Originally posted by randyvs
Originally posted by Sphota
They were a mound building civilization on the Mississippi, wouldn't be a stretch that they were in Georgia. Unfortunately, because most American
Pré-Colombian civilizations had no written records or permanent structures, so it's hard to know where specific civilizations started out before
reaching their "final destinations" upon European arrival.
We know, for example, that the Mexica (the Aztecs) had mythology of their people coming from the North before settling in the Central Valley of
Mexico. We can infer some basis of truth to this as the majority of languages related to Nahuatl, the language of the Aztecs, exist in Northern
Mexico, Arizona and Utah.
We also know that not long before the arrival of the Spanish to the Southwest, the Navajo had arrived from Alaska and Yukon Territory.
What we don't know is how long it took them to get there and what fomented the move.
It wouldn't surprise me if a sophisticated civilization started on the Mississippi and died out due to some cataclysm. Maybe the arrival of the
Vikings started the true spread of Eurasian disease epidemics and Columbus and friends gave a final blow.
Some profound thinking going on here to be sure. So instead of the Maya coming up from the south. You think this could be proof of the opposite ? I
think that is a very interesting view. My compliments.
edit on 21-12-2012 by randyvs because: (no reason given)
Could be...I figure you gotta start somewhere, meaning that mound building is considered to be an archaeological antecedent of larger terraced and
pyramid like structures. I think that Mississippian cultures abandoned their sites much later than the great Mayan sites were built. However, I think
it is plausible that earlier environmental contexts dictated behaviors that then morphed into other concepts, talking on a behavior and cultur of
when the Europeans arrived, most tribes of the Americas had not "settled down" so to speak. Remember that Europeans started as various horsemen
nomads in central asia, with different tribes separating and rejoining, separating and rejoining. some of the earliest tribes to "settle down" are
known to us as the Greeks and Romans. and even as the Greeks and Romans were building their societies, many tribes, such as Germanic and Slavic tribes
were still shifting here and there, pushing each other in every which way.
I think it's a shame that the Americas didnt have another millennia of time to themselves to create novel cultures...
...An Aztec empire with Maya suzerainties (not unlike the relationship between the Romans and the Greeks) and provinces stretching into Central
America and up into Texas, the American Southwest and perhaps Pacific Northwest to the north. They would develop and hone the mathematical traditions,
the calendar keeping their writing system, etc, spreading these concepts to every corner of their influence. As all empires do, it would collapse
eventually, leaving behind little mixes of its culture and language, just like Rome. And perhaps a written script, based on Mayan, but more abstract,
like modern Chinese writing, would become the norm of the continent.
They would have had trading traditions with Incan and Amazonian Kingdowns, perhaps further domestication of llamas and alpacas, would have lead to
there transition to the northern Aztec empire, diffusing them throughout the continent.
...meanwhile, in the Midwest and along the shores of the Greatlakes, Plains Indians like the Blackfoot and Sioux continued an elaborate nomadic
tradition, getting access to the llamas and riding them to hunt buffalo. They would be this continent's version of the Scythians...maybe the Turks
and Mongols...who rode and still ride around the great plains of Asia and the shores of Asia's great Glacial Lakes, lakes Baikal and Balkash. Further
to the east, the Iriquois continue their experiments in democracy and evolve a nuanced culture, with a writing system of their own, perhaps based on
limited exposure to Mayan writing...
Who knows...arrested development with few clues and fewer testimonies, it's hard to say exactly how far along some of the Native Americans had come
...or what interesting societies they were transforming into.