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Originally posted by jimmiec
reply to post by superman2012
Guns support families. Where i live the freezers are filled every year with deer meat. Guns are tools for most Americans. Big cities? Not so much. We learn gun safety/hunting/safety at a very early age here and we don't have gun crime.
Originally posted by superman2012
I'm going to copy and paste one of my arguments from the thread where this got started.
Your same arguments for the government not being able to farm (as if they need to with the amount of foreign aid they will receive from their allies, yes that's right, you will be labelled terrorists and the US allies will help the government) can also be used against you.
Assuming you make it out of a city to be a countryside farming Rambo, you will need round the clock surveillance and weapons to stop Uncle Sam from taking what they want.
Notwithstanding the cameras hundreds of miles straight up that are and can watch you. Think heat signatures.
How are you going to farm without the necessary equipment? Even if you get the equipment how are you going to keep it running? How much gas/diesel do you really have stored? Do you think you can run down to the local gas station? How are you going to handle a drought? Pesticides? Herbicides? Feed for cattle? Feed for poultry? How are you going to communicate with others when the government takes over all bands on the radio and monitors all frequencies? What happens in the winter? Are you just going to settle where you can live all year round in comfort? You think they don't realize humans freeze in the winter? What about medical emergencies? Diabetes? You have a source of insulin? Can you keep it refrigerated? How many people are going to die in your group within 3 months due to lack of available meds? How are you going to deal with difficult pregnancies? If you are lucky enough to have a physician/EMT/nurse in your group, what happens when they need tools for surgery? What happens if they haven't performed the surgery? What happens if they get wounded/killed? Do you give up then?
When your children are starving in the woods, slowly freezing to death because you think you had things all figured out typing away on your keyboard, remember the people that submitted and are spending time with their families. You may have held to your principles, but, if no one is alive in your group to enjoy it, what did you accomplish?
ps- they will never question what they are fighting for as long as their family is safe, if it were possible I would suggest talking to a Jewish Ghetto Policeman.
Originally posted by MystikMushroom
reply to post by dave_welch
Well, I have to disagree with you there. I see it all the time here. Off-duty military members in uniform demanding discounts at places not known for them. I've seen this a handfull of times.
Also, usually if there is a bar fight -- it's some brash 20 year old bullet sponge fresh off a tour or out of basic with his head all full of words like "duty" and "honor".
The military does a pretty good job at providing a false sense of a middle class life. Meals are provided at the mess, health care is covered, Star Cards (credit card) are issued, clothing (uniforms) are provided, discount gasoline on post, commisary privileges (discounts on food and other items). Then they dump these kids out into the real world with PTSD, a spouse who has left them -- and no idea how to take care of themselves.
The military is the most socialistic institution we have in America! And so many military members I run into hate Obama, hate socialism and liberals. Oh the irony!
I have many friends that are retired military in their 40's and 50's. There is a BIG difference between them and these new hot-headed enlisted guys. Maybe it's age -- but I really feel that the indoctrination level has been ramped up, because the reasons behind these "wars" are complete BS.
They are not "sacrificing to protect our freedom". What are they saving us from? Dirt poor people that have no running water? Really? Do you know how much a plane ticket costs from the Middle East? These people can barley afford to feed themselves, yet we are terrified of them here in the USA.
There is, however, a HUGE divide between enlisted and officers. It's like night and day. Officers tend to be more stable, intelligent, calm, and carry themselvese with more poise.
And yes, they get to play a lot of xBox overseas. You can tell which part of the Middle East they were in by the type of sand their xBox has inside when they trade it in.