Glenn Beck is Planning a $2 Billion Libertarian Commune in Texas

Originally posted by whatsecret
Wow what a joke. Beck is a Libertarian as much as Obama is a Humanitarian. Can somebody please explain to Beck what is libertarianism? Clearly he's very confused.

Beck has always been on the side of Freedom aka Liberty.........BUT you need to know more about the definition of Libertarian: So here please read it and weep --->Definition:

One who believes that the only legitimate purpose of a government is to protect the rights of its citizens.
Anyone who supports civil liberties to a greater-than-average degree.
Anyone who believes in minimal, decentralized government.
When the word "Libertarian" is capitalized, it generally refers to a member of the Libertarian Party.

For purposes of our discussion, we'll focus on the first definition.
Etymology:
The word comes from the French libertaire, meaning "anarchist."
History:
Libertarian philosophy as we know it today has its roots in the classical liberalism of European political philosophers whose writings inspired the post-revolutionary governments of the United States and France during the latter years of the 18th century. The basic tenets of this classical liberalism are very simple:

The legitimate purpose of government is to protect the rights of its citizens.
People have a right to be left alone and live their own lives as long as they do not do so in a way that infringes on others' right to do the same.
Political Orientation:
Because libertarians tend to favor privatization and small government, libertarianism is often thought of as a right-wing movement more in keeping with the Republican Party than the Democratic Party. But changes in the Republican Party over the past 40 years, most notably with respect to social issues such as abortion and gay rights, have essentially marginalized the libertarian movement from both parties. Today it is arguably represented by the Libertarian Party, though the Libertarian Party's own record on civil liberties issues is far from perfect.
Also Known As: classical liberalism, laissez-faire government.

reply to post by Itaska


LOL. He is not a Libertarian.

reply to post by whatsecret


I never watch videos when posed as a foil to an argument...........they are always a sign of adversarial weakness, and I prefer not to argue with a weak opponent.........sorry..........Posting a video made by someone else actually DISPROVES your weak point. Haven't you the wherewithal to make your own assessment of your arguments rather than to resort to the opinions and ideas of another who is your intellectual superior?

Stand up for yourself please and write your own argument !!!!! Don't wimp out (especially to a woman) in the face of adversity -



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reply to post by teslahowitzer


Salient post but the wall of text is off-putting.

Paragraphs will lead to more people reading what you post.

Not being critical - just trying to offer some unsolicited advice.

Cheers.

Originally posted by vkey08

Originally posted by badgerprints
Yup.
Any attempt to remove ones self from the perfect and unassailable American Society must be the mark of insanity.
The desire to have a gold backed currency, an alternative to public schools or an alternative to the perfection of American cities must be the mark of an insane man.
Good thing we've got such erudite models of perfection to fill us in on what's really good for us.
We might have tried to think for ourselves.
The horror.

While that's all well and good, this *IS* Glenn Beck we're talking about.. He hasn't been the most mentally stable of late, I mean heck even Fox dumped him faster than light because he was way off the reservation. If anyone else was going to do this, say Ron Paul (whom I still don't like but) It wouldn't be as big an issue, Beck isout for one thing and one thing only RATINGS...

Being "Off the reservation" vis-a-vis Fox or CNN or any other propaganda .. err, media outlet means absolutely zilch. That's just indicative of deviation from the present ratings agenda.

He does get too emotional and has a tendency to get erratic and outlandish. He's surprisingly similar to a large percentage of the more emotional posters here on ATS.

Before anyone takes offense, that's not not a criticism. It's just an observation.
Left, right, centrist, socialist, communist, anarchist, numismatist or otherwise, there are plenty of extreme thinkers here who would be just as outlandish as Beck has been lately given the media resources he has/had.

Anyway,
I support a fair shot an an alternative to the present cities and social setup that we have today.

There is a small house builder on I-10 near Luling Texas who builds small houses from near total recycled materials. Plumbing and electrical are modern to meet code and they use a spray foam insulation for greater efficiency. Otherwise it's all recycled. Each house is portable by truck and a work of art. Most of the fixtures and windows/doors are from the biggest reclaimed antique store through business arrangement.
I stopped in a few years back and met the owner. He is doing some impressive things and the houses are gorgeous. He's really into the idea of an alternative community where people can build a home themselves and not indebt themselves to the powers that be for 30 years or better on a mortgage.
He told me about a plan he had. It was to provide materials and land to employees and select friends. They could build a small home and live there as long as they wished for free. The only catch was that the home stayed if they left and went to the next occupant who wished to contribute to the project.
He said he'd made that offer a hundred times but nobody ever took him up on it.
It was a good idea but there wasn't enough pre-existing infrastructure for most to consider it.

I know Beck is erratic in his delivery but he will have to hand over actual running of a community to qualified people. He does have some resources and enough visibility to attract interested parties. It would be interesting to follow if it actually happens.

I'd like to see how a community performs when there are no employable people living off of government handouts or community welfare. It might be surprising how well an industrious community can do.
A good example is the Amish. They do very well and are usually buying new farmland.

I'd also like to see how a gold based economy will work within the confines of the US. I know of a local currency called Berkshire Dollars in western Massachusetts. It has been around for a while and a decent percentage of local businesses use it as legal currency. 500 businesses, 13 or 14 banks and many private individuals use this currency and have since 2006.
If the dollar collapsed, these people would still be able to buy and sell within the community.

Anyway,
I guess the point is, look at the goals before giving up on a good idea entirely.

Obama is the president for the second term after adding 6 trillion to the deficit and all of our politicians are self serving money hogs. Half of our country is on some government handout and we are sliding into some weird, mutant form of fascist-socialism. We're more in the hole than we produce in a year and everyone seems to think that we've somehow "saved" America from fiscal responsibility but I still haven't given up on the USA.

I figure waiting to see what Beck gets done before judging is not out of the realm of reason.

Originally posted by teslahowitzer
reply to post by ThichHeaded

 

Here comes the dribble, taken out of contex, adjusted for your listening pleasure, that is not what he said, and he has had both Mr. pauls on his shows lots of times, seriously, I expected better from the hard left, flip flop on what exactly, he has changed his mind on things like everyone else has, and like a lot of people feels the republicans have gotten off course. To some being a constitutional scholar is somewhat a very bad thing, for 230+years was great, It was the basis of all of the freedoms, but now it is not good enough, Barry, who has not even ran a little hot dog stand in his life has a better theology, I see this is the start of more patriots doing the same thing, but enjoy the bashing, just try harder to find a concrete fact in your claims, baseless garbage is for the sheeple, no one will be forced to join, but socialized medicine....

Ya your right, He didn't call them terrorists, he called Ron Paul's campaign a domestic threat.. Same thing eh?

Skip to 6:05 to see what I am talking about..

reply to post by Itaska



I see what the problem is... You probably think I want to argue with you because I care what you think Glenn Beck's beliefs represent. Well first thing is first... I don't...

I never watch videos when posed as a foil to an argument

This is your second mistake because Beck debunks himself in this short video.

Let me put it to you this way... A Libertarian view of a foreign policy is a complete opposite of our foreign policy that he supported for at least past ten years.

Glenn Beck is a Neocon, but perhaps he is like he said "growing Libertarian".

Originally posted by SubSea


The only way conservatives will ever gain back control of any reasonable part of America is when they do that. Move en-mass to the same state or states and leave the "leeches" to leech off each other. Talk about change.

edit on 13-1-2013 by SubSea because: spelling

That would be Texas; that threatens to secede on a regular basis. Becksburg will be in Texas where it belongs.

So if you are not a conservative...you are a "leech" ? You're funny....

Actually it's this type of hyperbole and BS style of thinking that will always keep "conservatism" out of control and looked upon as extremism. Most Americans are pretty much "live and let live" moderate, middle of the road thinking people and not into the conservative ideology or control freak agendas.

I don't think Beck is anything other than an opportunist looking to make more money for his corporations.
www.corporationwiki.com...

And apparently there are plenty of people that are Beck devotees to keep the Beck machine rolling; Beck knows exactly what his targeted demographic wants to hear and he gives it to them. It's a tried and true business model that anyone with even a little marketing experience knows. Look at ATS....Brilliant!!!

So in reality, Beck is just another hippy communist.

Is anyone surprised?

The Mormons already have one. It's called Utah.

Originally posted by whatsecretreply to post by Itaska

 

I see what the problem is... You probably think I want to argue with you because I care what you think Glenn Beck's beliefs represent. Well first thing is first... I don't...

You need to know that for an intellectual to argue is not to fight.............see definition for ARGUMENT......-->
1 : an outward sign : indication
2 a : a reason given in proof or rebuttal
b : discourse intended to persuade
3a : the act or process of arguing : argumentation
b : a coherent series of statements leading from a premise to a conclusion
c : quarrel, disagreement
4: an abstract or summary especially of a literary work
5: the subject matter especially of a literary work
6a : one of the independent variables upon whose value that of a function depends
b : a substantive (as the direct object of a transitive verb) that is required by a predicate in grammar- c : amplitude 4
They made a compelling argument for our participation.
The committee presented strong arguments against building a new school.
a lawyer's closing argument at the trial
His argument did not convince his opponents.
Let us accept, for the sake of argument, that she is right.
Don't you want to hear both sides of the argument?
They were always getting into arguments about politics.
There were many arguments about the new design.
They settled an argument that started in class.
I don't want to hear any arguments about whether you'll go.

reply to post by badgerprints


Thank you, badger, for the info about that builder and BerkShares!

Damn, those things are echoes from the 1960-70's! (E. F. Schumacher and his Small Is Beautiful) Yep, change doesn't happen overnight. Maybe the seeds were merely sewn back then, waiting for a tipping point to set them growing.

Now for the reality. Communes/closed communities don't last long. Ones based on a religion seem to persist.

Beck has ginormous (pipe) dreams. He's a true believer, all right, but I don't see his sizable community of true believers surviving long.

IMO he'd probably want to be mayor. Elected for life.

reply to post by Itaska


Thank you for the vocabulary lesson. Now I know the origin of ARGUMENT

Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin argumentum, from arguere
First Known Use: 14th century

But Glenn Beck is a neocon anyway.

Beck's problem is not emotionalism, or over intellectualism, nor is it Neo-Conism - his real problem is the fact that he loved his wife enough to 'convert' from Catholicism to a satanic cult: Mormonism, which is comparable in every respect, and in every aspect to Scientology. The leadership of the Mormon cult required of him to do it!. Therefore he is in real bind - and in a constant state of upheaval and confusion because of it. One cannot server two masters. He is trapped in a 'contradiction in terms' which is an impossible situation for any thinking man such as Glen Beck surely is. Solution ? Sever all ties to the Mormon cult and ask his wife to do the same.

I remind you here of one Stephen Hawking, an avowed atheist, and possibly a deist at best whose life's mission and goal is to disprove the existence of God through the machinations of bogus mathematics and tricky astrophysics. He was in a similar situation (although less forced) as is Glen Beck. It got to the point where Hawking could no longer tolerate such a duality - such a living hypocrisy - so after much tension in the relationship he finally left his religiously devout (protestant) wife of many years, and it appears that Beck will have to do the same. If he chooses to stay it will be his final undoing. The only hope is that he sees the light - the error of his apostasy, and repatriates himself to the more sane religion of his inheritance - Catholicism, and calls for his wife to convert along with him.

Originally posted by Itaska
Beck's problem is not emotionalism, or over intellectualism, nor is it Neo-Conism - his real problem is the fact that he loved his wife enough to 'convert' from Catholicism to a satanic cult: Mormonism, which is comparable in every respect, and in every aspect to Scientology. The leadership of the Mormon cult required of him to do it!. Therefore he is in real bind - and in a constant state of upheaval and confusion because of it. One cannot server two masters. He is trapped in a 'contradiction in terms' which is an impossible situation for any thinking man such as Glen Beck surely is. Solution ? Sever all ties to the Mormon cult and ask his wife to do the same.

I remind you here of one Stephen Hawking, an avowed atheist, and possibly a deist at best whose life's mission and goal is to disprove the existence of God through the machinations of bogus mathematics and tricky astrophysics. He was in a similar situation (although less forced) as is Glen Beck. It got to the point where Hawking could no longer tolerate such a duality - such a living hypocrisy - so he left his devout wife of many years, and it appears that Beck will have to do the same. If he chooses to stay it will be his final undoing. The only hope is that he sees the light - the error of his apostasy, and repatriates himself to the more sane religion of his inheritance - Catholicism, and calls for his wife to convert along with him.

What are you talking about? He can be a Mormon and a Libertarian at the same time if he wants to. It just so happens that his political views are the same as the neocons political views. And that is why real Libertarians find his latest stunt to be a joke. I can only speak for myself and I am saying if he was anything even close to a Libertarian he can belong to a Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster if he wants. But he is a Mormon neocon, and if he converts from Mormonism to Flying Spaghetti Monsterism he will become a Flying Spaghetti Monster worshiping..... neocon.

Originally posted by JBA2848

This sounds to me like Glenn Beck is trying to create a true Ayn Rand Cult based on Mormonism. It is truly scary to me to think about it. Next he will be moving to South America and then asking people to drink the coolaid because the day has come. It seems like just yesterday he was preaching Obama and the Democrates were going to drag you out into the street and kill you because you are rich. Now he wants to start a cult with 2 billion dollars?

It just makes no sense to me, But I guess I have never been in the cult thing before. But I guess why not try to start a knew religion like Scientology it worked for the fiction writer L Ron Hubbard. Why not the fiction writer Ayn Rand. Besides he will be able to get rich while you give up all your money to him as your leader.

But I guess I just can't see how somebody would be that gullible to follow this guy into a cult?

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I would have to agree, the whole thing sounds a bit creepy. Especially the "coolaid", isn't that the stuff you get at Aldi's or Big Lots? No thank you sir, I'll stick with my genuine arsenic free Kool-Aid.

Originally posted by whatsecret

Originally posted by Itaska
Beck's problem is not emotionalism, or over intellectualism, nor is it Neo-Conism - his real problem is the fact that he loved his wife enough to 'convert' from Catholicism to a satanic cult: Mormonism, which is comparable in every respect, and in every aspect to Scientology. The leadership of the Mormon cult required of him to do it!. Therefore he is in real bind - and in a constant state of upheaval and confusion because of it. One cannot server two masters. He is trapped in a 'contradiction in terms' which is an impossible situation for any thinking man such as Glen Beck surely is. Solution ? Sever all ties to the Mormon cult and ask his wife to do the same.

I remind you here of one Stephen Hawking, an avowed atheist, and possibly a deist at best whose life's mission and goal is to disprove the existence of God through the machinations of bogus mathematics and tricky astrophysics. He was in a similar situation (although less forced) as is Glen Beck. It got to the point where Hawking could no longer tolerate such a duality - such a living hypocrisy - so he left his devout wife of many years, and it appears that Beck will have to do the same. If he chooses to stay it will be his final undoing. The only hope is that he sees the light - the error of his apostasy, and repatriates himself to the more sane religion of his inheritance - Catholicism, and calls for his wife to convert along with him.

What are you talking about? He can be a Mormon and a Libertarian at the same time if he wants to. It just so happens that his political views are the same as the neocons political views. And that is why real Libertarians find his latest stunt to be a joke. I can only speak for myself and I am saying if he was anything even close to a Libertarian he can belong to a Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster if he wants. But he is a Mormon neocon, and if he converts from Mormonism to Flying Spaghetti Monsterism he will become a Flying Spaghetti Monster worshiping..... neocon.

You obviously understood nothing of what was written in my post, OR you are simply denying the truth of what was stated there in order to suit your own agenda and to comply with your bias against Glen Beck.

As regards Mr Beck religion wasn't mentioned in the post made by this OP in the sense that Mormonism is not a religion - it is a CULT. Freedom of religion was never mentioned either, and the same can be said for anyone's political choices or affiliation.

You failed to understand the points that were made in the post. I realize that much of the content was over your head, but you might want to give it another go-round OK? Start by actually reading the post and try to absorb what is meant by terms such as apostasy, cult, and satanism plus the fact that Libertarianism has a spiritual foundation and if one is a member of a satanic cult he will find it impossible to function in obedience to the fundamental premises of Libertarianism - as stated - one cannot serve two masters.

I'm actually all for Glenn's social experiment of his misnamed Libertarian commune. But even Texans take a dim view of cults which imo is what Beck wants to create. I think that perhaps Mr Beck might be more at home in Idaho with these guys.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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You obviously understood nothing of what was written in my post, OR you are simply denying the truth of what was stated there in order to suit your own agenda and to comply with your bias against Glen Beck.

I have no agenda, I'm just saying that Beck is not a Libertarian that's all. He is confusing libertarianism with neoconservatism.

The only hope is that he sees the light - the error of his apostasy, and repatriates himself to the more sane religion of his inheritance - Catholicism, and calls for his wife to convert along with him.

Aren't you saying that he should convert and make his wife - convert - - to - - Catholicism -? Please explain.

con·vert

1 [kuh n-vurt; kon-vurt]
verb (used with object)

1.to change (something) into a different form or properties; transmute; transform.

2.to cause to adopt a different religion, political doctrine, opinion, etc.: to convert the heathen.

3.to turn to another or a particular use or purpose; divert from the original or intended use: They converted the study into a nursery for the baby.

4.to modify (something) so as to serve a different function: to convert an automobile factory to the manufacture of tanks.

5.to obtain an equivalent value for in an exchange or calculation, as money or units of measurement: to convert bank notes into gold; to convert yards into meters.

to

[too; unstressed too, tuh]
preposition

1.(used for expressing motion or direction toward a point, person, place, or thing approached and reached, as opposed to from ): They came to the house.

2.(used for expressing direction or motion or direction toward something) in the direction of; toward: from north to south.
3.(used for expressing limit of movement or extension): He grew to six feet.

4.(used for expressing contact or contiguity) on; against; beside; upon: a right uppercut to the jaw; Apply varnish to the surface.

5.(used for expressing a point of limit in time) before; until: to this day; It is ten minutes to six. We work from nine to five.

Catholicism

Ca·thol·i·cism [kuh-thol-uh-siz-uh m]
noun

1. the faith, system, and practice of the Catholic Church, especially the Roman Catholic Church.

2. ( lowercase ) catholicity.

Origin: 1600–10; Catholic + -ism

Related forms an·ti-Ca·thol·i·cism, noun. pro-Ca·thol·i·cism, noun.

I realize that much of the content was over your head, but you might want to give it another go-round OK?

Please break it down for me.
Thank you, and you are such a Tinkleberry.

reply to post by JBA2848

Libertarian - Commune....that is almost an oxymoron, isnt it?
Maybe GB should call it a Libertarian Enclave instead.