight, we can just use the thousands of frozen sperm to keep perpetuating the species (besides there would be no overpopulation either this way).

^^^THAT makes just as much sense as your OP, just as ridiculous and babaric. Just saying.

edit on 6-2-2013 by ldyserenity because: spelling

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Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by leemachino
reply to post by camaro68ss

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Those union "thugs" are the reaso for 40 hour work weeks, sick time so you dont get fired for the flu, vacation, workplace safety and company accountability if you get hurt on the job, workmans comp and the MIDDLE CLASS that once made this country the greatest place.

Speaking of MSM, your ideas pretty much mirror Fox News views. You also said in a corrupt free world. Corruption runs rampid from the companies down to the unions, even on the local level. There has tp be some safeguards in place or else we would be working 16-20 hours a day for pennies and commiting suicide on the job like those in China. China is the model, right?

I live in Michigan where Right to Work just passed. The Governor slipped it through a lame duck holiday session claiming it was about bringing jobs to Michigan. He even cited Indiana as the model. I have been to Indiana, I will pass. That state is like the armpit of the country. The companies he spoke of that moved jobs to Indiana already had the contracts in place before Right to Work. Oh yeah and about a week ago the Gov admitted it wasnt about jobs.

I worked for a union company for 6 years. I quit to take a job with a non union job. I am speaking from both sides. They are a necessary evil. They do protect a few bad apples but more importantly they protect good workerswho may need that protection for a reason such as an illness or sick family member.

Basically in a perfect world free markets would be better. The world is not perfect, its corrupt and I would take minimum wage laws over a free market Walmart economy.

Sorry buddy, Henry Ford established the 40 hour work week. Not your union buddy's, the union modeled there work ethics from Ford. All free markets. Sounds like you watch to much CNN. I don't watch tv so no fox news, sounds like you watch them alot to know if it's the same view so I'll take your word for it.

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Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by camaro68ss

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First let's get rid of Men. They've become obsolete, we can fight, we can just use the thousands of frozen sperm to keep perpetuating the species (besides there would be no overpopulation either this way).

^^^THAT makes just as much sense as your OP, just as ridiculous and babaric. Just saying.

edit on 6-2-2013 by ldyserenity because: spelling

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Its only ridiculous and babaric because you dont understand it. dropping the minimum wage would create deflation dropping the prices of all goods and service. Yes wages would go down but the cost of goods goes down with it. Both will drop equally and relatively, in time wages will rise and the cost of goods will stay low because of the increse in productivity, raising the standard living of all.

The idea of no minimum wage is scary at first and would be horrible if there was monopolies in individual sectors of the economy. (there could be an argument that we has such monopolies now) With monopolies, there’s no competition, with no competition, wages get fixed and prices rise. Hummmm sounds like todays world

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Originally posted by leemachino

Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by leemachino
reply to post by camaro68ss

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Those union "thugs" are the reaso for 40 hour work weeks, sick time so you dont get fired for the flu, vacation, workplace safety and company accountability if you get hurt on the job, workmans comp and the MIDDLE CLASS that once made this country the greatest place.

Speaking of MSM, your ideas pretty much mirror Fox News views. You also said in a corrupt free world. Corruption runs rampid from the companies down to the unions, even on the local level. There has tp be some safeguards in place or else we would be working 16-20 hours a day for pennies and commiting suicide on the job like those in China. China is the model, right?

I live in Michigan where Right to Work just passed. The Governor slipped it through a lame duck holiday session claiming it was about bringing jobs to Michigan. He even cited Indiana as the model. I have been to Indiana, I will pass. That state is like the armpit of the country. The companies he spoke of that moved jobs to Indiana already had the contracts in place before Right to Work. Oh yeah and about a week ago the Gov admitted it wasnt about jobs.

I worked for a union company for 6 years. I quit to take a job with a non union job. I am speaking from both sides. They are a necessary evil. They do protect a few bad apples but more importantly they protect good workerswho may need that protection for a reason such as an illness or sick family member.

Basically in a perfect world free markets would be better. The world is not perfect, its corrupt and I would take minimum wage laws over a free market Walmart economy.

Sorry buddy, Henry Ford established the 40 hour work week. Not your union buddy's, the union modeled there work ethics from Ford. All free markets. Sounds like you watch to much CNN. I don't watch tv so no fox news, sounds like you watch them alot to know if it's the same view so I'll take your word for it.

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Sorry pal, i dont own a television. I read the news from many different websites. Yes you can thank the unions for a 40 hour work week. Ford did not start the 40 hour week. It started in Britain during industrial revolution. 1817. It was endorsed first in America by the American Federation of Labor back in 1889 and the American Mine workers won the right to have it in 1898. Before Henry Ford. I like how you skipped over the other benefits unions gave us that Im sure you enjoy (unless you own your own business). They also built that 68 camero you love.

Nowadays mega corporations decide free markets (cause theyre really not free). I will gladly take a minimum wage protection over a Walmart deciding wages.
The factory fire in China a few months back, yes Walmart declined their request for additional funds to boost safety. Thanks to unions, we have workplace safety regulations.

Originally posted by leemachino

Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by camaro68ss

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First let's get rid of Men. They've become obsolete, we can fight, we can just use the thousands of frozen sperm to keep perpetuating the species (besides there would be no overpopulation either this way).

^^^THAT makes just as much sense as your OP, just as ridiculous and babaric. Just saying.

edit on 6-2-2013 by ldyserenity because: spelling

edit on 6-2-2013 by ldyserenity because: stupic typeboard

Its only ridiculous and babaric because you dont understand it. dropping the minimum wage would create deflation dropping the prices of all goods and service. Yes wages would go down but the cost of goods goes down with it. Both will drop equally and relatively, in time wages will rise and the cost of goods will stay low because of the increse in productivity, raising the standard living of all.

The idea of no minimum wage is scary at first and would be horrible if there was monopolies in individual sectors of the economy. (there could be an argument that we has such monopolies now) With monopolies, there’s no competition, with no competition, wages get fixed and prices rise. Hummmm sounds like todays world

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When have commodities ever gone down? Wages have been stagnant for over a decade and when adjusted for inflation have gone down. Yet the cost of everything keeps going up.

Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by camaro68ss

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First let's get rid of Men. They've become obsolete, we can fight, we can just use the thousands of frozen sperm to keep perpetuating the species (besides there would be no overpopulation either this way).

^^^THAT makes just as much sense as your OP, just as ridiculous and babaric. Just saying.

edit on 6-2-2013 by ldyserenity because: spelling

edit on 6-2-2013 by ldyserenity because: stupic typeboard

Its only ridiculous and babaric because you dont understand it. dropping the minimum wage would create deflation dropping the prices of all goods and service. Yes wages would go down but the cost of goods goes down with it. Both will drop equally and relatively, in time wages will rise and the cost of goods will stay low because of the increse in productivity, raising the standard living of all.

The idea of no minimum wage is scary at first and would be horrible if there was monopolies in individual sectors of the economy. (there could be an argument that we has such monopolies now) With monopolies, there’s no competition, with no competition, wages get fixed and prices rise. Hummmm sounds like todays world

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economics 101 people

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by camaro68ss

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First let's get rid of Men. They've become obsolete, we can fight, we can just use the thousands of frozen sperm to keep perpetuating the species (besides there would be no overpopulation either this way).

^^^THAT makes just as much sense as your OP, just as ridiculous and babaric. Just saying.

edit on 6-2-2013 by ldyserenity because: spelling

edit on 6-2-2013 by ldyserenity because: stupic typeboard

Its only ridiculous and babaric because you dont understand it. dropping the minimum wage would create deflation dropping the prices of all goods and service. Yes wages would go down but the cost of goods goes down with it. Both will drop equally and relatively, in time wages will rise and the cost of goods will stay low because of the increse in productivity, raising the standard living of all.

The idea of no minimum wage is scary at first and would be horrible if there was monopolies in individual sectors of the economy. (there could be an argument that we has such monopolies now) With monopolies, there’s no competition, with no competition, wages get fixed and prices rise. Hummmm sounds like todays world

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assumptions not based in fact:
1...dropping min. wage would create deflation
2...when wages go down, cost of goods to consumers goes down
3...wages rise when productivity goes up

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by camaro68ss

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economics 101 people

You are clearly insane. Minimum wage forces employers to pay their workers a somewhat livable wage. Henry Ford didn't need this force on him, he INVENTED IT.

Remove minimum wage, and let the "free market" decide what you get paid? So, how many employees do you have then? Because only someone already in a position to be unaffected by something like this, would even entertain the notion for an instant.

Let me tell you how that plays out. It's a race to the bottom, people need to work, and will work, regardless of the wage. Once you remove the lower cap, companies have no incentive to pay a reasonable wage, because there is an endless supply of starving people desperate to work.

If you want a clear example of why this would literally destroy your entire country, go to any major retail chain and ask their employees about their shifts. They will tell you they work full time hours, but are only considered part time because of some loopholes, allowing the employer to pay them less, and give them no benefits.

Minimum wage isn't an incentive to work. It's a bulkhead against the pure greed of humanity.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by camaro68ss

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economics 101 people

You are clearly insane. Minimum wage forces employers to pay their workers a somewhat livable wage. Henry Ford didn't need this force on him, he INVENTED IT.

Remove minimum wage, and let the "free market" decide what you get paid? So, how many employees do you have then? Because only someone already in a position to be unaffected by something like this, would even entertain the notion for an instant.

Let me tell you how that plays out. It's a race to the bottom, people need to work, and will work, regardless of the wage. Once you remove the lower cap, companies have no incentive to pay a reasonable wage, because there is an endless supply of starving people desperate to work.

If you want a clear example of why this would literally destroy your entire country, go to any major retail chain and ask their employees about their shifts. They will tell you they work full time hours, but are only considered part time because of some loopholes, allowing the employer to pay them less, and give them no benefits.

Minimum wage isn't an incentive to work. It's a bulkhead against the pure greed of humanity.

Originally posted by EyeDesign
reply to post by camaro68ss

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If anything we need to raise minimum wage to $10/hr and make it so that goods produced outside of the United States costs a lot more to import. The minimum wage protects workers by making it so that those making the least can survive and minimum wage doesn't even support a living. The NWO wants it so that nobody gets paid for work least not the minimum wage! They want to return things to the slave order of getting the crap out of you or threatened with jail if you refuse to work for free. I don't hear anyone else talking about creating a 100% inheritance tax so that no wealth is handed down to anyone and everyone has a fair playing ground at birth. We need to find better solutions to our problems than the makeshift bandage that keeps falling off.