Oxford sued for wealth discrimination: Applicant can't afford 'luxury lifestyle'

reply to post by MysticPearl


That is why I am waiting to see what the economy does before I take out student loans. Sad to say, I might be waiting a while to go to college if I can't get it paid for with grants.

Originally posted by MysticPearl

Originally posted by capone1

Originally posted by Heisenberg59
Who cares? It's all a scam anyway to get you into to debt before you even have a job to pay it back. Even more so now with college grads ending up working at walmart. Be your own man and stop thinking that playing by the rules is going to get you ahead in life.

Sheep need direction thus why the scam is so successful.

High school drop outs: $18,734
High school graduates: $27,915
College grads (with a bachelor’s degree): $51,206
Advanced degree holders: $74,602

howtoedu.org...



Non-degree holders could expect a lifetime average of $1.2 million, while those with a bachelor's degree could expect to earn $2.1 million, or nearly double (www.eric.ed.gov).

That is accurate, but also based on a different economy than we currently have. In the current economy with an increasing number of college graduates moving back home because there isn't any work related to their degree available, or because they took any: job they could with an increasing number only making $10-12 per hour, those numbers are changing and will continue to change, and not for the better.

Simply posting those numbers is a quite a shallow and elementary way to look at this problem. Doesn't even take into account the price of tuition increasing through the roof while the numbers of jobs available to graduates continue to get slashed.

All I know as a 27 year old, is that all my friends with a decent/nice house, a nice car, and enough $ for activities and that such, have degrees. 90% of the people I know in my age group without degrees, are living in less than inspiring conditions.
“Shallow and elementary" to post factual numbers? Hmmm. The “current economy" is just that, current. In the end -- the benefits of having a degree outweigh the negatives.

Originally posted by NarrowGate
reply to post by MysticPearl

 

That is why I am waiting to see what the economy does before I take out student loans. Sad to say, I might be waiting a while to go to college if I can't get it paid for with grants.

Don't wait. Full financial aid at an average state college is available to nearly anyone. Obviously there is debt involved, but a job paying twice the salary you would get otherwise allows you to pay off the debts over years, while still increasing your net worth and assets.

I wouldn't go to that school even if they paid me and guaranteed me any degree I could ask for. I hate pseudo-elitism and all the parasites it breeds. World leaders usually come out of harvard, yale, columbia, oxford and cambridge.

Yale with "skull and bones" is the best example.

Then they attend "common purpose" and enroll in masonry.

Anyone with real life experience and at least half a brain can figure it own on there own.

Best to earn a living even if it is a meager one. Vocational school is not bad. Learn a trade and be your own boss.

At least in socialist countries education is paid by tax payers and the really deserving attend. Just because you are rich should not entitle you a ticket to heaven as it does in the usa and other capitalist nations.

Originally posted by capone1
That's a nice utopian thought, but for the good majority that's not how America works.

Funny, that's how America used to work. Before we were slaves you know? But I guess it's just a utopian thought to think of actually being free again.

I took this free online course...Harvard....I did not get credit but it wowed me. I learned so much. I got jealous of the kids that got that sort of education. I was really smart as a kid but kinda poor, long ago. My parents were uneducated. No one even knew how I should go about going. Mom dropped me off with a blank check, she was scared to go in.

I went to college but it was not fast and challenging and so current like that.

Through the course though the professor would announce lunch with venture capitalists. Nearly every week they were all invited.

I was sad. I was smart, pretty high IQ. I never knew education like that existed. There was just SO MUCH respect for the students. Where I went-public university system-it was more like the professors wanted the students to respect them...like students were children, most likely bad ones.

So that was a real education too. It was Harvard CS50. Awesome class, really filled in some gaps for me. In a lot of ways.

reply to post by paraphi


he is 26 years old? = Mature aged student?

something doesn't sound right with this one.

I have heard of people gaining scholarships at Havard so and a lot of them are not wealthy.

Oxford=Private University. They can approve or deny anyone they wish (or should be able to if thing operated the way they should in a country supposedly of freedom). No conspiracy here, just a private university with specific qualifications that must be met above and beyond the average and a wannabe student with an axe to grind.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
Oxford=Private University. They can approve or deny anyone they wish (or should be able to if thing operated the way they should in a country supposedly of freedom). No conspiracy here, just a private university with specific qualifications that must be met above and beyond the average and a wannabe student with an axe to grind.

They can be private all they want but they still accept government money. And seeing how they take that money they still have to follow federal guidelines concerning discrimination. If they don't want to follow them they can always give back the money along with canceling all research grants that the government hands out. Let's see how fast this overpriced babysitting service does these things.

reply to post by Agarta


If this works, I'm suing Rolls Royce, Gulfstream, and whatever insurance company has the gall to tell me it'll cost more than $100/month to ensure my car and jet. My guess is this piece of (poo) wants to get attention in the hopes that someone(s) will end up donating her money to pay her tuition. At which point, she will proceed to attend Oxford for almost a full semester before flunking out.

GOOD LUCK

I don't know of any of my friends school or mine included that didn't have some similar program. For mine you had to spend one year on campus and get the food program for at least one year, total cost 26k just for room and food, and couldn't even have a car as a freshman. Still had to buy books and classes on top of that.

Not to mention how many people get accepted to great colleges and universities and can't go just because they can't even afford the books let alone a year on campus.

Could they allow this one person to just get by or maybe even work on campus as some do, sure, but then this type would go brag they let him get around the system and 50 thousand other kids want the same or they scream discrimination. I hope they accept him, then fail him for no other reason than He is a $%^&head.

forgot to add, if he was so damn good and gifted in his quest for knowledge, where are all his scholarships.

reply to post by burdman30ott6


Whilst I agree with your point, they can deny/grant access to whoever they want, it must be mentioned that Oxford ISN'T private.

Oxford is a public funded university.

And for the record being able to pay your tuition is a perfectly acceptable prerequisite!

If he or she can't afford a glass of wine he has no hope in hell of successfully suing Oxford

ALL education should be free. It's all available for the reading and effort necessary at any library or on the internet.

It's not like they saw your skull open and dump the knowledge in, and for those actual vocations that require demonstration and practice along with quality control (surgery comes to mind), THEN you can start charging for it, although the teaching hospitals glommed onto this idea long ago and made slave labor out of their residents, as well as charging them an arm and a leg to 'take courses'.

It's all a vetting process; we're told it shows that you have the lack of a hangover to show up to class every day, write some papers about nonsense that no one ever reads, and can do basic math and perhaps think in a rational manner; in return for tens of thousands of dollars and hours, they give you a piece of paper saying you might possibly be intelligent.

Trouble is what I find when I talk to a 'college graduate' is someone who has been brainwashed about a lot of things and usually so blinkered into studying one tiny spectrum of one specific subject that they know nothing about the world at large. While we may need specialists in all fields, we also need people who can see the big picture, and the big picture is, we're screwed now because of the specialists; y'know, like those people who learned so much about the atom that they found out how to blow it up and then the paranoid warmongers and capitalists got a hold of that knowledge and poisoned the planet.

Maybe Oxford should eliminate the fancy silverware and snowy white linens and tuxedo'ed butlers and offer access to their lectures to people who are happy with peanut butter and jelly sandwiches but who have actually learned to think. What do you learn by being pretentious? We don't need more privileged asses in the world.

Originally posted by signalfire

ALL education should be free. It's all available for the reading and effort necessary at any library or on the internet

So you're willing to FORCE me to teach you for free? You do realise there is no such thing as "free", don't you? EVERYTHING has a cost.

Every economic action has an opportunity cost, time cost, etc etc

Damien Shannon is a personal friend of mine we went to Uni together. We went to one of the lowest entry Universities in the UK namely Salford University. He went on purpose after initially being refused from Oxford, so he could become the best at that Uni in his field and in the internal politics societies etc.

So hes been working for 3 years already to prove his worth to Oxford. He is highly talented and very intelligent. It shouldn't be anything to do with wealth, he has earnt his ticket in my eyes and so it should be granted.

Good luck to the bloke with the court case, Oxford and its dons are well known for their snobbish attitude towards who attends, they should be of a certain 'stock' in their minds, they don't want the chattel to be in the socially elevated's (sic) arena.

reply to post by Agarta


Really Why would someone want to hang out and learn from a bunch of pompas rectum holes anyways
There re better schools out there than OXFORD!!!
I mean come on man look at their football team

Even if he was accepted it wouldn't guarantee him a successful occupation. He may be better off, my life experience proved that to me. First they tell you if you want a career join the military, after 4 tours of war in the middle east they tell you if you want a good career go to college and get educated, you go to college and get a degree but there's no jobs in the area you live in or near with no money to relocate, so they tell you to learn a trade, you go back to school and graduate for welding and fitting along with all the other bells and whistles in basic metallurgy, blueprinting spending hundreds of dollars on getting certified, but still no one wants to hire you cause you are in the paradox either you are over qualified or under experienced and no one wants to hire you if don't have at least 3 years experience yet no one wants to hire you to get experience unless you travel 160 miles a day for 11.25 an hour, and then finally they tell you mcdonalds is always hiring. This person is experiencing the cynical lesson of American life as a youth early on I can't say whether it is right whether it is wrong but will say maybe it will at the least help him make more tactful decisions about what he will do next, it is a rough world to be in these days especially when you are in your 20's with heart break around every which way you go.

Originally posted by capone1

Originally posted by NarrowGate
reply to post by MysticPearl

 

That is why I am waiting to see what the economy does before I take out student loans. Sad to say, I might be waiting a while to go to college if I can't get it paid for with grants.

Don't wait. Full financial aid at an average state college is available to nearly anyone. Obviously there is debt involved, but a job paying twice the salary you would get otherwise allows you to pay off the debts over years, while still increasing your net worth and assets.

And if I don't get a job, I can't provide for my family. I would rather be below the poverty line, and be able to provide, than have so much debt I can not provide.

Also, if one little thing goes wrong, your degree is worthless. There are many things that can and do go wrong, that are not the fault of the ones with the degree.