Homeopathy is 'rubbish', says chief medical officer

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posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 03:03 AM
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Homeopathic medicine is “rubbish” and is nothing more than a placebo, England’s chief medical officer has claimed.


Professor Dame Sally Davies said she was “perpetually surprised” homeopathy was provided on the NHS, and branded homeopaths “peddlers.” Giving evidence to the Commons Science and Technology committee, she also expressed fears about the prescription of homeopathic remedies to treat malaria and other illnesses.

‘I’m very concerned when homeopathic practitioners try to peddle this way of life to prevent malaria or other infectious disease,” she said.

“I am perpetually surprised that homeopathy is available on the NHS.” Dame Sally, who is England’s most senior doctor, concluded by remarking that homeopathy “is rubbish”.

The Telegraph


A 2010 Science and Technology Committee agreed that Homeopathy was no more effective than a placebo, while a UK Lancet study also came to the conclusion that homeopathy was no more effective than the standard sugar pill given as a placebo in clinical trials.

Of course, the established medical community isn't entirely unbiased in this matter.


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posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 03:07 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
Homeopathic medicine is “rubbish” and is nothing more than a placebo, England’s chief medical officer has claimed.


nothing new there




posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 03:10 AM
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Well it does stand to reason that the established members of society would have this opinion. There are many many regular people who turn to homeopathy and state that it works. I imagine the establishment need to keeps the pharmaceutical money coming in and telling the public that something does not work is a tactic they are willing to try.

Long gone are the days that anything a government spokesperson stated was taken as up front truth. Should people want to engage in homeopathy as a option - so be it - freedom of choice for all!

Much Peace...



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 03:12 AM
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Homeopathic medicine is “rubbish” and is nothing more than a placebo, England’s chief medical officer has claimed.




A placebo huh so he is saying the body can heal itself without any medication... So what do we need his ass for?



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 03:18 AM
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Originally posted by hawkiye
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Homeopathic medicine is “rubbish” and is nothing more than a placebo, England’s chief medical officer has claimed.




A placebo huh so he is saying the body can heal itself without any medication... So what do we need his ass for?


You show ignorance. 10 people get sick. Not all 10 have the same immune system. Some will get well quickly all on their own. Others will die possibly without treatment. I guess as long as 1 gets well who cares about the other 9 though right, because we dont need his ass for anything!



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 03:32 AM
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wait just a minute ... how do you figure this ??

10 people get sick. Not all 10 have the same immune system.
yes, but, all 10 are going to take 'placebos', remember ?

so, according to the study, all of them will have the same outcome as a specific homeopathic treatment

now, not only is that presumptious at best and completely false at worst ... it is completely misleading.


You show ignorance.
gotta love those rhetorical statements



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 03:40 AM
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Originally posted by Honor93
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wait just a minute ... how do you figure this ??

10 people get sick. Not all 10 have the same immune system.
yes, but, all 10 are going to take 'placebos', remember ?

Yes, hence the danger of homeopathic medicine. I am not sure how you do not understand. Homeopathetic remedies work as well as a packet of sugar. So if you have an illness you can recover from naturally, it may APPEAR to work. If you do not, you may simply die.


so, according to the study, all of them will have the same outcome as a specific homeopathic treatment

now, not only is that presumptious at best and completely false at worst ... it is completely misleading.

How is it presumptuous, false, or misleading? We have actual scientific data. Homeopathic medicine works the same as a placebo. That means it has the same healing properties as my magical pocket lint.


You show ignorance.
gotta love those rhetorical statements

How is that a rhetorical statement? Your reply to me shows more ignorance.
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posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 03:53 AM
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i do understand.
homeopathic medicine is NOT dangerous

nor is it comparable to a placebo, regardless what this paid mouthpiece says.

it is all of the above because no 'study' was actually performed.
opinion is hardly a study and where's the source 'evidence' ??

in case you didn't read the OP, there is no 'study' included or a link to one.
it is an OPINION piece, nothing more.

rubber and glue, which are you ?



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 03:54 AM
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Yes, hence the danger of homeopathic medicine. I am not sure how you do not understand. Homeopathetic remedies work as well as a packet of sugar. So if you have an illness you can recover from naturally, it may APPEAR to work. If you do not, you may simply die.


Actually millions of people have been healed using homeopathy whether you believe they actually work or are just a placebo your chances are better with homeopathy then visiting a doctor since they are the 3rd leading cause of death. www.health-care-reform.net...



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 03:59 AM
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Originally posted by Honor93
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i do understand.
homeopathic medicine is NOT dangerous

nor is it comparable to a placebo, regardless what this paid mouthpiece says.

it is all of the above because no 'study' was actually performed.
opinion is hardly a study and where's the source 'evidence' ??

in case you didn't read the OP, there is no 'study' included or a link to one.
it is an OPINION piece, nothing more.

rubber and glue, which are you ?


Seriously, you are delusional. This is an OPINION piece backed up by a STUDY. The study is mentioned in the OP even.
Are the clinical effects of homoeopathy placebo effects? Comparative study of placebo-controlled trials of homoeopathy and allopathy

This finding is compatible with the notion that the clinical effects of homoeopathy are placebo effects.

Here is a news article in case that's easier to read.
Homoeopathy's benefit questioned

A Swiss-UK review of 110 trials found no convincing evidence the treatment worked any better than a placebo.



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 04:01 AM
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Originally posted by hawkiye
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Yes, hence the danger of homeopathic medicine. I am not sure how you do not understand. Homeopathetic remedies work as well as a packet of sugar. So if you have an illness you can recover from naturally, it may APPEAR to work. If you do not, you may simply die.


Actually millions of people have been healed using homeopathy whether you believe they actually work or are just a placebo your chances are better with homeopathy then visiting a doctor since they are the 3rd leading cause of death. www.health-care-reform.net...


Millions have been "healed" by placebos as well. That is to say millions who took both placebos and homeopathic remedies got well, none were actually healed by it. Some home remedies are great for minor things.

Now if you want to bring up 225,000 who die as a result of seeking medical treatment, you need to tell me how many are saved as well. I'll wait for you to look it up and feel embarassed.
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posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 04:12 AM
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Seriously, you are delusional. This is an OPINION piece backed up by a STUDY. The study is mentioned in the OP even.
Are the clinical effects of homoeopathy placebo effects? Comparative study of placebo-controlled trials of homoeopathy and allopathy
This finding is compatible with the notion that the clinical effects of homoeopathy are placebo effects.



This article is a joke there are no sources and if you click on the names of the panel at the top who suppsedly did the study it just links to the same article. it doesn't even list the data bases it claims it found all the trials in that is studied and it reads like a hit piece. Are we just supposed to take it word for it? ironically it claims it studied trials of homeopathy that show it does work. What trials are those? Who commissioned the study and why who paid for it etc. etc?



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 04:16 AM
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Originally posted by hawkiye
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Seriously, you are delusional. This is an OPINION piece backed up by a STUDY. The study is mentioned in the OP even.
Are the clinical effects of homoeopathy placebo effects? Comparative study of placebo-controlled trials of homoeopathy and allopathy
This finding is compatible with the notion that the clinical effects of homoeopathy are placebo effects.



This article is a joke there are no sources and if you click on the names of the panel at the top who suppsedly did the study it just links to the same article. it doesn't even list the data bases it claims it found all the trials in that is studied and it reads like a hit piece. Are we just supposed to take it word for it? ironically it claims it studied trials of homeopathy that show it does work. What trials are those? Who commissioned the study and why who paid for it etc. etc?



You have obviously never done any research work whatsoever. That is the summary. You will need access to a network that provides scientific journals/studies if you wish to see the full study. If you wish to blindly follow something do it, you are making yourself look like a fool though. They looked at over 100 trials.

ETA: Just an FYI, The Lancet is probably in the top 5 most reputable medical journals in the world. Feel free to look at their peer review process, it's of the highest standard.
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posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 04:26 AM
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Now if you want to bring up 225,000 who die as a result of seeking medical treatment, you need to tell me how many are saved as well. I'll wait for you to look it up and feel embarassed.



There is no need to look it up it is subjective there is no way to tell if they were healed by a placebo effect anymore then homeopathy The fact that doctors are the 3rd leading cause of death and homeopathy is not even on the radar is all we need to know.

Most allopathic medicine does not heal period it just masks symptoms and more often then not causes more harm then good. Just watch late night TV and listen to the endless parade of commercials for law suites for all the harm they cause. Even the ads for new drugs spend more time listing the side effects then how the drug is supposed to help the supposed cure is worse then the illness...

Homeopathy like anything we put in the body is a form of energy that is communicating something. Anything you eat is communicating to the body to react in some way good or bad as are drugs and even sugar. However the mind is the most pervasive communicator to the body and is doing so 24/7 mostly subconsciously. The same power that created and animates the body can heal it also. Homeopathy is just another way to communicate with the body in a specific manner.

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posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 04:30 AM
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I have used homeopathic DHEA for about six yrs now and no one can tell me it does'nt work. it just does. I've given it to people to try who had no idea that it is a precursor for testosterone and they got the same effect out of it that I do. So for me its wrapped up, I'm just waiting for science to understand how it does work not if it does.



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 04:32 AM
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Originally posted by hawkiye
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Now if you want to bring up 225,000 who die as a result of seeking medical treatment, you need to tell me how many are saved as well. I'll wait for you to look it up and feel embarassed.



There is no need to look it up it is subjective there is no way to tell if they were healed by a placebo effect anymore then homeopathy That fact the doctors are the 3rd leading cause of death and homeopathy is not even on the radar is all we need to know.

Most allopathic medicine does not heal period it just masks symptoms and more often then not causes more harm then good. Just watch late night TV and listen to the endless parade of commercials for law suites for all the harm they cause. Even the ads for new drugs spend more time listing the side effects then how the drug is supposed to help the supposed cure is worse then the illness...

Homeopathy like anything we put in the body is a form of energy that is communicating something. Anything you eat is communicating to the body to react in some way good or bad as are drugs and even sugar. However the mind is the most pervasive communicator to the body and is doing so 24/7 mostly subconsciously. The same power that created and animates the body can heal it also. Homeopathy is just another way to communicate with the body in a specific manner.


You are completely invested in your delusion. We have actual scientific data which you ignore because you do not like what it says. That means our discussion is over, as it is not possible to have a rational discussion with an irrational zealot.



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 04:32 AM
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You have obviously never done any research work whatsoever. That is the summary. You will need access to a network that provides scientific journals/studies if you wish to see the full study. If you wish to blindly follow something do it, you are making yourself look like a fool though. They looked at over 100 trials.



So you pretend to know what I have done... Sigh!
The summary doesn't say its a summery and doesn't even list the abstract or journals etc. like a said NO SOURCES!

And gee how convenient the academic cultists don't publish their journals on line for the pubic to see unless you are in their club... Sigh again.

And I don't "believe" anything I draw conclusions based on verifiable facts and evidence along with real world experience not cult worship of some supposed authority figures who can't even source their claims...




You are completely invested in your delusion. We have actual scientific data which you ignore because you do not like what it says. That means our discussion is over, as it is not possible to have a rational discussion with an irrational zealot.


The only delusions here are yours. As I said there is no verifiable data in your article just opinions. You think way to highly of yourself that we are just supposed to take your word for it along with that joke of an article. Of course the conversation is over when your argument got destroyed fairly easy...
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posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 04:38 AM
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Originally posted by hawkiye So you pretend to know what I have done... Sigh!
The summary doesn't say its a summery and doesn't even list the abstract or journals etc. like a said NO SOURCES!

And gee how convenient the academic cultists don't publish their journals on line for the pubic to see unless you are in their club... Sigh again.

And I don't "believe" anything I draw conclusions based on verifiable facts and evidence along with real world experience not cult worship of some supposed authority figures who can't even source their claims...


I really do not know how to respond .....
Are the clinical effects of homoeopathy placebo effects? Comparative study of placebo-controlled trials of homoeopathy and allopathy
The Lancet, Volume 366, Issue 9487, Pages 726 - 732, 27 August 2005
Summary

How do you miss the word SUMMARY in big red letters?

That link is to the Abstract. I just listed exactly what Journal the study is in.
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posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 04:41 AM
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Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by hawkiye So you pretend to know what I have done... Sigh!
The summary doesn't say its a summery and doesn't even list the abstract or journals etc. like a said NO SOURCES!

And gee how convenient the academic cultists don't publish their journals on line for the pubic to see unless you are in their club... Sigh again.

And I don't "believe" anything I draw conclusions based on verifiable facts and evidence along with real world experience not cult worship of some supposed authority figures who can't even source their claims...


I really do not know how to respond .....
www.thelancet.com...(05)67177-2/abstract
The Lancet, Volume 366, Issue 9487, Pages 726 - 732, 27 August 2005
Summary

How do you miss the word SUMMARY in big red letters?


And still no verifiable sources! The link simply links to the same article with no way of verifying anything in the article... It worthless yet you are here acting all smug that we are not taking your word for it...Sigh

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posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 04:44 AM
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Originally posted by hawkiye

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by hawkiye So you pretend to know what I have done... Sigh!
The summary doesn't say its a summery and doesn't even list the abstract or journals etc. like a said NO SOURCES!

And gee how convenient the academic cultists don't publish their journals on line for the pubic to see unless you are in their club... Sigh again.

And I don't "believe" anything I draw conclusions based on verifiable facts and evidence along with real world experience not cult worship of some supposed authority figures who can't even source their claims...


I really do not know how to respond .....
Are the clinical effects of homoeopathy placebo effects? Comparative study of placebo-controlled trials of homoeopathy and allopathy
The Lancet, Volume 366, Issue 9487, Pages 726 - 732, 27 August 2005
Summary

How do you miss the word SUMMARY in big red letters?


And still no verifiable sources!


OMG the journal IS the source. That IS source material .... I really am speechless. Don't act like you have the first clue about research if you think giving you a MEDICAL JOURNAL is not providing a source. I have almost limitless patience and you are quickly exhausting it. I work with psychotic patients all day long and never lose my patience at all, ever. Congratulations.





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