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posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by doryinaz
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no, Grasshopper...."austerity" is just a buzzword for starving the poor and further enriching the rich...."entitlements" is the word used to vilify us for taking our hard earned and paltry social security.....seems you are either a troll or you have drunk the koolaid.....


I haven't been called a troll in a while. Must be slipping.


America is supposed to be the greatest country on earth....so, how could that be if 40% of our children and 60% of our elderly are wondering where their next meal will come from???


America "used" to be the greatest country on Earth. Keep up with the times. The US stinks on ice now.


....and, God forbid any one of those tens of millions gets sick....no healthcare for them???....You are part of the growing "cruel party"....who have listened to the baloney being spewed by the press and the rich buggers who own it....shame on you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Keep drinking from the entitlement well. Enjoy it while you can. Unless some harsh changes are made, you won't be sipping from it for long.




posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by bumpufirst
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i have to agree with you 100 percent,they block every thing making most people dependent on a dam employment of a major corporation. and i do believe that our military is another huge blood sucking leech,no ofence to our soldiers,but it is so.in a world of colonizing and bringing back the resources and sustaining military would work.but for peace in the world? add on to the expensives of wars,the money vested to rebuild such war zones. yes some usa private companys go in(leeches) but it does nothing to our economy. and if it does,we should be on top then with all the peace we spreading out.
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its take the 50% cut or get nothing in the near future. We would all love to help everyone out but it simply cant be done anymore. If the cuts arnt made everyone gets ZERO in the future. Math sucks but its always right.

your logic is so incorrect, you dont make people dependent on major corporations or government, you make them dependent on themselfs.
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posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by camaro68ss

your logic is so incorrect, you dont make people dependent on major corporations or government, you make them dependent on themselfs.
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We have an entire culture that believes in Keynesian economics, it hasn't worked.

QE 1,2,3,4,5,. . . . hasn't worked.

Epic spending hasn't worked.

There is an entire culture re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

It's frustrating!



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
Oh lordy!
Again, the patient is on the table, the patient is dying. And you folks want to talk about a better exercise program for the patient!


Oh Please!

When the patient is dying on the table you plug it into a life support machine and make sure you have the right Doctors and Nurses.

You do NOT scrap the machine, sack the staff and tear down the hospital.



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by BritofTexas

Originally posted by beezzer
Oh lordy!
Again, the patient is on the table, the patient is dying. And you folks want to talk about a better exercise program for the patient!


Oh Please!

When the patient is dying on the table you plug it into a life support machine and make sure you have the right Doctors and Nurses.

You do NOT scrap the machine, sack the staff and tear down the hospital.


You treat the illness, NOT the symptoms!



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by camaro68ss

your logic is so incorrect, you dont make people dependent on major corporations or government, you make them dependent on themselfs.
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We have an entire culture that believes in Keynesian economics, it hasn't worked.

QE 1,2,3,4,5,. . . . hasn't worked.

Epic spending hasn't worked.

There is an entire culture re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

It's frustrating!


I personally like the titanic deck chairs to face stern, it helps me forget the fact that the front of the ship is underwater.



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 01:11 PM
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The number of stars you received in that post is VERY disheartening. Not just the rich and the government, Its the peoples fault also, because even here on a conspiracy site people are asleep. You should have received at least 30 + for that very truthful post. I swear after thirty years of this and the majority still do not see it I've about had it with this broken brainwashed nation. For Gods sake people wake up and take the money we earned back from these super wealthy billion-air pigs.

I just don't get it. Its like a science fiction movie...a bad one at that. People let the rich take all the money, then I hear mention of austerity programs?!? Others agreed and stared that post? WTF?

Its down right amazing to me to see this happen. I am a 50 yld and have seen this slowly happen since 1980, and have waited for the common sense to come back but it just gets worst. What the hell is going on?
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posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 01:12 PM
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small local industry is what made it great,since they been gone it went down hill, add on to that a huge nanny to maintain.if you think every one working for gov or a major corp. works you will find two big problems. one is greed,the other is power (curruption). networking community,not pyramid corp.
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posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
You treat the illness, NOT the symptoms!


Low or non-existent Household Income is the illness.

With full employment and a living wage entitlements would NOT exist.

Apart from Corporate entitlements of course.



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by BritofTexas

Originally posted by beezzer
You treat the illness, NOT the symptoms!


Low or non-existent Household Income is the illness.

With full employment and a living wage entitlements would NOT exist.

Apart from Corporate entitlements of course.


You're correct in that corporate entitlements would still exist. Social security, medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, defense spending, foreign aid, federal pensions. . . . .

If spending is not cut, then America as we know it is doomed!

(dang, never thought I'd be a doom-guy!)



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 02:50 PM
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Someone should get one of those white house petitions out to bailout the people. One million dollars per registered voter should do it. What's that like 150 trillion? Shoot we are going to print that much anyway.

Then we cut all the federal "departments" and thusly spending. A lot of people will be out of a job, but they just got a million bucks.



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 02:56 PM
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we should stand up and revolt if all the elected will not resign. Clean house. All else is BS.

Get rid of the federal reserve and fiat money.

Reform the banking system and end fractal banking. Create a coin backed by what ever you want.

make the popular vote the one that counts.

make any company trying to sell a product in the US have to produce it there as well.

If anyone resists, arrest them or deport them.

If they do worse, then do worse to them. Take off the gloves and actually do something. If they refuse, have consequences ready. Not signs and slogans they laugh at from the _ Make them take cover or listen.

They should listen. That is why they are there supposedly.

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posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 03:19 PM
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You treat the illness, NOT the symptoms!


Low wages, which this thread is about, is not a symptom of government spending.

It is a symptom of unregulated capitalism...so yes...let's treat the illness and get some regulation back into our system.



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by BritofTexas

Originally posted by beezzer
You treat the illness, NOT the symptoms!


Low or non-existent Household Income is the illness.

With full employment and a living wage entitlements would NOT exist.

Apart from Corporate entitlements of course.


You're correct in that corporate entitlements would still exist. Social security, medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, defense spending, foreign aid, federal pensions. . . . .

If spending is not cut, then America as we know it is doomed!

(dang, never thought I'd be a doom-guy!)


Your not a dooming guy, you’re a reality guy.



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by xedocodex
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You treat the illness, NOT the symptoms!


Low wages, which this thread is about, is not a symptom of government spending.

It is a symptom of unregulated capitalism...so yes...let's treat the illness and get some regulation back into our system.


Sure. Why not. If folks like yourself can't see past the next couple of years then why the hell not!

Raise everyone's pay!

Might as well crash on a high note.



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by camaro68ss


Your not a dooming guy, you’re a reality guy.


With all the folks just thinking that raising ones pay will solve the massive debt and coming implosion, kinda hard NOT to feel "doomish".



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 03:41 PM
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Actually Beezer, as I stated earlier in this thread, if even just Walmart, gave it's annual bonus cash to the general minimum wage worker, the economy would boom almost over night.

It would be an actual stimulus package sponsored by the markets, and not by the government. So yes, raising wages and addressing poor treatment by US companies is certainly a good place to look.

~Tenth



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by xedocodex
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You treat the illness, NOT the symptoms!


Low wages, which this thread is about, is not a symptom of government spending.

It is a symptom of unregulated capitalism...so yes...let's treat the illness and get some regulation back into our system.


Sure. Why not. If folks like yourself can't see past the next couple of years then why the hell not!

Raise everyone's pay!

Might as well crash on a high note.


Tell me how cutting government programs is going to raise household incomes???

Just admit you did your best to try to derail this thread...and it failed.

And yes, if everyones income would raise, the government would collect more taxes, the deficit would be smaller, people would spend more money, more jobs would be created due to demand, and less people would be on welfare.

Or what is your plan again...cut peoples only source of feeding their family...and that is going to help how???



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by xedocodex
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You treat the illness, NOT the symptoms!


Low wages, which this thread is about, is not a symptom of government spending.

It is a symptom of unregulated capitalism...so yes...let's treat the illness and get some regulation back into our system.


lets take a look at Henry Ford, No minimum wage at the time. He opened up his Ford car plant and pay all his workers $5 a day when his competitors where paying their workers $2.50 a day. Solely on free market principles, more people flocked to work for Ford. Once securing a job, they worked extra hard to keep that job, increasing productivity of the plant and driving down cost to produce a car.

Creating a “minimum wage” discourages productivity and in all actuality increase the cost of goods produced. Once on minimum wage, why work hard? You’re on a fixed pay and can’t go lower.

A good example of dropping the minimum wage would be In n’ Out burgers on the west coast. They pay there employees $12 an hour starting. It’s the highest paying fast food joint around. Because of it, the workers’ productivity is externally high. Everyone wants to keep their good paying job. Because of the high productivity, burgers are low price but of GREAT quality.

If minimum wage was not around, free market would establish a market value wage. Those jobs that pay well get high productivity and lower cost of goods sold, those that dont pay well will have a hard time finding people to fill the jobs and have low productivity resulting in higher cost of goods.

economics 101 people
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posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 03:47 PM
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Epic spending hasn't worked.


i hope you understand the difference between,
spending money "into the real economy" ie were people work and eat and sell stuff
and spending money "into banks accounts for speculating" ie the average person sees no economic effect

because to willfully confuse these two points in really not a good look.

spending and bail out do two completely different things.

xploder





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