The Most Important Chart in American Politics, page 8

Originally posted by ColCurious
reply to post by chasingbrahman

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No.
Not every state with a social state principle has to follow this trajectory.
The social state priciniple per se is a wonderful thing, but only if implemented correctly and in a state that can afford it.

edit on 6-2-2013 by ColCurious because: (no reason given)

Well color me interested!

In what country has the bottom-heavy welfare class been carried by its working, middle and upper classes for longer than four or five decades?

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by tothetenthpower

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My standard responses tend to go ignored, but I'll repeat;

Austerity measure, NOW!

The American "concept" cannot maintain it's current level of spending if it wants to survive. Taxes are not the answer. Cut spending. Cut entitlements. Cut benefits.

People are going to have to fend for themselves and not rely on government to take care of them. If we don't do Sequestration now, if we don't make serious cuts now, then what we are seeing is the last decade of America.

In my humble opinion.

Austerity is most definitely not the answer, the things that will be cut are the things that people need and are entitled to. The only solution in my opinion is an uprising and even then it's only temporary until we're back in the # pile we're in now. Austerity hurts the people and has no effect on those who own everything.

Originally posted by xedocodex
reply to post by jibeho

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They are linked. Stagnant income and bottomless spending means that the govt. needs to tap the taxpayers even more at the same time nearly 50% pay zero federal income tax. Thereby reducing income further with no end in sight as the pinching and choking of the middle class continues. Gotta reign in spending chief .. We are completely out of balance....

Taxes isn't what is responsible for stagnating household income. It's a false argument to try to derail the topic and not admit where the real issue is.

Corporate profits are up, Productivity is up...why isn't income up as well?

To address this problem, you would have to admit that our capitalist system is being gamed by those at the top to create a huge income gap. You would have to admit that the GOP caters to corporations and fights for them to get more tax breaks and benefits. You would have to admit that you and other GOP supporters are voting directly against your own interests and the only person you have to blame for your own misfortunes is yourself.

But that is hard to do...admit to your faults...so instead, you blame the government

edit on 6-2-2013 by xedocodex because: (no reason given)

This guy is the only poster in this entire thread addressing the OP and accurately identifying the problem. Some of you are so clueless it's not even funny.

Xedocodex owns this thread and everyone should be listening to this poster, he is 100% correct, the system is designed to throw everyone overboard. Ever wonder why your grandfather could work his entire life and feed 10 kids while his wife stayed at home? Now every family needs two bread winners, the kids get neglected and the family unit is completely destroyed, but this was not an accident, this was corruption and greed robbing the populous and the solution to some is Austerity lmao. One of the greatest tools on earth used to increase the gap from the haves and have-nots. You've been had hook, line and sinker.

If you have bought-en into the Austerity bs then you're a sucker, unfortunately I'd prefer if you didn' drag me down with you. Cuts need to be made, no one denies this, but they don't need to be made on the needs of average citizens who are struggling to survive. The game is rigged, no one seems to notice and no one seems to care.

If household income was up there wouldn't be 50million people on food stamps, are you people really this dense?

Originally posted by chasingbrahman

Originally posted by ColCurious
reply to post by chasingbrahman

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No.
Not every state with a social state principle has to follow this trajectory.
The social state priciniple per se is a wonderful thing, but only if implemented correctly and in a state that can afford it.

edit on 6-2-2013 by ColCurious because: (no reason given)

Well color me interested!

In what country has the bottom-heavy welfare class been carried by its working, middle and upper classes for longer than four or five decades?

None.

"Carrying a welfare class" is not the purpose of a social state at all.
A proper social system should equally improve incentives and qualifications for the unemployed workforce to get back into work as soon as possible.

reply to post by tothetenthpower

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When people finally wake up to the fact (the mass corporate-controlled news media won't report it) that the Federal Reserve (a private banking cartel) printing over $50 billion dollar notes (or by just a few keystrokes on their computer) per month inflates the economy and makes the dollar weaker month after month....it's called fraud, stealing, a pyramid scheme just like social security. The Federal Reserve Act is basically illegal to begin with as under the Constitution Article 1, Section 8 only the Treasury Dept. is authorized to issue currency (value-based) at NO interest. It should have been submitted as an Amendment to the Constitution...it wasn't and is, ergo, illegal. The Fed, the Wall Street Banksters and the money-junkies profit tremendously from each round of this fiat money because they get their greedy hands on it FIRST before it further devalues itself. The Euro will soon fall bringing the fiat Dollar with it. It's time for America 2.0 which redefines "general welfare" and creates a true democracy with Bill of Rights attached. Representative government does NOT work (just look at what happened with TARP...the whole damn country was against it, but the Banksters won out!). www.whatreallyhappened.com

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