This thread proves just how effective the inculcation process has been and how deep the conditioning resides. Anyone that cherishes freedom among these zombies does indeed have their work cut out for them. They are the true enemy within as they are clearly willing to become collaborating boot lickers. The only real hope that I see is secession, peaceful secession. We need our Tankman moment to launch from there. Still, it is a longshot but one that must be taken.

We lost our best chance for freedom 150 years ago seabag.

Originally posted by Ghost375
What are you people really fighting for?

You keep saying big words like freedom, but you aren't really losing your freedoms. You're losing arguments and can't stand it. You're a bunch of babies who aren't getting their way.

This country is moving on without you. We're going to have healthcare for everyone. We're going to help those in need. Crazy people will have to go through some background checks before picking up an assault rifle at walmart. Women will be able to choose to have an abortion. We're going to try to keep the environment clean. And I'll be proud of that nation.

Keep crying, I dare you try to do something.

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And another thing. You guys love to act like things were so great in the past. Maybe you should do some more research into how things really were. It wasn't some utopia. You act like their was actually freedom in the late 1700s and early 1800s. We had slaves! Those people weren't free. We didn't need regulations on corporations because they didn't exist! There were like a million people total in the entirety of the US. These are different times. Trying to go back to a time and place that never existed save in your minds isn't where this country is going.

things aren't great now. And they could be better. But your melodramatic BS needs to stop.

Uh, does anyone realize we're not firing a bunch of muskets and canons anymore? This is getting rather out of hand, especially if people think the GOP can save 'Murica and all such things.

To much talking and not enough lynching. Seriously. As we talk, they laugh.

Oh and BTW. When 4 of the top 5 posters are MANNERS AND DECORUMED up the wing wang, I think its time to find other places to speak. This place really is not all that hot. Or hip.

I really don't understand America.

You had a president (bush) that started all these wars, put the country into massive debt, and deregulated the banking system so it collapsed. Then you blame the guy who was left with the mess for all the problems?

And now you want to overthrow the government because they want to ban assault rifles?

And the tea party? don't they believe the earth is only 6000 years old? You want them to take over?

Honestly, all these republican vs democract is a bunch of nonsense. Hating on someone because he isn't on the same team as you are is ridiculous.

The republicans and democractes policies are all that different, all this division is a lie.

You know what, I wish you'd do it. Go ahead, start shooting. I'd love to see the immense b*tchslap you "revolutionaries" would get from the military.

Now that that's out of the way: do I agree that you've got some good points? Definitely. The US system is imploding in slow motion. Your beloved concepts of liberty are being reduced more and more (hell, I feel more free in Canada than I ever would in the US), the divide between the rich and the poor is growing, and society isn't adapting at anywhere near a fast enough pace. The bare fact of the matter is that the economic model that the American politicians are trying to push is completely unsustainable today. In the '50s, a manufacturing-based economy worked fine, because we didn't have the technology to render human labour obsolete. But we're coming to the point now where we can and will.

So what do you do when the jobs literally run out? My personal feeling is this: mankind is about to undergo a radical change in society. The whole idea of having to work to survive is going away fast. We're entering what amounts to a post-scarcity society in which you simply can't justify not providing at least the bare essentials of life to everyone. But as long as the "elite," the buisness moguls control the system, they won't let that happen.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that we as a species have been staving off the effects of technological advancement for a very long time, and it's going to come to a head very soon.

Originally posted by Ghost375
What are you people really fighting for?

You keep saying big words like freedom, but you aren't really losing your freedoms. You're losing arguments and can't stand it. You're a bunch of babies who aren't getting their way.

This country is moving on without you. We're going to have healthcare for everyone. We're going to help those in need. Crazy people will have to go through some background checks before picking up an assault rifle at walmart. Women will be able to choose to have an abortion. We're going to try to keep the environment clean. And I'll be proud of that nation.

Keep crying, I dare you try to do something.

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Seconded and well said.

That is really all it is, they are losing and they can't handle it. If they can't win elections...they will just try to ignore the laws of the land.

Thanks for posting this OP. Personally I am all for decentralization however I do not think it is a reality. Any state that does muster the courage to defy the federal government over anything substantial will be made an example of and demonized through state media (the only media left).

The problem is 3 fold. Those 3 folds are the 3 branches of Govt and they have all been compromised. The judicial will essentially support anything the federal govt wants. When was the last time a president overturned the decisions/policies of a former president much less the judicial. I am not talking about taxes either. Any legislative attempts to change things are going to fail because they wont get enough attention due to the controlled media and the manufactured apathy of a generation of infantile brats. Funding is just one reason this wont work. The era of mass protest (of substance not the manufactured and co-opted tea-party/occupy groups) is over.

My pessimism though does not exclude an eventual movement by real patriots but the controlled paradigm of the current 2 party system will marginalize them and make them look like cooks as has been done for at least the last 10 years or so. Eventually bloodshed may ensue but the problem is that people on here think that when "it" starts its going to just be on the news for everyone to view and participate in and this is just wrong. The news will give you an edited view based on the outcome they are ordered to produce primarily that of making patriots into some type of anachronistic terrorist or bible thumping Luddites or something.

No unfortunately like a drug addict the country will have to hit rock bottom before anything happens and by that time people will be too poor in resources to mount any legitimate opposition and who is to say that any reformed government would be any better. The way I see it too many people have been conditioned to believe that "Old" is bad and "New" is good and will jump on the bandwagon of anyone who comes along to fill the power vacuum with empty promises of prosperity. The time for action has come and gone now what is left is reaction and we are one step behind. and TPTB are counting on it.

I wonder if this is how the people sounded leading up to the last days of the Roman Empire?

I think that we are waaaaaay beyond the ability to fix anything....my plan is to survive whatever is coming. Be prepared is our best option.

The house is on fire. It's going to burn to the ground, we need to get the heck out because no amount of water is going to put it out.


OP, you are right. Our Framers purposely wrote the Constitution with the States sovereignty in mind. If the Federal govt doesn't agree, too bad...I would rather live in a free, sovereign State, than a Federal Socialist Union.

Who fired the shots? What weapons were involved?

Damn that tyranny with its iPads and Big Macs.

I am neither a Republican or a Democrat as I am an Independent.

It really pisses me off when one side or the other wastes time argueing over flashpoint issues rather than actually working together to solve our problems.

What is just as bad is when one or the other parties candidate becomes President the loosing party will scream, bitch and moan to no end declaring that...THIS IS THE END! THIS PRESIDENT IS THE ANTICHRIST!

It happens every time a President is elected. Well...GET OVER IT! The guy was elected and your party lost!

Unreal.

Split Infinity

The petition.. The Texas one got waaaay more signatures than the Louisiana has and their response was that "Our States Remain United‏"

I really doubt secession will be possible peacefully..

Originally posted by DaTroof

I don't personally feel Obama should be impeached, but if people want to have that opinion, cool.

Those talking about revolution... well, you're on the list. Maybe I put you there.

Woah there genius.... who gives you the right to jump into a post and start bashing it without putting up your share of evidence to support your claim that Obama(dictator) should NOT be impeached? You are a troll and should be banished from ATS, I put you on that list! Don't come to my neighborhood because you wouldn't last 5 minutes you'd either be dead or kidnapped and dropped in the ghetto with the rest of the people who think like you.