The First Shots of the Second American Revolution have been fired

The idea that impeachment is better than revolution is false. Impeachment normally results in sustaining existing policies while a single individual acts as the fall guy for a much larger community of criminals. Impeachment is better than assassination, but revolution is better than either. Impeachment states to the world that you are compliant with all aspects of your legal system, its leaders, and the policies that have been put into place, but for a tight group of technicalities, you will remove a single individual - typically a puppet - from a position of power to be replaced by some other puppet being pulled by the same strings.

Revolution can come in many forms. Impeachment and Assassination target the same person, but are two methods of accomplishing the same limited goal. Revolution is a greater goal that can be accomplished by multiple means as well - both legal and violent.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by openminded2011

 

Nice video but this thread IS NOT ABOUT REPUBLICANS!

Why are you still drinking that kool aid?

These threads seem to always boil down to "Either you support the communist marxist socialist in office (And his cronies), or you are with us.".... And like it or not, that is the thinking of Republicans and Teabaggers. So yes, the GOP and the Tea Party are indeed relevant. You can't cry revolution and the loss of freedoms and ignore what the republicans did to get us here.

reply to post by Unidentified_Objective

I get the discontent. I do.

But let me pose this as the biggest obstacle in America right now.....Bad parenting. Families are more to blame than any laws on the books. Individuals who do not focus on school. The reason tv shows like "Here comes Honey Booboo" are getting contract renewals, is because people watch them. Its trash....an most of popular television is trash. No responsible parent should be letting their kids watch that shìt. Not the Kardashians, not Honey Poopoo and not the myriad of shows that glorify gays or other like behavior.

So far I agree…

I don't like making fun of my countrymen (I served my country, for godsakes) but, I see misinformation and demonizing of a President who is no more liberal than George Bush senior. Seriously, socialist? Hardly. He has continued many of the Bush administrations same policies. That's not to say he does not have his faults. He does. And I do not agree with him 100%. He is not the marxist kenyan that Glen Beck and Hannity tell you he is, though.

I didn’t single him out, I said he is a continuation of the same crap we get dealt every meal from DC. But YES, he most certainly is a Marxist.

America needs to focus & excel in medicine, science, math & technology. No ifs and buts about it. When I see the right fighting bills that would provide schools with more money, the only thing I see is an agenda to make sure nothing positive gets done under Obama. Pure and simple...its political agenda from the GOP (With help from the Pee...I mean, Tea Party). That is NOT putting America first.

He’s not being obstructed! What you see is HIS AGENDA! Stop drinking that Kool Aid…get off the Chris Mathews.

Also, I vote we stop giving pensions to politicians and stop paying them anything more than minimum wage. Politicians should not be able to make a career of it. If you go into office...it should be for the love of country...not because you are an opportunist prick.

I’m in agreement again.

I think if you slow down and reread the OP you’ll find we have more in common than not.

Originally posted by johncarter
reply to post by Wanderer777

 

A bald hick, emulating Alex Jones with some ranting about US being at the same point as ancient rome, right before it became utterly corrupted and fell and so on.

And ...let me see...oh!...that all this misfortune currently befalling US is the fault of that evil black dude in the WH, whom dares make decisions that might cost the life of US citizens???

So how many lives did the decisions of Bush cost the country? Can you answer that? Spare me this right wing propaganda son. Its old and boring.

edit on 31-1-2013 by johncarter because: (no reason given)

Did Rome fall only because of Nero? No

Was he one leader towards the end of many that contributed to the fall? Bet your arse!!

Originally posted by Unidentified_Objective

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by openminded2011

 

Nice video but this thread IS NOT ABOUT REPUBLICANS!

Why are you still drinking that kool aid?

These threads seem to always boil down to "Either you support the communist marxist socialist in office (And his cronies), or you are with us.".... And like it or not, that is the thinking of Republicans and Teabaggers. So yes, the GOP and the Tea Party are indeed relevant. You can't cry revolution and the loss of freedoms and ignore what the republicans did to get us here.

Another plus for fifty sovereign states. The demos can have a state, the repubs can have a state, the tea partiers can have a state and the socialists can have a state. That leaves 46 states for the rest of us liberty minded non statists.

reply to post by xedocodex

Not one of those bills they are proposing are enforcable. I would love to see local cops try to arrest a federal agent for enforcing National law. Sorry, it just doesn't work that way...that was decided in the Civil War.

Not quite Sheriffs in Wyoming Arizona and Idaho have all stood up to the feds and threatened to arrest federal agents who subsequently backed down the sheriffs were backed by the courts.The only thing the Civil war decided was who had more might at the time. Might does not make right. The federal government does not have jurisdiction in the States period. Their presence in the states is a violation of the constitution pure and simple!



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Originally posted by OptimusSubprime

Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
IMPEACHMENT trumps Revolution. If the problem lies primarily at the top then the leadership should be replaced....especially peacefully and legally.

So we impeach... and then what? The corruption will still be there. The voter fraud will still be there. The FED will still be there. The debt and deficit will still be there. The crooked, criminal politicians from both globalist parties will still be there. etc... etc... et al.. Then the next "Obama" will rise up, say some cool stuff read from the telprompter, and between episodes of American Idol and Family Guy the Entitlement Class aka "Give us our free stuff" class will go vote for him/her and the cycle will continue. It's time for individual state legislatures to start meeting together will other like minded state legislatures, secede... and then form new Confederations.

I starred your post because I love the idealism of it. I am afraid the truth however is that in order for states to give the middle finger to the fed a vast majority would need to be on the same page. Anything less would mean armed conflict because much like the Civil War the Fed government will not allow states to go thier own way. I fear any attempt at state secession is going to end up being a blood filled affair unless 3/4 or more all decide it is for the best.

reply to post by Darkphoenix77

I fear any attempt at state secession is going to end up being a blood filled affair unless 3/4 or more all decide it is for the best.

We can't make decisions out of fear.

If it’s the best course of action to accomplish the goal that at least MOST of us agree on (removing the idiots of both parties from power) then we must move forward.

If it gets ugly, so be it! You can't live forever.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Darkphoenix77

 

I fear any attempt at state secession is going to end up being a blood filled affair unless 3/4 or more all decide it is for the best.

We can't make decisions out of fear.

If it’s the best course of action to accomplish the goal that at least MOST of us agree on (removing the idiots of both parties from power) then we must move forward.

If it gets ugly, so be it! You can't live forever.

edit on 31-1-2013 by seabag because: (no reason given)

I agree, we can't keep going the way we are, just stating I hope a majority of the states feel the same way. If a majority do we have a chance at a peaceful revolution, and real reform. If it is 50/50 split or less things are going to get really ugly. Not saying it does not need to be done, just hoping for the best case scenario is all.

reply to post by seabag


Few people realize exactly how much damage would be caused during a revolution. Thousands dead within the first day - men, women, and children. Entire families slaughtered. Millions oppressed as marshal law would be implemented. Loss of life and liberty nationwide. Is the cost really worth it? Those of you asking for civil war, I'm not sure you know what you're asking for.

Originally posted by Unidentified_Objective

These threads seem to always boil down to "Either you support the communist marxist socialist in office (And his cronies), or you are with us.".... And like it or not, that is the thinking of Republicans and Teabaggers. So yes, the GOP and the Tea Party are indeed relevant. You can't cry revolution and the loss of freedoms and ignore what the republicans did to get us here.

You cant cry these type of threads with teabaggers' while engaging in a teabagging. Dont like the thread or people dont post and get the hell out.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


It isnt the peoples fault if the govt kills millions to stay in power. Its the tyrants wishes.
Mr Henry said it best, read closely:

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

reply to post by Darkphoenix77

I agree, we can't keep going the way we are, just stating I hope a majority of the states feel the same way. If a majority do we have a chance at a peaceful revolution, and real reform. If it is 50/50 split or less things are going to get really ugly. Not saying it does not need to be done, just hoping for the best case scenario is all.

Well hell, we all hope for the best and prepare for the worst. You and I are in total agreement there!

Did you know petitions have been made in all 50 states for secession? Some obviously have more signatures than others but you can see on whitehouse.gov they’re there. The shot across the bow has been fired and the wheels are in motion…the constitution will be upheld.

I really love these, "The Revolution is now" threads. And by bringing the monochromatic GOP back is somehow going to save America...lol...This is comedy. Even the GOP leaders right now admit they have to grow their base...aka bring in coloreds... Their time is over. Now if something new came up then this would be a different conversation....But the Grand Old People Party??? The same idiots blaming gun violence on video games...Yeah...Good luck with that. Welcome to New America. You will see the CHANGE we really meant...

reply to post by AfterInfinity

Few people realize exactly how much damage would be caused during a revolution. Thousands dead within the first day - men, women, and children. Entire families slaughtered. Millions oppressed as marshal law would be implemented. Loss of life and liberty nationwide. Is the cost really worth it?

PLEASE quote me “asking for civil war.”

Quote anyone on this thread asking for that.

Those of you asking for civil war, I'm not sure you know what you're asking for.

I would tend to agree that anyone asking for WAR has never seen WAR.

reply to post by ltheghost

I really love these, "The Revolution is now" threads. And by bringing the monochromatic GOP back is somehow going to save America...lol...This is comedy. Even the GOP leaders right now admit they have to grow their base...aka bring in coloreds... Their time is over. Now if something new came up then this would be a different conversation....But the Grand Old People Party??? The same idiots blaming gun violence on video games...Yeah...Good luck with that. Welcome to New America. You will see the CHANGE we really meant...

I really love these “F-the GOP” responses to threads that have nothing to do with the GOP!

What A TOOL!

...and any time you want to show me some "change" shoot me a message!

Apparently I've activated every sock puppet/troll account on ATS.

MEH....none of you can form a logical argument anyway!

And to quote Supreme Court Judge Anthony Scalia..."The Constitution is dead"...Its is a piece of paper written for a different time. I would like to remind several of our esteemed posters that the Constitution wasn't written for everyone. Land owning White Males need to apply. Of course of over the past century there has been additions and revisions to include more people who reside in this country. But talks of revolution are cries from a by gone era that will never come back again. Our current President hasn't taken away any rights that you had back in 2000. You can still own your little guns and watch reality tv. Your world is the box that has been made for you. You operate in a fantasy world that is enforced by talk radio and fox news. You are contained. Your dreams of fighting a rebellion are as real as you hooking up with Dallas Cowboy cheerleader. You are sheep. Lambs. Puppets. But please continue...your internet revolution talk. It is hilarious. Look at the weapons in your home...you feel safe? Welcome to your illusion.

reply to post by ltheghost

I would like to remind several of our esteemed posters that the Constitution wasn't written for everyone. Land owning White Males need to apply.

Bottom of the barrel arguments now, ma’am!

You’ll really have to try harder.

reply to post by seabag


Well it really wasn't a F the GOP response...even though I did bring up the old dirt bags. Its was just feeler to send out the true message..........there will be no revolution. No Ron Paul Revolution. No wearing the V for Vendetta Masks...Nothing. The Sheep will remain, sheep. Getting poorer by the day... These imaginary revolution-style talks are interesting to say the least. The old put up the good fight rhetoric is entertaining.

reply to post by seabag


I am sorry but I an NOT drinking the koolaid that the right wing has the interests of anything other than billionaires in mind. And the tea party is an astroturf front group that is largely financed by them. So when they say that they are coming to "save me" I immediately know what that means. They want to dupe the people just long enough so they can "strangle our democracy in a bathtub" and turn the country into a cross between neo feudalism and a slave plantation. Sorry, I dont buy it never will. Conservatives have NEVER been for the working man and never will. Anyone who believes that is grpssly misinformed and I am not crawling into that hole with them. What set me off is the statement of "another Ronald Reagan" to save us. Let me tell you, that SOB did more to wreck this country than 10 Obamas. We are where we are now because of 30 years of Reaganomics and trickle down. If the mantra of "cut taxes for the rich to create jobs" worked, WHERE ARE ALL THE JOBS????? Answer: in third world sweatshops, thats where the money went, and our jobs with it. So I do not buy the conservative bill of goods anymore. The trickle is never coming, I respect your views but you need to test the validity of them. I have seen with my own eyes the results of the conservative "revolution", its a third world country with service jobs.