Reagan Warned Us About Obama

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posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 03:11 PM
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Reagan was a joke and is partly responsible for the state America is in right now.




posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 03:13 PM
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I continue to see this idea pushed that says somehow republicans will save
us from the democrats, do they so quickly forget they have had more than
one or two goes at it themselves and not only did they not help make anything
better, they made things worse, republicans care about as much for our freedom
as the democrats care for our opinion....... these people are united against the
people, maybe just maybe one day we will learn to ignore the propaganda
that both sides most likely worked together to create by the way, and
unite against their combined idiocy and fix all this stuff.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 03:17 PM
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Corporations are giant communes who seek to eliniminate individual property rights, leading to corporate banker ownership of all properties.

Ignore the corporate propaganda, and watch what these corporations actually do, which is control the markets and eliminate individual property rights



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 03:30 PM
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No they're not. And communes are not communism.

Communism and socialism is the workers ownership of the means of production.

It has nothing to do with capitalists organizing themselves to protect their wealth, that is a capitalist idea. The first corporation was the Dutch East India company, who had a state sanctioned monopoly on exploiting India.

You are all just afraid to admit to yourselves that capitalism is the problem, and nothing else.

Incorporation Laws



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 03:34 PM
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But they do not create COMMON OWNERSHIP, corporations do the complete opposite.

I cannot even fathom how people have gotten this crazy ultra hyper capitalism we have confused with any sort of quasi socialist communism lol.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 03:43 PM
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The presidents brain is missing...




posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 03:45 PM
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Yet another political thread that makes a joke out of the ATS motto. Way to go. Is there any way to put it to a vote on here and change the motto to Promote Ignorance? That's what I see on here more often than not so it might as well be official.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 04:30 PM
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Basically what you showed me is nothing has changed in Politics of Both sides in what 50 years?

ALMOST 50 YEARS BOTH PARTIES HAVE BEEN PULLING THIS B.S.!

Wake up Reagan is long dead and the Republican ideals with him, Republicans AND Democrats have done this!

UGH Thanks...
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posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 04:37 PM
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"The 80s sucked... why have we forgotten that? "

coc aine.... which the Reagan administration is responsible for elevating to the level it has reached



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 05:30 PM
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I posted this on the YouTube too:

Its not about "Obama this" or "Obama that"... neither was it about Bush or any other recent president. The president just "presides", as a mouth piece, a frontman for who's really running the show behind the scenes. Don't you know that? Oh yah, I suspect the people that produce this "Blame the Man" tripe are well aware. Announcer at the football game, doesn't play the game either. Changing the president changes NOTHING.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 05:30 PM
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Ronald Raygun was a fascist. Though, the 80's certainly seemed like simpler times.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by hawkiye
 


Reagan was far more of a Marxist than Obama ever will be, promoting corporatism, which is Marxism at heart, and completely the oposite of free enterprise. Everything corporations do is aimed at eliminating free enterprise, regulating the individual, and suppressing individual liberty. Reagan took us in the wrong direction, leading the charge against the working class, and everything our nation is supposed to stand for.

You are the one living the delusion.

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LOL you even more deluded them Anok about marxism
Ideologically Reagan was a Goldwater libertarian. But he screwed up and caved to pressure in doing many things he did,
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posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 06:31 PM
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Communes are communist organizations, and so are corporations.

Communes always start out with everyone supposed to share everything and pitch in equally, but there is always a group that forms an alliance, that takes over control of the commune, giving themselves the best, expecting everyone else to do the hard work.

Corporations are owned by the public, sometimes just a few individuals, but the big ones often have millions of shareholders. Corporations are more up front about certain people getting more control, so it start out from the beginning that some people are in control, but it all leads to an elite group controlling everything, including how much everyone gets out of the deal in the end. It is a slightly more honest con game.

Reagan's free market scam made it that much easier for the corporate leaders to get out from long term liabilities and screw over the rank and file, mainly by raiding their pension plans.

In the end, corporations are just another communist scam.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 06:39 PM
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First & foremost is the fact it's an edited video, edited to bring to light the things the op wants the light shined on. Dare say we all could produce such a edited video. I mean hell, we could do one with John Wayne bitchin about Obama.

It's a edited video to TRY & prove something, what I have no idea. Obama is a money spending president that's for sure. And if folks had'nt noticed yet......he's black.... shhhhhhh dont say it to loud, folks will hear it. And lets don't forget Reagan was an actor.....I.E. PAID LIAR. well paid liar that is.





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posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 06:50 PM
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To those who live in the land of denial, everyone looks deluded but the few who share their delusions.

Reagan was a communist.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 06:56 PM
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Just a quick one. Look up corporate involvement in the original colonies in the US, their failure in their communistic approach to land sharing, and the subsequent, far more successful rise of individual land ownership and free enterprise, as in free from corporate, colonial, and aristocratic control.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
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To those who live in the land of denial, everyone looks deluded but the few who share their delusions.

Reagan was a communist.



Yeah and Clinton did not have sex with that women...



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by hawkiye
LOL you even more deluded them Anok about marxism


Please quit calling me deluded. All you have is your uninformed opinion, where is your evidence that I am wrong?

You don't have any, you never have any. I have been researching socialism since the late 70's.

You have never read anything by Marx let alone anything on socialism, so you have a nerve calling other people deluded. Your opinion was formed by other peoples opinions, misunderstandings, and outright lies. Stop pretending you know what you're talking about, you don't.

You do realise that the mass media is owned by capitalists for profit right, and it's capitalists that determine what is in the media? So it is in their best interest to lie to you about socialism. Getting your education from mass media is not research, or a path to understanding.

I'll ask you once again because you never answer the question, "how can anarchists be socialist by your definition of socialism?"

It's you who always has their ass handed to them, here it is.....The FACT that anarchists are socialist completely destroys your argument. All you can do now is try to claim anarchists are not socialists, well history and the original anarchists prove you wrong.

"Anarchism is stateless socialism" - Mikhail Bakunin

"Politically we are anarchists, and economically, communists or socialists." Adolph Fischer, Anarchism: Its Philosophy and Scientific Basis as Defined by Some of its Apostles (1887)


A.1.4 Are anarchists socialists?

Yes. All branches of anarchism are opposed to capitalism.


Anarchist FAQ/What is Anarchism?/1.4

"the fact that State Socialism . . . has overshadowed other forms of Socialism gives it no right to a monopoly of the Socialistic idea." Benjamin Tucker, Anarchist, Instead of a Book, pp. 363-4

Murry Bookchin, American, also an Anarchist....


CAPITALISM TRIUMPHANT, SOCIALISM SUBVERSIVE

In an important, well argued and easy to read book, Bookchin forcefully notes the obvious: we have seen the triumph of capital since the 1980s; this has resulted in increasing working hours, decreasing pay packets, increasing alienation, mass unemployment and poverty, increasing misery, and the brink of an ecological crisis...

...Yet in a time when capitalism is encroaching upon almost every aspect of life, Bookchin ironically claims that the left today has little understanding of capitalism. This can be seen in the current "anti-capitalist" movement, which often confuses the ideology of the free market with capitalism as a whole. To Bookchin, who has been involved in revolutionary leftist politics since the 1930s, the tradition of revolutionary socialism seems lost...

...Bookchin essentially argues we need to rediscover socialism, that is, libertarian socialism. Anarchists need to also rediscover the socialism in anarchism. Many of the basic concepts of the leftist anarchist tradition have been lost. For example, many anarchists now view anarchism as a form of liberalism rather than socialism and completely distrust any talk of class. This means, as Bookchin notes, anarchism is losing its traditional left-wing core, and thus is fast becoming an unthreatening version of liberalism with a bourgeois emphasis on the freedom of the individual, on personal autonomy (a notion that suits capitalists just fine). "Anti-statism" isn't enough. Many reactionaries and even corporate bandits are against state intervention too. In my view, unless socialism is an integral part of anarchism, then anarchism becomes self-indulgence. Anarchists who aren't socialists might as well just call themselves individualists." (p. 125). So Bookchin claims what is sorely needed is a serious, coherent, organised, revolutionary anarchist left which is well-versed in anarchist socialist theory...


www.thrall.orconhosting.net.nz...

Before you comment on economic systems, please actually do some research into it.

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posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 07:19 PM
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Yea, when Clintons daughter came home from college, her mom asked if she had a boyfriend. She said "yes' mom asked. Are the two of you having sex. She said" According to daddy we arent" SORRY for the off topic post, I just could not help myself.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 07:26 PM
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But their corporations were nothing to do with corporations we have now. You all look at this like everything is black, and white, and can only be one way.

Communism as a labour movement for worker ownership was not even in existence when America was colonized.

Communism isn't capitalists getting together to to protect their assets. The economy is still capitalist, the private ownership of the means of production. Incorporating simply protects their personal assets. You know nothing about capitalism, and business obviously.

That is why the USSR was state-capitalist and not communist, the state owned the means of production. Communism is not state ownership, that was just propaganda to demonise the idea, and to fuel the arms race so arms manufactures could make more money.


Regardless of their size, all businesses can benefit from incorporating. Advantages of forming a corporation or Limited Liability Company (LLC) include:

Personal asset protection. Both corporations and LLCs allow owners to separate and protect their personal assets. In a properly structured and managed company, owners should have limited liability for business debts and obligations.
Additional credibility. Adding "Inc." or "LLC" after your business name can add instant authority. Consumers, vendors, and partners may prefer to do business with an incorporated company.
Name protection. In most states, other businesses may not file your exact corporate or LLC name in the same state.
Perpetual existence. Corporations and LLCs continue to exist even if ownership or management changes. Sole proprietorships and partnerships just end if an owner dies or leaves the business.
Tax flexibility. Though profit and loss typically pass through an LLC and get reported on the personal income tax returns of owners, an LLC can also elect to be taxed as a corporation. Likewise, a corporation can avoid double taxation of corporate profits and dividends by electing Subchapter S tax status.
Deductible expenses. Both corporations and LLCs may deduct normal business expenses, including salaries, before they allocate income to owners.


www.incorporate.com...

Incorporating limits the liability of a business, and in court the business is what is on trial, not the owner. This is why people say corporations are treated like people, because essentially they are. The private owners personal wealth and assets can not be touched, if you are not incorporated they can.

Nothing to do with communism, and everything to do with capitalism. If you are against corporations then you are against capitalist limited liabilities, not communism. Join the right side mate.

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