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Originally posted by Nucleardiver
Originally posted by DaTroof
So they take an oath to defend the Constitution, but cry when there is public support for Constitutionally repealing an amendment?
They don't really understand what the Constitution is, do they?
As an active member of Oathkeepers I take offense to your comment. No one in the Oathkeepers organization is "crying" about anything, we are simply honoring our oaths. Furthermore I have absolutely no friggin idea where you are getting your information but I have seen no mention of anything any remotely suggesting that there is "public support for constitutionally repelling the second amendment".
You are obviously very confused concerning the workings of our Constitution and the process to constitutionally repeal an amendment. First of all Congress and the executive branch pushing for gun control legislation is a very, very long way from a Constitutional repealing of the second amendment. In order for it to be a Constitutional repeal of the second amendment it would take a Constitutional Convention with a super majority vote of the states, not to mention the fact that the whole point of the Bill of Rights is to have a set of protected amendments that cannot be repealed. Would you care to inform me where we have had a call for a Constitutional Convention?
A mear call for tighter gun control legislation by a small majority of the citizens of this great nation does not constitute public support of a repeal of the 2nd.
Perhaps before you go insulting the men and women that have fought and died to secure your right to act like an @$$ you should get your facts straight concerning what it is you are discussing. All of us at Oathkeepers took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic and when we have duly elected representatives that are oath bound to defend and secure the Constitution and the rights of the people trying to pass legislation that directly violates the rights of the people then we will voice our opinions for all to hear.
The mear fact that our Congress and president is trying to infringe upon our God given and constitutionally secured right to bear arms is the pure definition of tyranny and as unconstitutional as it can get. The USSC ruled in Miranda v Arizona in 1964 that the exercising of a constitutionally protected right cannot be criminalize or infringed in any way what so ever. The ruling of the USSC has been repeatedly upheld in both federal and state courts and therefore any attempt by the government to infringe or criminalize by limitation the 2nd amendment will be an unconstitutional actbper Miranda v Arizona.
We are not crying because there is overwhelming public support for a repealing of the second amendment. We are pi$$ed because unlike the trash we have in DC, we take our oaths to heart and honor them everyday.edit on 24-12-2012 by Nucleardiver because: (no reason given)edit on 24-12-2012 by Nucleardiver because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
Originally posted by DaTroof
So they take an oath to defend the Constitution, but cry when there is public support for Constitutionally repealing an amendment?
They don't really understand what the Constitution is, do they?
Actually it is YOU who does not understand the constitution. The first 10 amendments CAN NOT be repealed. That is why they are the bill of rights... that is why they are UNALIENABLE. What you fail to realize is that the Bill of Rights exists whether or not it is on paper. "We hold these truths to be self evident" means exactly that. The founders felt it necessary to write them down, even though they are indeed self evident, just in case a bunch of morons came along and didn't get this very easy to understand concept.
Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
Originally posted by DaTroof
So they take an oath to defend the Constitution, but cry when there is public support for Constitutionally repealing an amendment?
They don't really understand what the Constitution is, do they?
Actually it is YOU who does not understand the constitution. The first 10 amendments CAN NOT be repealed. That is why they are the bill of rights... that is why they are UNALIENABLE. What you fail to realize is that the Bill of Rights exists whether or not it is on paper. "We hold these truths to be self evident" means exactly that. The founders felt it necessary to write them down, even though they are indeed self evident, just in case a bunch of morons came along and didn't get this very easy to understand concept.
The phrase "We hold these truths to be self evident...." actually comes out of The Declaration of Independence not the US Constitution. Re the Bill of Rights...they are a list of individual rights that were written into the Constitution after the fact but nonetheless represent "Amendments" (first ten) and as such they can technically be repealed.
good advice for all commies who support your nonsense.
We own everything that you need to ensure that your sons and daughters have a reason to care about the lives that lay before them. Ruin our nation with this insanity, and you may as well write off everything that matters to you and yours.
boy'o'boy are you confused ... please, study it again.
they are a list of individual rights that were written into the Constitution after the fact but nonetheless represent "Amendments" (first ten) and as such they can technically be repealed.
Originally posted by hawkiye
reply to post by NorEaster
They are not turning on their country they are protecting it from domestic enemies. These guys are veterans and retired and active duty military and police etc.
I have never read a more ignorant post then yours.
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by NorEaster
good advice for all commies who support your nonsense.
We own everything that you need to ensure that your sons and daughters have a reason to care about the lives that lay before them. Ruin our nation with this insanity, and you may as well write off everything that matters to you and yours.
America belongs to the Americans who are willing to fight for her ... thankfully, that won't be you or any other who share your sentiments.
Originally posted by MidnightTide
reply to post by NorEaster
Typical liberal logic at work, so lets break it down for you:
You imply that any revolution against the government is wrong but later on talk about manipulation of that very government. I guess everything is peachy when you agree with that manipulated government. You are also assume that the overwhelming majority are for a assault rifle ban.
You talk about people who are reading this thread, and many like it becoming destabilized and doing something rash. Well, perhaps - but in all honestly they could snap from anything, there is no protecting us from that.
But the scariest thing I get from your post is your willingness to "get rid of people with a certain mindset" (or try to imply that anyone who disagrees is a domestic terrorist)
Originally posted by MidnightTide
reply to post by NorEaster
Typical liberal logic at work, so lets break it down for you:
You imply that any revolution against the government is wrong but later on talk about manipulation of that very government. I guess everything is peachy when you agree with that manipulated government. You are also assume that the overwhelming majority are for a assault rifle ban.
You talk about people who are reading this thread, and many like it becoming destabilized and doing something rash. Well, perhaps - but in all honestly they could snap from anything, there is no protecting us from that.
But the scariest thing I get from your post is your willingness to "get rid of people with a certain mindset" (or try to imply that anyone who disagrees is a domestic terrorist)
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by NorEaster
You speak from a position of comfort. The current government ideology matches your own, therefore, why bother trying to change the draconian rule that you adhere to?
It's for those that don't share your ideals of massive government rule and control that the Oath Keepers attract.
But keep speaking the party line. I find it amusing to see so many decry the thoughts of personal responsibility, individuality, and freedom.
Originally posted by NorEaster
I endured 8 years of false-flag terror and media manipulation during the Bush years without losing it.
I watched highly respected professional people lose their careers over questioning the 9/11 official conspiracy theory. I watched science and reason become ridiculed in government and the media. I watched the NSA establish an entire digital spy network (SpyGate) and I watched the Executive Branch admit to human rights abuses that were okayed by their own handpicked team of lawyers - and watched them get away with it when we finally kicked them out of power. And, I never considered taking up arms against my own nation over any of it.
You people live in a delusion of self-aggrandizement that borders on psychopathy. Nothing I say will affect that, but hopefully I reached an lurker or two. Have a happy holiday season. Let's hope for a less violent year ahead for each other.
Originally posted by DaTroof
So they take an oath to defend the Constitution, but cry when there is public support for Constitutionally repealing an amendment?
They don't really understand what the Constitution is, do they?
Originally posted by DaTroof
Originally posted by LewsTherinThelamon
Originally posted by DaTroof
So they take an oath to defend the Constitution, but cry when there is public support for Constitutionally repealing an amendment?
They don't really understand what the Constitution is, do they?
It is irrelevant if there is "public support to repeal the 2nd amendment." This fallacy that "we are a democracy" is ridiculous. Some things cannot be voted on in our republic, our natural born rights happen to be one of those things.
I never said we live in a democracy.
Natural born rights, except for y'know... letting blacks be considered citizens or allowing women to vote. Oh, those natural born rights weren't in the OG Constitution? The Constitution is a living document, and susceptible to alteration. It's time to get rid of guns.