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Originally posted by sacgamer25
The true meaning of the bible has been destroyed by the Christian church, in my opinion.
"Few people in the world today are aware of just how much Satan has infiltrated organized religion... "
"Every major religion in the world has been manufactured or infiltrated by the Illuminati... "
"The Vatican has infiltrated, or neutered and spayed, virtually every denomination and organization in Christendom... "
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Ever watch "I, Pet Goat II"?
HELIO-PHANT
HELIOS- is the SUN god, he is Apollo, the god of LIGHT or LUCIFER
HELIOS PANOPTES- the "ALL SEEING".
PHANT is from the word PHANEIN which means TO SHOW, to REVEAL, MAKE KNOWN something which is SECRET.
This is just another ZEITGEIST Trojan horse (TRUTH seasoned with rat poison)
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Covered with NWO fingerprints...
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Definitely an ILLUMINATI production
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Originally posted by resoe26
But how do you accept Salvation?
What does it mean to be right with God in your eyes?
As we cannot physically see the wind but see the evidences of its presence as it blows by "so is everyone that is born of the Spirit". True believing is an evidence that a person has been born again. A person does not become born again because they believe -- they believe because they have been born again. Our salvation is totally and completely the work of God and a product of His Will, not our own will -- as John 1:13 declared. Faith (believing) is the evidence that God has done a work in your heart. In our own will, we would never choose to seek God as Romans 3:10,11 says,
Salvation always begins with God's action (which we cannot physically see) and always results in our action, as we act upon faith and begin to seek to know and grow in a relationship with the Lord. To say that a person must "accept" Christ in order to be saved is leading people to trust in their own work of accepting and believing. The Bible is very clear that trusting in our own work in any way, can never lead to salvation LINK
“Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.” Jesus
What REALLY happens when a person is born again?
How One Is Saved
Originally posted by resoe26
I'm wondering if learning about occult matters is a bad thing. Not performing them, but learning of them... I enjoy surfacing the mystery and researching...
But my major concerns in researching, always lead me to the occult and religion. ALWAYS.
Wish I could discover the secrets, but they are hidden quite well.
Originally posted by ddaniel
Please read the entirety of this post before replying, ill try to keep it as short as possible. Despite the message, I am not trying to offend anyone.
I was raised in a fundamentalist Christian home. Growing up, my idea of God was shaped around this mindset, and I tried very hard to adhere to the lifestyle my church promoted. I did everything you were 'supposed' to do - quiet times, prayers, etc, but never seemed to feel the 'personal relationship' with Christ I was so often told about.
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In the true spirit of Christ, I wish you all a Merry Christmas.
Originally posted by celticdog
reply to post by FaceLikeTheSun
So Moses gets all pissed off and kills 3000 for what then? If it is not the guy in the sky then what is god where is heaven. Then 10 commandments were part of the mosiac law until Jesus came along so they were relevent.Jesus mentions the commandments and the greatest of these is love. They were not rules to get into heaven but to just live by for the Jews.You didn't explain what the 10 commandments were?
So if they were to be followed to get into heaven then Moses did a bang up job. What about god ordering Abraham to kill his son wouldn't he say wait a minute I am not suppose to kill. Dont tell me he was getting his faith tested that doesnt fly. If you say you are not brainwashed to think the bible is not a holy book then what is it?Why dont believe in the Quran or Torah?The muslims believe the Quran has no errors surely it was inspired by god so it must be true as well. You say the bible contains no errors( others would disagree) and it was written by 40 men then where did these guys get this information since men are imperfect.It would have to come from an outside source a god/goddess.Some entity that is above the earth and where above the earth with the vastness of space is anyones guess.
This is why we have thousands of christian sects the bible is so clear that everyone can get the same message so everyone can get to this so called heaven or paradise or what ever after life. Your interpretation is different than mine and thousands of others. Why dont Jews believe Jesus was the messiah?Maybe he was just among the many guys name Jesus back then. Or maybe it is just a myth that has been repeated over and over again. Mythra,Dionysus,Krishna there are many more
As Jim Jefferies a comedian who summed up the bible in one page Try not to be C**t
Originally posted by ddaniel
I simply could no longer accept the 'blind faith' that is so strongly admired by mainstream Christianity. The more I thought about it, the more Christian 'faith' seemed to be nothing but blind ignorance surrounded by attractive words and emotional music. Faith is inherently a personal thing, so how can adopting the views of others (the Church) equate to being a 'faithful servant of God'? After all, if we all possess the Holy Spirit, isn't the best way to discover God's heart to look within?
How is belief that the Bible (or any other Holy book) is the 'perfect Word of God' anything other than idolatry?
Despite my division with organized religion, I still admire Jesus in a way I cannot express. What's funny is, I never really felt I 'knew' Jesus until I stepped away from the Christian indoctrination I was raised to adhere to. To me, the beautiful thing about Jesus was his message of love. When asked what the greatest commandments were, Jesus replied: love The Lord your God, and love your neighbor as yourself.
But this is all fine. After all, we are helpless until Jesus comes back.
I used to think it was enough for me to follow my own heart and discover my own truth, but I now see this was just me being a coward.
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by FaceLikeTheSun
Although I respect your right to believe what you will...I believe you have it backwards. The burden of proof does not lie with those who doubt your religious beliefs...it lies with those who believe as you do.
You state that it is not Blind Faith and that your belief in Christianity and a GOD who you state is the creator of Life and the Universe as well as this GOD has the right to give life or take it away....but you have absolutely ZERO PROOF to back up your statements and thus is this not Blind Faith after all?
You cannot use the Bible as a source of Proof as the Bible itself cannot be definitively proven. So believe what you will as is your right but I would think that before you state you have proof you should really think about what you label as proof.
Split Infinity
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by FaceLikeTheSun
I see absolutely zero lines of logic in your statement that since we have used our minds to quantify and calculate our Universal Reality then that lends to the assumption that there must be a mind that created it.
First of all we are nowhere even close to understanding our Universe or it's laws. Secondly...just because we exist is not proof that a GOD must exist. This does not mean that a GOD does not exist but it lends no proof or even an association that one does.
In fact...the probability as of now given what we can prove that a GOD exists is lower than the probability that a GOD does not exist. Still since we are part of a Multiversal System...any Infinite System has a 100% Probability that all possibilities must exist. This is of course if we do indeed live in a Multiverse.
At issue is what can or cannot be said is proof or not. As of now there is zero proof that would show the existence of any GOD.
Split Infinity
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by ddaniel
I respect all peoples beliefs as long as those beliefs do not hurt others or are forced upon others. Still...I have a question for you.
Why is it that you believe that people are helpless? Why is it you believe people need the help of a GOD or JESUS to be able to live their lives?
The teachings of Jesus are obvious. These are things that even the most uneducated young child understands...that being...they want to be treated in a way that is good and kind and that it is reasonable to understand that if they treat others that way then those others would most likely be inclined to treat them the same.
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