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Originally posted by bluestreak53
reply to post by Brighter
All very good points. Now why aren't there sightings like this anymore?
(Or haven't been for quite some time)
Originally posted by ZetaRediculian
Obviously something was there but I do think the captain had a predisposition to believe in spaceships from other planets based on his report. My memory sucks, so If I am wrong, please correct me.
Originally posted by flexy123
Notice how sightings and UFO reports these days get worse and worse, most of the time bordering the utmost absurdity of hoaxes, fakes, misinterpretations etc. (Just browsing ATS for the latest videos etc..makes one shake heads in disbelief). Birds, lens-flares etc..etc...
Then we have the startling discoveries of "aliens" and similar often in countries like "some town in Russia" or Mexico...and the biggest and most absurd hoaxers like Greer, Maussean etc.
Is this all "UFOLogy" is today? Birds on youtube videos and claims by proven fakers and hoaxers like Maussean about "invisible UFO landings" and similar?
Cheezus....compare this with the 50s or 60s, at least there were HALFWAY credible cases compared to all this nonsense today...just saying...
When you look at the better UFO books and documentaries, the "good" cases are mostly those from way back (several decades, although I also start to think Randlesham is not credible anymore) - no real good recent cases.
So..have "aliens" stopped coming to this awful planet sometime in the 80s and now all its left on the subject is the latest UFO hoaxes on Youtube? Where are the GOOD cases, the good videos, the startling cases, ..not the overhyped BS and fakes out of Mexico or "Siberia"? What has happened? Where are they?
edit on 3-2-2013 by flexy123 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Ectoplasm8
Originally posted by ZetaRediculian
Obviously something was there but I do think the captain had a predisposition to believe in spaceships from other planets based on his report. My memory sucks, so If I am wrong, please correct me.
No, you're not wrong. Terauchi reported two previous UFO sightings about 5 years before the Nov 1986 sighting. He reported seeing another "mothership" shortly after taking off from Taipai. He's quoted as saying in his FAA interview: "um, ah I saw, um, mothership. Taipai, Kushung, Formosa, south of Formosa ...... When we started to climb we saw left-hand side big mothership..... It was so weird, I ignored it (did not look)." The other sighting was from his home in which he saw bright lights in the sky that continued for 10 minutes. He also reported a UFO on January 11, 1987 in the same general area as the Nov 17, 1986 incident. He radioed air traffic control: "Please record this,.... Irregular lights, looks like a space ship." He later offered an explanation after someone from the FAA pointed out it could have just been lights bouncing off the clouds from a distant village, which he agreed.
He also made statements about the JAL 1628 incident that he thought the "UFOs" didn't want to leave any evidence. "The turbulence would assure their existence: therefore, they positioned themselves well from the beginning. I think perhaps they have regulations they must not be clearly seen by humans"
So this wasn't his first reported sighting and he did seem to have a predisposition for at least believing in the UFO and/or alien phenomenon. His co-pilot and flight engineer did observe red or orange, white "like a landing light" and green lights. But they never described a "mothership" or the details that the pilot Terauchi did. The "spaceships" seemed to stay on the port(left/pilot) side of the craft for a majority of the sighting.
Source
They also couldn't have been hallucinations, as he felt the heat of these objects on his face as they approaced the cabin, in addition to the fact that the light emanating from the nozzles lit up the entire cabin. The other crew members also observed these objects, eliminating the possibility of an hallucination.
en.wikipedia.org...
Hallucinations can occur in any sensory modality — visual, auditory, olfactory, gustatory, tactile, proprioceptive, equilibrioceptive, nociceptive, thermoceptive and chronoceptive.
Originally posted by magma
Looks like still to this day not one single person, not anyone has ever proved UFO's exist.
So until that day comes, they do not exist.
I want to believe, just can't, there is no credible evidence. Not a speck.
Originally posted by BrandonD
Originally posted by magma
Looks like still to this day not one single person, not anyone has ever proved UFO's exist.
So until that day comes, they do not exist.
I want to believe, just can't, there is no credible evidence. Not a speck.
So high ranking officials in the military, government, and Nasa, all saying that ufos are real and are taken very seriously, as well as having demonstrated abilities beyond the capability of our flying machines of the time - that amounts to no credible evidence?
Most people who say there is no evidence, simply have not looked.
No amount of 'predisposition' can account for this. In fact, it's plain silly to even talk about.
Such a focus on psychological 'predispositions' in a case like this betrays a total, abject failure of critical thought, and a bizarre ability to (willfully?) ignore the most obvious facts.
i think there are a lot of bogus stories circulating about. People that believe them simply have not looked harder than they should.
Originally posted by BrandonD
Originally posted by magma
Looks like still to this day not one single person, not anyone has ever proved UFO's exist.
So until that day comes, they do not exist.
I want to believe, just can't, there is no credible evidence. Not a speck.
So high ranking officials in the military, government, and Nasa, all saying that ufos are real and are taken very seriously, as well as having demonstrated abilities beyond the capability of our flying machines of the time - that amounts to no credible evidence?
Most people who say there is no evidence, simply have not looked.
Originally posted by BrighterI couldn't help but notice how you ignored the fact that the mothership - that you've tried so hard to downplay - was not only witnessed by the captain, but tracked on two separate radar installations, one even being an advanced military radar installation.
Just a minor detail, right?
I guess for you, it's more plausible that not only the captain, but the two radar installations all simultaneously 'hallucinated' this object.
Or how about this gem: Maybe the two radar installations each had 'predispositions' to believe in UFOs?
And god forbid a pilot with thousand of hours of experience and an obvious interest in aviation was familiar with the UFO subject. Boy, I'm sure that never happens.
In fact, I'd argue that that could actually help in identifying such objects.
What it boils down to is this: Given the corroborating witness and multiple radar data, there obviously was an object that was pacing the 747 that was not an ordinary aircraft. They were so concerned that they even attempted to scramble military jets. This object paced the 747, and even followed it a full 360 degrees as they attempted to move away from it.
No amount of 'predisposition' can account for this. In fact, it's plain silly to even talk about.
Such a focus on psychological 'predispositions' in a case like this betrays a total, abject failure of critical thought, and a bizarre ability to (willfully?) ignore the most obvious facts.
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Originally posted by ZetaRediculian
i think there are a lot of bogus stories circulating about. People that believe them simply have not looked harder than they should.