Originally posted by hawkiye
LOL you even more deluded them Anok about marxism
Please quit calling me deluded. All you have is your uninformed opinion, where is your evidence that I am wrong?
You don't have any, you never have any. I have been researching socialism since the late 70's.
You have never read anything by Marx let alone anything on socialism, so you have a nerve calling other people deluded. Your opinion was formed by
other peoples opinions, misunderstandings, and outright lies. Stop pretending you know what you're talking about, you don't.
You do realise that the mass media is owned by capitalists for profit right, and it's capitalists that determine what is in the media? So it is in
their best interest to lie to you about socialism. Getting your education from mass media is not research, or a path to understanding.
I'll ask you once again because you never answer the question, "how can anarchists be socialist by your definition of socialism?"
It's you who always has their ass handed to them, here it is.....The FACT that anarchists are socialist completely destroys your argument. All you
can do now is try to claim anarchists are not socialists, well history and the original anarchists prove you wrong.
"Anarchism is stateless socialism"
- Mikhail Bakunin
"Politically we are anarchists, and economically, communists or socialists."
Adolph Fischer, Anarchism: Its Philosophy and Scientific Basis as
Defined by Some of its Apostles (1887)
Anarchist FAQ/What is Anarchism?/1.4
A.1.4 Are anarchists socialists?
Yes. All branches of anarchism are opposed to capitalism.
"the fact that State Socialism . . . has overshadowed other forms of Socialism gives it no right to a monopoly of the Socialistic idea." Benjamin
Tucker, Anarchist, Instead of a Book, pp. 363-4
Murry Bookchin, American, also an Anarchist....
CAPITALISM TRIUMPHANT, SOCIALISM SUBVERSIVE
In an important, well argued and easy to read book, Bookchin forcefully notes the obvious: we have seen the triumph of capital since the 1980s; this
has resulted in increasing working hours, decreasing pay packets, increasing alienation, mass unemployment and poverty, increasing misery, and the
brink of an ecological crisis...
...Yet in a time when capitalism is encroaching upon almost every aspect of life, Bookchin ironically claims that the left today has little
understanding of capitalism. This can be seen in the current "anti-capitalist" movement, which often confuses the ideology of the free market with
capitalism as a whole. To Bookchin, who has been involved in revolutionary leftist politics since the 1930s, the tradition of revolutionary socialism
...Bookchin essentially argues we need to rediscover socialism, that is, libertarian socialism. Anarchists need to also rediscover the socialism in
anarchism. Many of the basic concepts of the leftist anarchist tradition have been lost. For example, many anarchists now view anarchism as a form of
liberalism rather than socialism and completely distrust any talk of class. This means, as Bookchin notes, anarchism is losing its traditional
left-wing core, and thus is fast becoming an unthreatening version of liberalism with a bourgeois emphasis on the freedom of the individual, on
personal autonomy (a notion that suits capitalists just fine). "Anti-statism" isn't enough. Many reactionaries and even corporate bandits are against
state intervention too. In my view, unless socialism is an integral part of anarchism, then anarchism becomes self-indulgence. Anarchists who aren't
socialists might as well just call themselves individualists." (p. 125). So Bookchin claims what is sorely needed is a serious, coherent, organised,
revolutionary anarchist left which is well-versed in anarchist socialist theory...
Before you comment on economic systems, please actually do some research into it.
edit on 1/30/2013 by ANOK because: (no reason given)